Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said: Pretty stupid idea the SNP have had suggesting we use the currency of a sinking ship with no say in how it runs I think there will be a LOT of discussion before anything is agreed/decided. Typical Britnat to think that the SNP will be in charge of an independent Scotland when it happens. Edited June 14, 2018 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: I think there will be a LOT of discussion before anything is agreed/decided. Typical Britnat to think that the SNP will be in charge of an independent Scotland when it happens. Who else will it be? The Greens?! If the SNP ever do manage to hoodwink their way to getting a 50%+1 win, no way should they be able to relinquish control when the going gets tough (which it will). Sturgeon would be less popular than Thatcher and is already getting there with the majority of Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said: Who else will it be? The Greens?! If the SNP ever do manage to hoodwink their way to getting a 50%+1 win, no way should they be able to relinquish control when the going gets tough (which it will). Sturgeon would be less popular than Thatcher and is already getting there with the majority of Scotland. Well let me see... Could it be an new 'SNP' type splinter splinter party with slightly more/less left leaning views? Perhaps a resurgent Labour party that folk could get right behind once they get the Westminster HQ party shackles taken off? A more 'Back to its roots' type Labour Maybe the Greens or the Socialists or perhaps the new LibDems? Or (if I whisper it), a new Scottish Conservative party (with the small 'c' I keep hearing about) might get their shit together & actually listen to the people. OR Maybe a coalition with a broad range of views all working in harmony together for a positive future? Nothing says IT MUST BE THE SNP. A lot of people vote for them now as they are the driving vehicle behind the Independence movement but NOT because they are their party that they would vote for once independence has been achieved. My point is: WE WILL DECIDE EDIT: You say Thatcher was unpopular unyet you still bat for her team??? I dont get that. Edited June 14, 2018 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said: Who else will it be? The Greens?! If the SNP ever do manage to hoodwink their way to getting a 50%+1 win, no way should they be able to relinquish control when the going gets tough (which it will). Sturgeon would be less popular than Thatcher and is already getting there with the majority of Scotland. I am 99.9% sure there would be a GE in Scotland after 3-6 months post-referendum win. I take from this statement that you would be voting SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Amazing then that the SNP MP's all knew that The Speaker would act that way then when he shouldn't. They all must have crystal balls. Do you now realise how silly you sound? You must be the only one who believes it wasn't a co-ordinated walk out. Stage managed to ensure Blackford was told to go...…..why did he refuse to sit down when ordered to do so by the Speaker, answer is he knew what the speaker would do next. There was no discussion from the other SNP MP's about what to do when Blackford was told to go because they all knew what their orders were from SNP Central ( ie the Murrells ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: I think there will be a LOT of discussion before anything is agreed/decided. Typical Britnat to think that the SNP will be in charge of an independent Scotland when it happens. The SNP hierarchy are power crazy, which is why they have centralised as much power as they can in Holyrood. If ever there is independence it will be Nicola for President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, jambo lodge said: The SNP hierarchy are power crazy, which is why they have centralised as much power as they can in Holyrood. If ever there is independence it will be Nicola for President. Will you be playing the flute that day Lodgie??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: You must be the only one who believes it wasn't a co-ordinated walk out. Stage managed to ensure Blackford was told to go...…..why did he refuse to sit down when ordered to do so by the Speaker, answer is he knew what the speaker would do next. There was no discussion from the other SNP MP's about what to do when Blackford was told to go because they all knew what their orders were from SNP Central ( ie the Murrells ) I'm fairly sure they had discussed what would happen in both scenarios, shame The Speaker doesn't know the protocols though, being his only job you know. How do you know "the Murrells" planned this? Or you just making up bollocks again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Well let me see... Could it be an new 'SNP' type splinter splinter party with slightly more/less left leaning views? Perhaps a resurgent Labour party that folk could get right behind once they get the Westminster HQ party shackles taken off? A more 'Back to its roots' type Labour Maybe the Greens or the Socialists or perhaps the new LibDems? Or (if I whisper it), a new Scottish Conservative party (with the small 'c' I keep hearing about) might get their shit together & actually listen to the people. OR Maybe a coalition with a broad range of views all working in harmony together for a positive future? Nothing says IT MUST BE THE SNP. A lot of people vote for them now as they are the driving vehicle behind the Independence movement but NOT because they are their party that they would vote for once independence has been achieved. My point is: WE WILL DECIDE