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35 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

No it’s not and the lack of coherent answers is exactly why the snp will never get independence 

The great Scottish people won’t be fooled again after the 2014 lies

not to mention the trial (doh)

 

post a dugs heid if you agree 

Scottish people voted for self governance. Hope that's not racist. 

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49 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:


Which university did you get your energy degree out of frank? 😁😁😁

All nuclear can GTF and take those weapons and park them on the Thames next to Westminster if they like them so much. 

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16 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

The majority of people in Scotland, voted to be part of the United Kingdom. 

They did. Scots born voted for self governance. Just making a point not an argument. 

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1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

No it’s not and the lack of coherent answers is exactly why the snp will never get independence 

The great Scottish people won’t be fooled again after the 2014 lies

not to mention the trial (doh)

 

post a dugs heid if you agree 

:cornette_dog:

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Scotland , do you want indepenence ? Maybe.

 

This is what it will cost.

No!

 

So, Brexit?

We voted once already !! 

 

The only country on the planet that is pissed off with foreign rule but would rather spend the rest of its life being humiliated. 

 

And be a nation again.... no,  thank you.

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1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Scottish people voted for self governance. Hope that's not racist. 

It's not.

But it can be misconstrued.

 

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1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Scotland , do you want indepenence ? Maybe.

 

This is what it will cost.

No!

 

So, Brexit?

We voted once already !! 

 

The only country on the planet that is pipssed off with foreign rule but would rather spend the rest of its life being humiliated. 

 

And be a nation again.... no,  thank you.

Eh?

 

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2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

No it’s not and the lack of coherent answers is exactly why the snp will never get independence 

The great Scottish people won’t be fooled again after the 2014 lies

not to mention the trial (doh)

 

post a dugs heid if you agree 

Alex Salmond beastiness is not an argument for remaining in a union which imo holds back a nation of people from fulfilling their potential.

 

You say we are great.

No we are not.

But we have punched above our weight.

And we are stuck with a chip on our shoulder forever blaming westminster.

Time we grew up.

And take and accept responsibility.

 

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9 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Scotland , do you want indepenence ? Maybe.

 

This is what it will cost.

No!

 

So, Brexit?

We voted once already !! 

 

The only country on the planet that is pissed off with foreign rule but would rather spend the rest of its life being humiliated. 

 

And be a nation again.... no,  thank you.

Sorry.

 

This is the kind of argument I've been looking forward to as a Brexit independence voter.

 

 

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Just now, jake said:

Sorry.

 

This is the kind of argument I've been looking forward to as a Brexit independence voter.

 

 

Good for you. 

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4 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

 

 

 

 

In 2014, a big turnout of Scottish voters voted very clearly to reject Scotland becoming an Independent country. 

What do you mean @Roxy Heartswhen you say 'Scots born voted for self governance'? 

Hes saying that people born in Scotland voted for independence.

Many EU nationals did not.

They may or may not do now.

The point is that many people born in Scotland have had experience of being let down by both main parties in the UK.

Check labour heartlands in northern England for the same feelings.

 

I get where you are  coming from though.

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Just now, jake said:

It is mate.

I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

In a political sense.

 

It's good fun.

😁

Marvellous. Enjoy and embrace it.  Independence and Brexit. Together. What a coupling. 

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1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Marvellous. Enjoy and embrace it.  Independence and Brexit. Together. What a coupling. 

So you would like to argue that remaining in the EU but being independent from westminster is compatible.

Fair enough.

But do not tell me that economically it's a disaster to leave the EU and argue that it's not to leave the UK.

Because if you had not noticed our trade with England dwarfs our trade with the EU.

Neither is a disaster.

I do not like power that is concentrated.

Many nationalists cite the austerity policies of the current torie government and our inability to do anything about it.

And then unbelievably want to join a union whose policies choke any national parliament from taking steps to alleviate the same thing.

Check out unemployment and stagnation in southern Europe.

 

Sorry if I'm being idealistic but the imo the EU is geared towards the haves against the have nots.

 

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9 minutes ago, jake said:

So you would like to argue that remaining in the EU but being independent from westminster is compatible.

Fair enough.

But do not tell me that economically it's a disaster to leave the EU and argue that it's not to leave the UK.

Because if you had not noticed our trade with England dwarfs our trade with the EU.

Neither is a disaster.

I do not like power that is concentrated.

Many nationalists cite the austerity policies of the current torie government and our inability to do anything about it.

And then unbelievably want to join a union whose policies choke any national parliament from taking steps to alleviate the same thing.

Check out unemployment and stagnation in southern Europe.

 

Sorry if I'm being idealistic but the imo the EU is geared towards the haves against the have nots.

