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Smithee
27 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Where are all these “shuttle buses” that are only going to be used for a couple of hours,  18/19 times a year going to come from?

That one really will be interesting, I said when plans were unveiled that this was a mental concept. 

 

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ToqueJambo
4 hours ago, RedCity said:

 

The proposed stadium cost is around £40m with the training facility costing £11.5m (I believe that figure is now secured). Training facility to be ready late summer.

 

Sale of Pittodrie, naming rights, further US investment, sale of McKenna money etc will all probably go towards it. Milne and Cormack may contribute more of their own money towards it for vanity and local kudos (Cormack already pumped in several million and a US investor he brought on board put in £1m). The shortfall will be made up via a long term mortgage. Revenue will increase with more corporate facilities etc and running costs should decrease (Pittodrie apparently costs a small fortune to maintain). That's their plan anyway but no plan is ever a perfect one. We'll see what happens. At the moment the training facilities are the most important thing.

 

And when the US investors want out, which they will, what then? A £50m stadium for a middling (usually) Scottish football club is insanity, almost Romanov level insanity. At the time I appreciated Romanov's ambition but when I sat down and tried to see how it could be paid for... And Romanov's stadium vision was a lot more accessible location wise.

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ToqueJambo
4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

That one really will be interesting, I said when plans were unveiled that this was a mental concept. 

 

 

I also think shuttle bussing to a game will get old very quickly.

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Smithee
6 minutes ago, Ibiza Jambo said:

Good luck to them I hope it works out, the more upgraded stadiums we have in Scotland the better. Hopefully the remaining shite like Fir Park, the Dundee stadiums etc can all be done sooner rather than later! 

 

All rivalry aside it breaks my heart to see the old urban stadiums knocked down.

We got really really lucky and we're still at Tynecastle, but even Tynie makes me a bit sad for losing the old place sometimes. It's just the football romantic in me I suppose. I've visited East Stirling and Falkirk's old grounds (Firs Park hadn't been flattened yet as of last summer, turnstile still present) since we moved back, and I spent a few days trying to find AZ Alkmaar's old ground when I moved there. I'd bring the old death traps back if I could!

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ToqueJambo
20 minutes ago, Ibiza Jambo said:

Good luck to them I hope it works out, the more upgraded stadiums we have in Scotland the better. Hopefully the remaining shite like Fir Park, the Dundee stadiums etc can all be done sooner rather than later! 

 

Would agree if renovating Pittodrie (which they could - Milne is pulling a Pieman by saying they can't), but replacing an inner city stadium with an out of town one is a regressive move IMO.

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Icon of Symmetry
56 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Where are all these “shuttle buses” that are only going to be used for a couple of hours,  18/19 times a year going to come from?

 

23 minutes ago, Smithee said:

That one really will be interesting, I said when plans were unveiled that this was a mental concept. 

 

 

18 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I also think shuttle bussing to a game will get old very quickly.

 

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OTT
5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Would agree if renovating Pittodrie (which they could - Milne is pulling a Pieman by saying they can't), but replacing an inner city stadium with an out of town one is a regressive move IMO.

 

100%. Reckon he wants the land given he owns a construction firm. Pretty shameless move tbh. 

 

Feel for the dons. Their stadium is steeped in history (Okay, everything Ferguson done and not much else). Destroying all of that rather than making an effort to maintain the fabric of the club is pretty disappointing, okay the facilities might be better but the stadium is right out the town and looks like a flatpack special. 

 

It doesn't look like they'll feel much benefit for 20, 30 years and even then its not going to win them trophies. 

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Mikey1874
1 hour ago, FWJ said:

Where are all these “shuttle buses” that are only going to be used for a couple of hours,  18/19 times a year going to come from?

 

Getting back after the game is the issue. In contrast for example a tram from Murrayfield after game is seemless despite numbers. That is the template to follow. Would mean buses going every minute. 

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22 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Getting back after the game is the issue. In contrast for example a tram from Murrayfield after game is seemless despite numbers. That is the template to follow. Would mean buses going every minute. 

 

Monorail. ?

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sadj
Just now, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

 

Monorail. ?

Sensing a theme wi your posts on here mate

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Icon of Symmetry
Just now, sadj said:

Sensing a theme wi your posts on here mate

 

Mono...

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haveyouheard 22

Fans will turn up if the team performs Re  where the venue is especially at home 

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sadj
39 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

 

Mono...

Kate Bush’s Mono Brow????

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Icon of Symmetry
4 minutes ago, sadj said:

Kate Bush’s Mono Brow????

 

RAIL!

 

... Let me hear you say MONO...

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jambali
3 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Would agree if renovating Pittodrie (which they could - Milne is pulling a Pieman by saying they can't), but replacing an inner city stadium with an out of town one is a regressive move IMO.

They can't renovate

 

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sadj
6 minutes ago, jambali said:

They can't renovate

 

They can easily renovate. There is enough room if you turn the pitch 

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Mono...