EDIT: You say Thatcher was unpopular unyet you still bat for her team??? I dont get that. SNP once wanted to side with the Nazis instead of be united with the UK. That is worse than anything Thatcher ever did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: Will you be playing the flute that day Lodgie??? I said " if ", thankfully the silent majority in Scotland will never let that day happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said: I'm fairly sure they had discussed what would happen in both scenarios, shame The Speaker doesn't know the protocols though, being his only job you know. How do you know "the Murrells" planned this? Or you just making up bollocks again? Because Mrs Murrell was out very quick with her faux outrage tweet about the walkout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Has Space Mackerel told us why his "real life" pals don't want to talk to him about politics yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: Because Mrs Murrell was out very quick with her faux outrage tweet about the walkout. You mean the email that was sent out around 3 hours later? Are you getting your views off The Hootman's comments section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said: SNP once wanted to side with the Nazis instead of be united with the UK. That is worse than anything Thatcher ever did Quite a few Tories did at the time too! Not to mention the Royals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Boris said: Quite a few Tories did at the time too! Not to mention the Royals... Nothing to see here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1933. Don't think they would have really realised what the Nazi party were all about then and certainly wouldn't have guessed what they were planning. Unlike the SNP who tried to side with them during the actual war, whilst they were gassing millions. But FREEDUM at any cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said: SNP once wanted to side with the Nazis instead of be united with the UK. That is worse than anything Thatcher ever did That may well be true but you do know that WW2 ended in 1945 (73 years ago). Should we continue to bomb Germany???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Well let me see... Could it be an new 'SNP' type splinter splinter party with slightly more/less left leaning views? Perhaps a resurgent Labour party that folk could get right behind once they get the Westminster HQ party shackles taken off? A more 'Back to its roots' type Labour Maybe the Greens or the Socialists or perhaps the new LibDems? Or (if I whisper it), a new Scottish Conservative party (with the small 'c' I keep hearing about) might get their shit together & actually listen to the people. OR Maybe a coalition with a broad range of views all working in harmony together for a positive future? Nothing says IT MUST BE THE SNP. A lot of people vote for them now as they are the driving vehicle behind the Independence movement but NOT because they are their party that they would vote for once independence has been achieved. My point is: WE WILL DECIDE EDIT: You say Thatcher was unpopular unyet you still bat for her team??? I dont get that. My concern would be that Indy would bring the same hopeless people having greater power (all parties) i dont see any new forward thinkers emerging from the shadows . You could say that Indy would encourage more to get involved but i have my doubts whether any would be decent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: 1933. Don't think they would have really realised what the Nazi party were all about then and certainly wouldn't have guessed what they were planning. Unlike the SNP who tried to side with them during the actual war, whilst they were gassing millions. But FREEDUM at any cost. They were another Nationalist party, let's not forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Geoff the Mince said: My concern would be that Indy would bring the same hopeless people having greater power (all parties) i dont see any new forward thinkers emerging from the shadows . You could say that Indy would encourage more to get involved but i have my doubts whether any would be decent . Happy to carry on with Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Geoff the Mince said: My concern would be that Indy would bring the same hopeless people having greater power (all parties) i dont see any new forward thinkers emerging from the shadows . You could say that Indy would encourage more to get involved but i have my doubts whether any would be decent . Fair point Geoff but I do think it would encourage more folk to get involved. Look at what awaits any aspiring politician today if they make it to Westminster (of any colour other than the tories), archaic rules and bullying tactics that mean you dont get heard and you cant represent. Its a waste of time unless you just want all the trappings that being an MP brings. It would be a chance to actually make a difference. I think that in itself is attractive to would be future leaders. Edited June 14, 2018 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Phil Dunphy said: They were another Nationalist party, let's not forget. You do know that we allow women to vote and Gay's to legally marry nowadays eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 31 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: 1933. Don't think they would have really realised what the Nazi party were all about then and certainly wouldn't have guessed what they were planning. Unlike the SNP who tried to side with them during the actual war, whilst they were gassing millions. But FREEDUM at any cost. The Royal family were just guessing what Nazism was now. What was their surname prior to circa 1917? