Pans Jambo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 A “political union” which can only be sustained by open threats, empty promises, transparent dishonesty, cancerous corruption and contempt for democratic principles is a political union that is broken beyond repair. It is a political union that must end. (Not my words). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: A “political union” which can only be sustained by open threats, empty promises, transparent dishonesty, cancerous corruption and contempt for democratic principles is a political union that is broken beyond repair. It is a political union that must end. (Not my words). Deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: A “political union” which can only be sustained by open threats, empty promises, transparent dishonesty, cancerous corruption and contempt for democratic principles is a political union that is broken beyond repair. It is a political union that must end. (Not my words). Apparently not. I've just read a remarkable post on another thread hoping that the devolved powers disappear altogether as they're divisive and have achieved nothing for Scotland. Fuddery of an incredibly high standard Edited June 13, 2018 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, The Mighty Thor said: Apparently not. I've just read a remarkable post on another thread hoping that the devolved powers disappear altogether as they're divisive and have achieved nothing for Scotland. Fuddery of a incredibly high standard Aye. The brainwashed & MSM apologists are reducing in numbers by the day though. A blind man can see what the tories have done/are doing to Scotland. Fuddery is about right IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Pans Jambo said: Aye. The brainwashed & MSM apologists are reducing in numbers by the day though. A blind man can see what the tories have done/are doing to Scotland. Fuddery is about right IMO. c750,000 voted for this fuddery in Scotland quite happily not so long ago. A lot of it about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Trapper John McIntyre said: c750,000 voted for this fuddery in Scotland quite happily not so long ago. A lot of it about. No they voted to leave the EU. They didn't vote for the dissolution of devolved powers, that have done nothing for Scotland. There's not a lot of that about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Shambles. How anyone can back the Union in it's current state is beyond me. The sooner we go independent the better, if we don't we might as well scrap the Scottish Parliament - what's the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: No they voted to leave the EU. They didn't vote for the dissolution of devolved powers, that have done nothing for Scotland. There's not a lot of that about. Voted Tory in the last election. You know, those awful people many feel compelled to signal their hatred/contempt etc etc like a badge of honour. All those new Scots Tories. A great achievement of the SNP (the only one, actually). In case you've conveniently forgotten, the SNP didnt want anything to do with devolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Scotlands civic nationalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Scotlands civic nationalism Makes you fair proud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, jambo lodge said: There is a difference between showing outrage and being told by SNP Central to show outrage. SNP MP's are robots who follow orders, no wonder they were ridiculed by the others when they left the chamber. If this was a stunt as many full on Unionists on here have claimed (like robots of course lol) , if the Speaker had done the right thing and called for a vote as per under the ACTUAL rules of the HoC, then there would’ve been no walkout. What do you say to that Lodgey? Will I get an answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Scotlands civic nationalism Yeah, because one person speaks for everyone. It's like me saying you are the same as those fascists in George Square, day after the referendum. Nazi salutes, rule Britannia etc etc. You have your opinion, others have theirs, but because some arsehole comes out with something arseholic that suits your narrative, all are tarred with your same broadbrush. I think you are better than that, but of course I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: If this was a stunt as many full on Unionists on here have claimed (like robots of course lol) , if the Speaker had done the right thing and called for a vote as per under the ACTUAL rules of the HoC, then there would’ve been no walkout. What do you say to that Lodgey? Will I get an answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Hopefully the snp mps stay oot and let parliament get on with the important stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Unionists on here are utter morons at times. Our country and I mean Scotland is being utterly disrespected and you lot whinge about the SNP. I'd hate you on my side in a war and I'm a pacifist(being ironic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Hopefully the snp mps stay oot and let parliament get on with the important stuff Like what? 2 trillion debt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: c750,000 voted for this fuddery in Scotland quite happily not so long ago. A lot of it about. There is a lot of it going about...but not for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Unionists on here are utter morons at times. Our country and I mean Scotland is being utterly disrespected and you lot whinge about the SNP. I'd hate you on my side in a war and I'm a pacifist(being ironic). Theyre all like wee robots to coin one of their