 

Hi Jake. Your opening sentence is at odds with your smartarse "eh?" comment. So, no I won't be debating anything. Although I like the idea that the UK will turn its back on its biggest trading partner (which you advocate Scotland should NOT do). 

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4 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Hi Jake. Your opening sentence is at odds with your smartarse "eh?" comment. So, no I won't be debating anything. Although I like the idea that the UK will turn its back on its biggest trading partner (which you advocate Scotland should NOT do). 

Honestly mate I'm not trying to be a smartarse.

But I know my posting style comes across like that.

I'm an arse not a smart one.

I get ripped all the time on here.

It's easy for me to be idealistic.

In the real world it's not going to happen 

 

So buddy debate with me .

Your opinion is worth as much as mine.

I just dont like the EU .

Not what it set out to do.

But what it's been hijacked to do.

 

For me I could not care less about flags nationhood etc.

I've posted about immigration 

And I've posted stuff that people thinks racist .

I care about folk from my side of the street whether they are Scots English Spanish or Syrian.

 

I'm all over the place mate .

Far from a smartarse.

 

Hee hee i do enjoy politics when i think I'm on a roll though biddy

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8 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

The majority of people in Scotland, voted to be part of the United Kingdom. 

 

If you're referring to the 2014 referendum, no, they didn't.

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7 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

 

 

 

 

In 2014, a big turnout of Scottish voters voted very clearly to reject Scotland becoming an Independent country. 

What do you mean @Roxy Heartswhen you say 'Scots born voted for self governance'? 

People born in Timbuktu! 

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54 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Nice to see our paid snp activists are putting the hours in

BORIS SAYS NO THOUGH

and Scotland agrees 

 

:cornette_dog:

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18 hours ago, jake said:

Sadly you are not far wrong in regards to labour being foreign to England.

While I have posted that the nationalist vote in Scotland is similar to the one in England I am thankful that ours doesnt involve the tories.

What I would say is that both our labour vote and northern english labour vote were totally taken for granted and london centric.

And that northern England have been shat on by both tory and labour governments.

 

But I'm a bit all over the place tbh Alban.

I think for Scotland to succeed after independence it will have to adopt a free market liberal economic strategy.

 

Doesnt mean we cant balance that with fairness .

High taxation will see much larger economic forces rallied  against any government.

Even the threat of that from Corbyn saw him blootered by the press.

 

I should start my own thread mate where I can argue with myself

🤪

Good summary. I agree. But hopefully Scotland post independence can control big business. I have my doubts, tho.

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1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Good summary. I agree. But hopefully Scotland post independence can control big business. I have my doubts, tho.

 

A post-Brexit UK or an independent Scotland not in the EU would have more options for collection of business taxes.

 

Big business can shift their tax region to the lowest bidder in the EU like your Luxembourg etc.

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1 hour ago, Zlatanable said:

Are you rejecting the official result, based on 55.3% of registered electorate in a 84.59% turnout? or are you doing the thing where maths says blah blah?

 

You're the one who made the fallacious claim.

 

55.3% of 84.59% of the registered electorate is a long, long way short of 'the majority of people in Scotland'.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

I see. You are doing the blah blah.

 

Thank you for your input. 

 

If I see someone posting immediately verifiable bullshit and pick them up on it they can go red in the face and stamp their feet as much as they want. It doesn't stop it being factually wrong. 

 

If you had accurately said 36.81% of the population voted to remain part of the UK then not a single soul could have quibbled. 

 

You chose to post a misleading statistic - you can either explain why or leave others to infer what they will. I don't really care - all I chose to do was point out an inaccuracy so for that you are most welcome.

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6 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Your blah blah is Rococo.

 

D'you need some help understanding it?

 

That's the impression you're giving.

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7 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Yes, I would like you to help myself understand what is happening. 

 

1) You posted an incorrect statistic.

2) I pointed out your error.

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17 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Have you actually watched this?

Do you have a link to the next part of what Andrew Neil says here? 

 

I never bother clicking on the links he posts as they are all either wrong, half-truths or irrelevant.

 

The fact is that we will long be out of the EU before Scotland can vote on independence so what Andrew Neil may have said before the GE isn't up to date.

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Just now, Zlatanable said:

It stops mid interview

 

Was it the Sturgeon interview?  If so, I can understand why some SNP fanatic would want to cut the ending of that showing her face tripping. :rofl:

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23 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

The majority of people in Scotland, voted to be part of the United Kingdom. 

 

(my emboldening)

 

8 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

In 2014, 3,623,344 votes were cast in the Scottish Referendum, which was 84.59% of the electorate. 