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said: Maybe you forgot clearly others haven't as one of your past Labour heroes hasn't. He maybe understands yesterdays walkout more than you. h ttps://twitter.com/MalcolmChishol1/status/1007141958043754496 Also. if you think there is no "cross-party, across sections of society" as you claim then you haven't a single solitary clue what the Yes movement is all about. Where's its vehicle? Where's your SCC? Indy is still shackled to the whims if the SNP. See Harvie yesterday on the Growth Commission debate - not in my name type stuff from the Greens. Fwiw - Chisholm is 100% right. My point isn't what Labour should be saying now. My point to you is the walk out then did nothing to advance the devolution cause. Nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Fair point Geoff but I do think it would encourage more folk to get involved. Look at what awaits any aspiring politician today if they make it to Westminster (of any colour other than the tories), archaic rules and bullying tactics that mean you dont get heard and you cant represent. Its a waste of time unless you just want all the trappings that being an MP brings. It would be a chance to actually make a difference. I think that in itself is attractive to would be future leaders. Whereas Holyrood offers 5 minute speeches, strict whipping with no backbench freedom and a 3 day working week. Both systems are not fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, JamboX2 said: Whereas Holyrood offers 5 minute speeches, strict whipping with no backbench freedom and a 3 day working week. Both systems are not fit for purpose. Dont disagree. Change usually means not doing the same thing though doesn't it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: You do know that we allow women to vote and Gay's to legally marry nowadays eh? Are you saying the Nazi Party wasn't a Nationalist party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: The Royal family were just guessing what Nazism was now. What was their surname prior to circa 1917? So that makes the SNP's Nazi links ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: Are you saying the Nazi Party wasn't a Nationalist party? Yes it started that way but got perverted along the way. Are ISIS a religious group? My point is that society and political parties attitudes have changed somewhat from 1940's. Are you suggesting we should bring Cromwell's descendants to court over war crimes??? Edited June 14, 2018 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Dont disagree. Change usually means not doing the same thing though doesn't it??? What are you changing except a border? The growth commission wants us to keep our economy tight with the UK and the pound. So no currency control and tight spending controls with behind inflation rises in spending... so not much economic change. Holyrood is as closed minded to real change and widening democracy as Westminster. Centralising ministers and no real opening up. See the FOI debacles of late as well. Yes you may change something. A new border and a new nation. But there - to me - is little being offered beyond that. Scottish independence will be Brexit all over again. A faff for little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Yes it started that way but got perverted along the way. Are ISIS a religious group? My point is that society and political parties attitudes have changed somewhat from 1940's. Are you suggesting we should bring Cromwell's descendants to court over war crimes??? I've no idea where you think I'd suggested that. At what point do you think Hitler allowed his Nationalist party to be "perverted" then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Was yesterday's stunt by the SNP MP's a deliberate attempt to bury bad news about how the Scottish Government has been blocking Freedom of Information requests. The Herald suggest that Ministers are running a twin track approach delaying or stopping requests from journalists likely to cause embarrassment to the government whilst releasing information to those who happen to be onside. The control freakery of the Murrells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, JamboX2 said: What are you changing except a border? The growth commission wants us to keep our economy tight with the UK and the pound. So no currency control and tight spending controls with behind inflation rises in spending... so not much economic change. Holyrood is as closed minded to real change and widening democracy as Westminster. Centralising ministers and no real opening up. See the FOI debacles of late as well. Yes you may change something. A new border and a new nation. But there - to me - is little being offered beyond that. Scottish independence will be Brexit all over again. A faff for little. You dont see it because you dont want to. You are comparing now with well...now. We currently only run around 30% of our own country. Running 100% would mean a lot more departments and a lot more people working a lot more than 3 days a week. The 'growth commission is a discussion document NOT a policy document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) Just now, Phil Dunphy said: I've no idea where you think I'd suggested that. At what point do you think Hitler allowed his Nationalist party to be "perverted" then? No time for giving any history lessons this morning Phil. Check 'Google' or the local library (if the tories havent closed it). You seem to be suggesting that the SNP are somehow connected to Nazism. Thats what it reads like and we