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OTT
9 hours ago, RedCity said:

 

The proposed stadium cost is around £40m with the training facility costing £11.5m (I believe that figure is now secured). Training facility to be ready late summer.

 

Sale of Pittodrie, naming rights, further US investment, sale of McKenna money etc will all probably go towards it. Milne and Cormack may contribute more of their own money towards it for vanity and local kudos (Cormack already pumped in several million and a US investor he brought on board put in £1m). The shortfall will be made up via a long term mortgage. Revenue will increase with more corporate facilities etc and running costs should decrease (Pittodrie apparently costs a small fortune to maintain). That's their plan anyway but no plan is ever a perfect one. We'll see what happens. At the moment the training facilities are the most important thing.

 

I think its great that fans of other clubs can come on here and add to the thread. It really adds to the discussion and offers more direct knowledge (since we're all pretty focused on our teams).

 

With Aberdeen moving out of the city do you not think that will potentially lower the corporate facilities value (and therefore the revenue that would bring)? Obviously, with Pittodrie being in the city there are bars and restaurants near by so conferences/ Meetings and other corporate get togethers can have their meeting or whatever and then go for drinks etc locally. Kingswell is quite out the way and would require transport to go to and from. Are there competing facilities within Aberdeen which could impact this?

 

From the outside looking in, this looks like a massive mistake and I can't help but question if Milnes motives are pure in wanting Aberdeen as a club to grow and prosper, or if he just wants the land to develop. If Hearts were to be taking on a debt of over £40m I'd damn well expect us to be staying at our historical home for that figure. 

 

Just as a side note, I quite like the design of the Richard Donald stand. It only dawned on me recently how bloody big the thing is. 

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sadj
22 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

I think its great that fans of other clubs can come on here and add to the thread. It really adds to the discussion and offers more direct knowledge (since we're all pretty focused on our teams).

 

With Aberdeen moving out of the city do you not think that will potentially lower the corporate facilities value (and therefore the revenue that would bring)? Obviously, with Pittodrie being in the city there are bars and restaurants near by so conferences/ Meetings and other corporate get togethers can have their meeting or whatever and then go for drinks etc locally. Kingswell is quite out the way and would require transport to go to and from. Are there competing facilities within Aberdeen which could impact this?

 

From the outside looking in, this looks like a massive mistake and I can't help but question if Milnes motives are pure in wanting Aberdeen as a club to grow and prosper, or if he just wants the land to develop. If Hearts were to be taking on a debt of over £40m I'd damn well expect us to be staying at our historical home for that figure. 

 

Just as a side note, I quite like the design of the Richard Donald stand. It only dawned on me recently how bloody big the thing is. 

Prime four holds a few big oil companies and theres more in westhill walking distance from the new ground. Theres a lot of corporate facilities already though between hotels and the new conference centre which is not far with the awpr so it is a gamble.

 

 

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fabienleclerq
13 hours ago, RedCity said:

 

If that was the case why only 18k Hearts fans when you played us and Rangers at Murrayfield last season then? 

 

Surely this goes against the point you were trying to make? 18k home fans is more than normal.

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Cory McNamara
20 hours ago, RedCity said:

 

Who said it was bigger? Think Pittodrie holds around 21k ish. Overall revenue for the new stadium projects to be far bigger though with much more corporate facilities and community use of the facilities etc.

 

Ok, good luck with new installations and against blue shirts.

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Sir Gio

Causing difficulty for motorists this morning as they dig close to the A944.

 

*******s 

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Gorillajam
9 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

He’s planning his escape. Prediction:

 

AFC in oodles of debt, in a half-empty rented stadium in the middle of nowhere.

 

 

 

Its actually very good move by Aberdeen. Again a very well run club. Unfortunately.

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Icon of Symmetry
2 minutes ago, Gorillajam said:

 

Its actually very good move by Aberdeen. Again a very well run club. Unfortunately.

 

We shall see. ?

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gorgie rd eh11
6 minutes ago, Gorillajam said:

 

Its actually very good move by Aberdeen. Again a very well run club. Unfortunately.

 

 

 In what way is it a very good move? Genuine question, no idea how these things work.

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CJGJ

Aberdeen have the second wealthiest board in Scottish Football

 

I would imagine the funds are in place for the project though like all projects I hope they have added at least 25% to the expected costs

Will the move allow them to generate the running costs of the club plus repayments of monies loaned ?

 

If so then all well and good for them but they also need a team on the park to draw the crowds

 

 

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IveSeenTheLight
39 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Its a paperwork excercise to bypass rule 9 of the city code where the investment takes the shareholding beyond 30% and they are honourbound to make an offer for the remaining 70% shares as a public limited company.

Private limited companies don’t have the same requirements.

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kila
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19 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Its a paperwork excercise to bypass rule 9 of the city code where the investment takes the shareholding beyond 30% and they are honourbound to make an offer for the remaining 70% shares as a public limited company.