Of those votes, over 55.3% voted against Scotland becoming independent. 

 

This was the majority I was referencing. 

 

You may very well have been referencing it, but that is clearly - as can be seen by the first quoted post - not what you said.

 

55.3% of 3,632,344 amounts to 36.81% of the people of Scotland.

 

Perhaps you'll choose your words more carefully in future - just so you don't get accused of making shit up, an' all.

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2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

I get what you mean @Boof but I also think your haranguing was needless. 

 

An opinion you're entitled to hold and state on this forum as long as you stick to the rules which I believe we both did.

 

My opinion is that 'haranguing' is just a little on the strong side to describe my posts but I can live with it.

 

Peace out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Until you post another misleading stat... :P :lol: 

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2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

I have not posted a misleading statistic at any stage of our conversation,  and I know this because I have double-checked everything I have said. 

 

*sigh...*

 

The very first post I picked up upon was where you stated 'the majority of people in Scotland'.

 

Use of the word 'majority' identifies this as a statistical use.

 

I have shown that 36.81% is NOT the majority of people in Scotland...it is barely over one third.

 

If you had simply stated that he majority of people who voted chose to remain in the UK I wouldn't have felt compelled to say anything but misleading statistics do get my goat and I will challenge them when I see them.

 

That is why I urged you to choose your claims more carefully.

 

Now...I'm done.

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1 minute ago, Zlatanable said:

In 2014, there was a referendum. It was decided by a majority.

The majority voted against Scotland becoming an independent country.

 

If you're not being deliberately obtuse you're on the wind-up.

 

The majority of people who voted IS NOT THE SAME AS the majority of the population.

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7 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Yes, I understand this.

 

Well, would you please stop saying it, then.

 

7 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

I am saying that a democratic vote happened in 2014, 

 

Something I haven't disputed on this thread.

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1 minute ago, Zlatanable said:

So it seems we are in agreement. 

 

It seems we are - you appear to agree that the number of people who voted to remain part of the UK is NOT the majority of people in Scotland.

Well done. It took some time but you finally got there.

 

1 minute ago, Zlatanable said:

Your daft, pointless points, have been quite stupid, and this conversation with you has been ridiculous.

 

As I've already said - when I see bullshit - I'll point it out.

 

1 minute ago, Zlatanable said:

Please take my advice here- stop being an idiot. 

 

:rofl: 

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14 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

One of th things I know about you @Boof, is you do not point out bullshit when you see it.

 

 

I believe Boof. 

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manaliveits105

It’s simple peeps

 

2014 Scotland said NAW

2020 Boris PM says NAW to redraw

its naw a draw it’s just naw nippy 

do one 

 

( dugs heid if your in fool agreement)

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33 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

It’s simple peeps

 

2014 Scotland said NAW

2020 Boris PM says NAW to redraw

its naw a draw it’s just naw nippy 

do one 

 

( dugs heid if your in fool agreement)

:facepalm:

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36 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

It’s simple peeps

 

2014 Scotland said NAW

2020 Boris PM says NAW to redraw

its naw a draw it’s just naw nippy 

do one 

 

( dugs heid if your in fool agreement)

Poorest argument going.

 

2014 was won on false pretences to say the least.

 

Now we should just abide the same liars and charlatans.

 

The UK is in aright state. A new referendum could in theory put this properly all to bed for the foreseeable but they won't as they know they've been shown up for what they are.

 

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Space Mackerel
9 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

Was it the Sturgeon interview?  If so, I can understand why some SNP fanatic would want to cut the ending of that showing her face tripping. :rofl:


Got a link to the Andrew Neil and Boris Johnson interview? 
 

If you click the Twitter link, the full 10 min video is linked to YouTube in the next comment.

 

Twitter only allows 2 min 20 sec uploads, but you knew that? 

 

 

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Ainsley Harriott

Whens Indy Ref 2 happening? Sturgeon said 2020 so surely she's set a date. Would like to think she didn't con people into voting SNP at the last general election on something they dont have the power to deliver. 

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43 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Whens Indy Ref 2 happening? Sturgeon said 2020 so surely she's set a date. Would like to think she didn't con people into voting SNP at the last general election on something they dont have the power to deliver. 

 

I think its beginning to sink in with some SNP MSPs:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18132071.sturgeon-mp-admits-chance-indyref2-year-probably-nil/

 

:glorious:

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1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Whens Indy Ref 2 happening? Sturgeon said 2020 so surely she's set a date. Would like to think she didn't con people into voting SNP at the last general election on something they dont have the power to deliver. 

 

80% of the seats and you think you are winning.

 

:lol:

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