own phrases, utterly devoid of any critical or personal thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: There is a lot of it going about...but not for much longer. Yeah, maybe they'll hit the 1,000,000 mark next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Trapper John McIntyre said: Yeah, maybe they'll hit the 1,000,000 mark next time. Tick tock Trapper. You can feel it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Boris said: Yeah, because one person speaks for everyone. It's like me saying you are the same as those fascists in George Square, day after the referendum. Nazi salutes, rule Britannia etc etc. You have your opinion, others have theirs, but because some arsehole comes out with something arseholic that suits your narrative, all are tarred with your same broadbrush. I think you are better than that, but of course I could be wrong. That's what devolution and the advent of the SNP has brought us to. You know that's what I'm saying. Don't kid on that you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: Tick tock Trapper. You can feel it. All I feel is the glorious sun of Union shining down upon this blessed land for all time. Edited June 13, 2018 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: All I feel is the glorious sun of Union shining down upon this blessed land for all time. Your lot are on the slippery slope up here. I never understood what the motivation is for a Scot to not only wish to stay in this union, but to seem to endorse it regardless of being ignored, lied to, shat on, disrespected and treated with utter contempt. I’m sure theres a name for someone of that description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glottis Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Surprised there isn't more on the suicide chat from the Tory tbh. Thought that should overshadow the walkout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: All I feel is the glorious sun of Union shining down upon this blessed land for all time. Was it a stunt today John? Was The Speaker in on it? Are you looking a wee bit stupid again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Your lot are on the slippery slope up here. I never understood what the motivation is for a Scot to not only wish to stay in this union, but to seem to endorse it regardless of being ignored, lied to, shat on, disrespected and treated with utter contempt. I’m sure theres a name for someone of that description. I'm sure you have a name for us. But you see, hard as it is for you to understand, the majority of us don't feel the way you do. We're quite happy in our own skins and we don't get worked up about the laughable tosh you just described as if we live in some totalitarian state in the 1930's. You're just demeaning your argument when you spout such drivel. We're alright, mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: I'm sure you have a name for us. But you see, hard as it is for you to understand, the majority of us don't feel the way you do. We're quite happy in our own skins and we don't get worked up about the laughable tosh you just described as if we live in some totalitarian state in the 1930's. You're just demeaning your argument when you spout such drivel. We're alright, mate. Yeah. Brainwashing is alive & well obviously. As you were... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: Did you see my Donald Dewar post earlier? As his biography and obituary attest he thought it then and after a mistake. But I suggest you check out Swinney saying SSP MSPs walking out was bad as tgey betrayed the "privilege of being a parliamentary representative". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: As his biography and obituary attest he thought it then and after a mistake. But I suggest you check out Swinney saying SSP MSPs walking out was bad as tgey betrayed the "privilege of being a parliamentary representative". Some mistake getting Devolution some 10 years after then. Maybe yesterday’s actions are written in the stars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Boris said: Yeah, because one person speaks for everyone. It's like me saying you are the same as those fascists in George Square, day after the referendum. Nazi salutes, rule Britannia etc etc. You have your opinion, others have theirs, but because some arsehole comes out with something arseholic that suits your narrative, all are tarred with your same broadbrush. I think you are better than that, but of course I could be wrong. It does beg the question why the Unionists are so keen to highlight the odd throbber when their own ranks are stuffed with some right undesirables. Perhaps its easier to play one idiot than actually debate. The thing I don't get is why the strident unionists will never fight for Scotland on any front. Irrespective of one's view on self-determination, you would surely still want the best for this country but instead it's just craven supplication with not a shred of anger over what is basically a ripping up of the devolution settlement and a total disregard to democracy. Labour once walked out of Westminster in umbrage at the treatment of this country, now they just abstain and the unionists just sit there and take it. Yet they wonder why the SNP remain in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gizmo said: It does beg the question why the Unionists are so keen to highlight the odd throbber when their own ranks are stuffed with some right undesirables. Perhaps its easier to play one idiot than actually debate. The thing I don't get is why the strident unionists will never fight for Scotland on any front. Irrespective of one's view on self-determination, you would surely still want the best for this