both know thats utter pish. Edited June 14, 2018 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Pans Jambo said: No time for giving any history lessons this morning Phil. Check 'Google' of the local library (if the tories havent closed it). You think are suggesting that the SNP are somehow connected to Nazism. Thats what it reads like and we both know thats utter pish. Scottish Nationalist Party. National Socialist German Workers Party. You're right. They're nothing alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Phil Dunphy said: Scottish Nationalist Party. National Socialist German Workers Party. You're right. They're nothing alike. Thats correct. Nothing alike. Are the Scottish Socialist's Nazi's too (the same word appears in both Scottish SOCIALIST party and National SOCIALIST German Workers Party)? Or how about the Labour and Socialist movement? They Nazi's too Phil??? Of course not & to link them in the way you have is just embarrassing and a disgrace to the men who fought against them in WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Pans Jambo said: Thats correct. Nothing alike. Are the Scottish Socialist's Nazi's too (the same word appears in both Scottish SOCIALIST party and National SOCIALIST German Workers Party)? Or how about the Labour and Socialist movement? They Nazi's too Phil??? Of course not & to link them in the way you have is just embarrassing and a disgrace to the men who fought against them in WW2. I mean, if you want to talk about disrespecting those who fought them, perhaps you should be Googling Arthur Donaldson. Absolutely nothing to link them, right enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: So that makes the SNP's Nazi links ok? Current SNP links to Nazism please? Should I post Prince Harry playing Nazis too not so long ago too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Scottish Nationalist Party. National Socialist German Workers Party. You're right. They're nothing alike. I suppose Corbyn is a Nazi too going by your strange warped logic? Oh, btw, it’s actually Scottish National Party, where did you get the “ist” from? Make that up too did ya Phil? Edited June 14, 2018 by Space Mackerel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I suppose Corbyn is a Nazi too going by your strange warped logic? Why do none of your "real life" mates not want to talk politics with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: So that makes the SNP's Nazi links ok? Not sure there were official links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Current SNP links to Nazism please? Should I post Prince Harry playing Nazis too not so long ago too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Space Mackerel quick to answer the questions, refuses to answer them. He's a credit to his party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: You dont see it because you dont want to. You are comparing now with well...now. We currently only run around 30% of our own country. Running 100% would mean a lot more departments and a lot more people working a lot more than 3 days a week. The 'growth commission is a discussion document NOT a policy document. I mean even now government is continuous. My point was MSPs sit and work for 3 days. The GC was to be a definitive answer to the economic case. It was bigged up as a major policy announcement of the SNP. It cannot now therefore be tossed aside. A lot is being warped with it as well. We heard the FM over her party conference say it said things it did not. At the end of the day if the GC has been worked on for so long and been backed before release by the top of the Yes movement it can't then be ignored for its harsh truths - which are close alignment with the UK, the Pound with no formal agreements beyond "we're using it" and tight spending (cuts). Totally agree with you that the state will be bigger. That things would need to change amd parliament expanded to have for members. But, until you change the political class you won't get much more than UK-lite policy. The economics of the SNP and most opposition MSPs is slap bang in line with mainstream UK policy. That wont change after the event either. This is akin to the lefty Brexit stuff - a new dawn awaits if we ditch this lot. I think I do see where you want to go. I do not think that voting Yes is a guarantee nor a better way of getting there. Looking at those who will be in charge then I see no real change coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Boris said: Happy to carry on with Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg etc? Oh god . . Certainly not ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Did you get it shown on “Take Harts” gallery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Boris said: Happy to carry on with Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg etc? Sadly at the moment there is no credible opposition party to vote for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Did you get it shown on “Take Harts” gallery? Lifted from Vings Uber Schottland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Lifted from Vings Uber Schottland I lifted this I'm not sure if Ali is a lad or lassie but it definitely has Nazi tendencies, he's got a Union flag and picture of Liz the German in his avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I lifted this I'm not sure if Ali is a lad or lassie but it definitely has Nazi tendencies, he's got a Union flag and picture of Liz the German in his avatar. Why do none of your "real life" pals not want to talk politics with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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