Private limited companies don’t have the same requirements.

 

Haggis shagger, do you reckon the designs of the stadium final from before or will they change to something a bit more exciting on the inside? I am curious, thought the steepness of Tynecastle would influence a ground of same size for atmosphere etc.

 

 

 

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IveSeenTheLight
12 minutes ago, kila said:

 

Haggis shagger, do you reckon the designs of the stadium final from before or will they change to something a bit more exciting on the inside? I am curious, thought the steepness of Tynecastle would influence a ground of same size for atmosphere etc.

 

 

 

 

There is to be a consultant stage I believe, but the steepness of the stands I don’t think is an option as it may have been part of the planning permission restrictions for the area.

I don’t know for certain, but think there was something about the height of the stadium. Light pollution or some crap like that.

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kila
6 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

There is to be a consultant stage I believe, but the steepness of the stands I don’t think is an option as it may have been part of the planning permission restrictions for the area.

I don’t know for certain, but think there was something about the height of the stadium. Light pollution or some crap like that.

 

Can get away with height issues on a new build by sinking the pitch down though

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Barack
Just now, kila said:

 

Can get away with height issues on a new build by sinking the pitch down though

Which it will, naturally over time. As it subsides slowly into the bog upon which it is to be situated.

 

:jj:

 

 

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IveSeenTheLight
12 minutes ago, kila said:

 

Can get away with height issues on a new build by sinking the pitch down though

 

I’m sure you could.

Like I said, I’m not sure of the details but think it was an inclusion factor to get planning permission for some reason.

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Icon of Symmetry
Just now, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

I’m sure you could.

Like I said, I’m not sure of the details but think it was an inclusion factor to get planning permission for some reason.

 

Be honest. Are you a little worried about how this might turn out?

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Zico

Wiggy was recently going round local companies asking them to pony up cash to fund the move. He’s no daft the old baldy *****. 

 

Source: Aberdeen supporting FDs/CFOs of the aforementioned. 

 

 

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IveSeenTheLight
10 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

Be honest. Are you a little worried about how this might turn out?

 

Initially I was.

I’m increasingly confident that they will pull this off.

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Icon of Symmetry
Just now, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Initially I was.

I’m increasingly confident that they will pull this off.

 

That’s the spirit. ?

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kingdannyb
On 02/03/2019 at 03:53, OTT said:

As a side note, I quite like the design of the Richard Donald stand. It only dawned on me recently how bloody big the thing is. 

 

I'm the opposite - Pittodrie is the ugliest ground in Scotland solely down to the monstrosity that replaced the Beach End terrace !

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ToqueJambo
1 hour ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Initially I was.

I’m increasingly confident that they will pull this off.

 

At what cost?

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OTT
Just now, kingdannyb said:

 

I'm the opposite - Pittodrie is the ugliest ground in Scotland solely down to the monstrosity that replaced the Beach End terrace !

 

I suppose its all about opinions eh! I'm not old enough to remember the old stand. 

 

I just like how imposing and large it is. I'd love the Gorgie and School end to be replaced with something equally big. Perhaps the external design could be worked on. Hard. :D 

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gorgie rd eh11

No matter how they spin it, soul will be lost.

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Stephen Muddie
2 hours ago, gorgie rd eh11 said:

No matter how they spin it, soul will be lost.

The most successful period in their post 1990 history has been now and they still can't average more than 13,000 home fans. I fear for them, or I would if I gave a toss about them. Can't see how the logistics of how thousands of people make their way there will work either. So much for the environmental concerns people pretend they hold dear thesedays - looks like a car journey for half of them.

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kingdannyb
On 07/06/2019 at 22:06, OTT said:

 

I'm not old enough to remember the old stand. 

 

 

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Julie1957

Remember that end.Scottish cup replay crushed outside and Roddie sent off before we got in.

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kirkierobroy

I said it before on this thread - no team has increased its support after moving to a new bypass/roundabout stadium.

 

I predicted before, and I stand by it, that if they do build it'll have to be scaled down to a MacDiarmid Park with red seats and butteries in the pie stall.

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benny
On 07/06/2019 at 21:00, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Initially I was.

I’m increasingly confident that they will pull this off.

Always thought they would pull it off.

Location would be my biggest concern.

Just cannot see how fans getting there and back is going to work.

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the general
4 minutes ago, benny said:

Always thought they would pull it off.

Location would be my biggest concern.

Just cannot see how fans getting there and back is going to work.

 

Would maybe have worked easier if you could drink in the stadium.having the bars open before and after the game could ease the flow

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Sir Gio

As much as I would like to see this fail, Aberdeen is a place where you can very easily add the shire. We are all very much used to motoring around the city and not relying on public transport (just as well).

 

It wont fail on location. It may well fail on over ambition though.

 

Aberdeen people will not buy into it unless Aberdeen are beating Rangers regularly. Strong Rangers=apathetic Aberdeen

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