country but instead it's just craven supplication with not a shred of anger over what is basically a ripping up of the devolution settlement and a total disregard to democracy. Labour once walked out of Westminster in umbrage at the treatment of this country, now they just abstain and the unionists just sit there and take it. Yet they wonder why the SNP remain in power. And there we have it, the conceit that only the Nats are standing up for Scotland or that the only true Scots are Nats. “How to win friends and influence people” is clearly not on their reading list. The opposing thesis is that Unionists care too much for Scotland to let it fall into the clutches of wreckers secessionists who only care about the act of secession and not the aftermath. They have no plan for post-Indy. The don’t know if it will be a “hard” or “soft” Indy. The have no clear comprehension of a post independence Scottish economy. If this thread read has told us anything over the past few weeks, it is that even the most ardent Nats now see that the dream is in tatters - the bitterness and name-calling are as clear a set of symptoms as you can ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said: They have no plan for post-Indy. The don’t know if it will be a “hard” or “soft” Indy. The have no clear comprehension of a post independence Scottish economy. Surely you’re joking Surely you’re getting mixed up with Brexit Surely you can post a link to the Conservatives plans. Surely you’re drunk :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldReekie444 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Hopefully the snp mps stay oot and let parliament get on with the important stuff If only. But life is hellish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldReekie444 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Surely you’re joking Surely you’re getting mixed up with Brexit Surely you can post a link to the Conservatives plans. Surely you’re drunk :-/ No, they are legitimate points SM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldReekie444 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Gizmo said: It does beg the question why the Unionists are so keen to highlight the odd throbber when their own ranks are stuffed with some right undesirables. Perhaps its easier to play one idiot than actually debate. The thing I don't get is why the strident unionists will never fight for Scotland on any front. Irrespective of one's view on self-determination, you would surely still want the best for this country but instead it's just craven supplication with not a shred of anger over what is basically a ripping up of the devolution settlement and a total disregard to democracy. Labour once walked out of Westminster in umbrage at the treatment of this country, now they just abstain and the unionists just sit there and take it. Yet they wonder why the SNP remain in power. If i have to choose, and i am being forced, I would happily renounce Scottishness. I see myself as Edinburgh as an identity. The UK has given me one of the best places to be born into. Scotland doesn't give me anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gorgiewave said: What will Spacey and his ilk do after 2021, when they are not even in power in Scotland? Bookmarked. What's the SNP's lead after 11 years in government? 15% or so, isn't it? As for what happened yesterday, I couldn't give a guff if it was staged or not. Almost everything that happens at PMQs is staged. The contempt shown towards Scotland by this government and by Brexiteers everywhere has been breathtaking. And on this forum, it seems as though some don't want Scotland to have any representation at all. It's "do as you're told, and be quiet". The reality is this. The vast majority of Brexit supporters (you proudly among them) couldn't give a flying **** about Scotland. They don't want Brexit; they want Englandexit. To them, Britain is England, the UK is England. In the process, they're slowly but surely destroying the Union, and they should be ashamed. Still, on a lighter note: I hope you're enjoying your young, diverse, socialist government in Spain. The good guys (and gals) always win in the end. Edited June 14, 2018 by shaun.lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: Bookmarked. What's the SNP's lead after 11 years in government? 15% or so, isn't it? As for what happened yesterday, I couldn't give a guff if it was staged or not. Almost everything that happens at PMQs is staged. The contempt shown towards Scotland by this government and by Brexiteers everywhere has been breathtaking. And on this forum, it seems as though some don't want Scotland to have any representation at all. It's "do as you're told, and be quiet". The reality is this. The vast majority of Brexit supporters (you proudly among them) couldn't give a flying **** about Scotland. They don't want Brexit; they want Englandexit. To them, Britain is England, the UK is England. In the process, they're slowly but surely destroying the Union, and they should be ashamed. Still, on a lighter note: I hope you're enjoying your young, diverse, socialist government in Spain. The good guys (and gals) always win in the end. You are aware that the SNP lead is almost guaranteed given the split in the electorate. For 45% of the country, there is one logical party to vote for. That leaves 3/4 parties fighting over the remaining 55%. This means the SNP will always dominate Scottish politics now that independence is now such a massive issue to so many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: Unionists on here are utter morons at times. Our country and I mean Scotland is being utterly disrespected and you lot whinge about the SNP. I'd hate you on my side in a war and I'm a pacifist(being ironic). An awful lot of hate, bile and bitterness for an alleged pacifist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 9 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: A “political union” which can only be sustained by open threats, empty promises, transparent dishonesty, cancerous corruption and contempt for democratic principles is a political union that is broken beyond repair. It is a political union that must end. (Not my words). Correct they're not. Peter A Bell(end) would appear to be the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Another imaginary friend I know has swapped from No to Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Another imaginary friend I know has swapped from No to Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Another imaginary friend I know has swapped from No to Yes The rats are deserting the sinking ship. (It’s ok) Edited June 14, 2018 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: The rats are deserting the sinking ship. (It’s ok) Pretty stupid idea the SNP have had suggesting we use the currency of a sinking ship with no say in how it runs Edited June 14, 2018 by Hasselhoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: Some mistake getting Devolution some 10 years after then. Maybe yesterday’s actions are written in the stars! The walk out of 1980-odd was largely forgotten about till yesterday. Rather than a turning point Dewar later said it was a mistake. Ed Davey and Tim Farron led a walk out of liberals over the Lisbon Treaty in 2008. No one remembered that till Farron himself said the SNP had made a bad move. In 10 years time it'll be a through away line in a book "The Rise and Fall of the SNP". What guaranteed devolution was Dewar and John Smith helping to set up and lead the Scottish Constitutional Convention. It is noticeable that no such vehicle - cross party, across sections of society - has occurred for Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Hasselhoff said: Pretty stupid idea the SNP have had suggesting we use the currency of a sinking ship. Shhh. Don't bring up the Growth Commission. Indy for a Scottish austerity isn't the tagline they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: The walk out of 1980-odd was largely forgotten about till yesterday. Rather than a turning point Dewar later said it was a mistake. Ed Davey and Tim Farron led a walk out of liberals over the Lisbon Treaty in 2008. No one remembered that till Farron himself said the SNP had made a bad move. In 10 years time it'll be a through away line in a book "The Rise and Fall of the SNP". What guaranteed devolution was Dewar and John Smith helping to set up and lead the Scottish Constitutional Convention. It is noticeable that no such vehicle - cross party, across sections of society - has occurred for Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: The walk out of 1980-odd was largely forgotten about till yesterday. Rather than a turning point Dewar later said it was a mistake. Ed Davey and Tim Farron led a walk out of liberals over the Lisbon Treaty in 2008. No one remembered that till Farron himself said the SNP had made a bad move. In 10 years time it'll be a through away line in a book "The Rise and Fall of the SNP". What guaranteed devolution was Dewar and John Smith helping to set up and lead the Scottish Constitutional Convention. It is noticeable that no such vehicle - cross party, across sections of society - has occurred for Indy. Maybe you forgot clearly others haven't as one of your past Labour heroes hasn't. He maybe understands yesterdays walkout more than you. h ttps://twitter.com/MalcolmChishol1/status/1007141958043754496 Also. if you think there is no "cross-party, across sections of society" as you claim then you haven't a single solitary clue what the Yes movement is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: If this was a stunt as many full on Unionists on here have claimed (like robots of course lol) , if the Speaker had done the right thing and called for a vote as per under the ACTUAL rules of the HoC, then there would’ve been no walkout. What do you say to that Lodgey? Will I get an answer? 100% it was a stunt. Co-ordinated walkout from a pathetic little group of dafties. Had they not walked out one of the cult could have taken up the points of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Gizmo said: It does beg the question why the Unionists are so keen to highlight the odd throbber when their own ranks are stuffed with some right undesirables. Perhaps its easier to play one idiot than actually debate. The thing I don't get is why the strident unionists will never fight for Scotland on any front. Irrespective of one's view on self-determination, you would surely still want the best for this country but instead it's just craven supplication with not a shred of anger over what is basically a ripping up of the devolution settlement and a total disregard to democracy. Labour once walked out of Westminster in umbrage at the treatment of this country, now they just abstain and the unionists just sit there and take it. Yet they wonder why the SNP remain in power. Absolutely nail on head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, jambo lodge said: 100% it was a stunt. Co-ordinated walkout from a pathetic little group of dafties. Had they not walked out one of the cult could have taken up the points of order. Amazing then that the SNP MP's all knew that The Speaker would act that way then when he shouldn't. They all must have crystal balls. Do you now realise how silly you sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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