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1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

its utter insanity.

tens of millions that will never be recouped by increased turnover.

They would need thousands of extra fans per season to make it  worthwhile.

Its not going to happen.

 

 

The proposed stadium cost is around £40m with the training facility costing £11.5m (I believe that figure is now secured). Training facility to be ready late summer.

 

Sale of Pittodrie, naming rights, further US investment, sale of McKenna money etc will all probably go towards it. Milne and Cormack may contribute more of their own money towards it for vanity and local kudos (Cormack already pumped in several million and a US investor he brought on board put in £1m). The shortfall will be made up via a long term mortgage. Revenue will increase with more corporate facilities etc and running costs should decrease (Pittodrie apparently costs a small fortune to maintain). That's their plan anyway but no plan is ever a perfect one. We'll see what happens. At the moment the training facilities are the most important thing.

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1971fozzy

I’m glad they’re going ahead as pittodries a dump. Maybe we will see the game now

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

I don't think the design has been finalised yet. 

 

No, I’m quite sure it won’t have been. :rofl:

 

Need to think about all kinds of things, like the monorail platform and suchlike. 

 

 

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I think Hibs are probably a slightly better example to use as a comparison here. A couple of years ago their benefactor has to go to the bank and offer them peanuts for payment now deal on the mortgage for their last couple of stands and training barn. Basically they could not afford the debt. I think that was for an outstanding sum of about £8m.

 

So, this stadium is initially proposed to cost £50m, aye? 

 

I will I’ll be watching this unfold with morbid curiosity. 

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4 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

 

No, I’m quite sure it won’t have been. :rofl:

 

Need to think about all kinds of things, like the monorail platform and suchlike. 

 

 

 

Ach there's too many fat *******s in the Aberdeen support these days anyway. It's time they started walking further to get to the games this new stadium will be great for their long term health.

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1 minute ago, RedCity said:

 

Ach there's too many fat *******s in the Aberdeen support these days anyway. It's time they started walking further to get to the games this new stadium will be great for their long term health.

 

Although, you must concede there is a reasonable chance it won’t be good for the health of the club? ?

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1 minute ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

I think Hibs are probably a slightly better example to use as a comparison here. A couple of years ago their benefactor has to go to the bank and offer them peanuts for payment now deal on the mortgage for their last couple of stands and training barn. Basically they could not afford the debt. I think that was for an outstanding sum of about £8m.

 

So, this stadium is initially proposed to cost £50m, aye? 

 

I will I’ll be watching this unfold with morbid curiosity. 

 

No £40m the £50m includes the training facility which the money is already secured for. Costs could overrun though that has to be factored in.

 

Remember we will get several million for the sale of Pittodrie (most estimate around £15m though the club think they'll get £18m). Dave Cormack hopes to use his contacts in America for further investment once the stadium got the full go ahead which it appears to have now.

 

Naming rights and sale of McKenna will all go towards it. Probably sell Ferguson for a few million too in a couple of seasons time. Cormack and Milne are very rich men they will likely put something extra into it for vanity alone. You could still be looking at a long term mortgage of around £15m. Who knows. As I've said we can't see into the future people who are far better qualified than you or I will have already done the sums.

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1 minute ago, RedCity said:

 

No £40m the £50m includes the training facility which the money is already secured for. Costs could overrun though that has to be factored in.

 

Remember we will get several million for the sale of Pittodrie (most estimate around £15m though the club think they'll get £18m). Dave Cormack hopes to use his contacts in America for further investment once the stadium got the full go ahead which it appears to have now.

 

Naming rights and sale of McKenna will all go towards it. Probably sell Ferguson for a few million too in a couple of seasons time. Cormack and Milne are very rich men they will likely put something extra into it for vanity alone. You could still be looking at a long term mortgage of around £15m. Who knows. As I've said we can't see into the future people who are far better qualified than you or I will have already done the sums.

 

I dunno, mate... sounds like it’s dependent on an awful lot of what ifs and maybes to me. Fair play though, I don’t read many dissenting voices from an AFC support source, so they must have done enough to convince you all that this is a safe and sensible move. 

 

See this American investment, what would that look like to them? What do they get out of part funding this? It reads to me as if there’s a chance they will own part of it, and AFC may be more tenant than owner of that happens. Could be way off the mark of course, but generally investment means there is a tangible reward or pay out after the money has been put in.

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Tazio
2 hours ago, RedCity said:

 

. Aberdeen and Hearts are two of Scotland's five biggest clubs yet Aberdeen have won a mere 1 major trophy in the last 23 years and Hearts have only won 3 in the last 56 years.

 

Or to put it another less biased way we have won 3 trophies in the last 21 years. 

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Cory McNamara

The new stadium will hold 20000 spectators; how is that bigger than the current one?

 

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3 minutes ago, Tazio said:

 

Or to put it another less biased way we have won 3 trophies in the last 21 years. 

 

The figures I put up highlighted the difference between the old firm and the rest that has virtually always been there. It was to show how ridiculously one sided the game is up here. 

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4 minutes ago, Cory McNamara said:

The new stadium will hold 20000 spectators; how is that bigger than the current one?

 

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Who said it was bigger? Think Pittodrie holds around 21k ish. Overall revenue for the new stadium projects to be far bigger though with much more corporate facilities and community use of the facilities etc.

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haveyouheard 22

Put the OF fandans  in the corner that would be sweet 

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15 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

 

I dunno, mate... sounds like it’s dependent on an awful lot of what ifs and maybes to me. Fair play though, I don’t read many dissenting voices from an AFC support source, so they must have done enough to convince you all that this is a safe and sensible move. 

 

See this American investment, what would that look like to them? What do they get out of part funding this? It reads to me as if there’s a chance they will own part of it, and AFC may be more tenant than owner of that happens. Could be way off the mark of course, but generally investment means there is a tangible reward or pay out after the money has been put in.

 

With the American investment I couldn't honestly say mate. Cormack made his name over there and obviously has a lot of rich business contacts in the US. He's already had a 7 figure investment from one US associate. But if there is further investment from that side of the pond who knows as you allude to they will be looking for something out of any investment they make unlike Cormack who is a fan and has donated millions of his own money without ever wanting it back.

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Posted (edited)
30 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

No £40m the £50m includes the training facility which the money is already secured for. Costs could overrun though that has to be factored in.

 

Remember we will get several million for the sale of Pittodrie (most estimate around £15m though the club think they'll get £18m). Dave Cormack hopes to use his contacts in America for further investment once the stadium got the full go ahead which it appears to have now.

 

Naming rights and sale of McKenna will all go towards it. Probably sell Ferguson for a few million too in a couple of seasons time. Cormack and Milne are very rich men they will likely put something extra into it for vanity alone. You could still be looking at a long term mortgage of around £15m. Who knows. As I've said we can't see into the future people who are far better qualified than you or I will have already done the sums.

So best case scenario a debt of £15m.

 

That will weigh down AFC for years to come.

 

Clever people get their sums wrong too btw. SDM, uncle Vlad, RBS, Carillon etc etc 

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4 minutes ago, Ricardo Shillyshally said:

So best case scenario a debt of £15m.

 

That will way down AFC for years to come.

 

Clever people get their sums wrong too btw. SDM, uncle Vlad, RBS, Carillon etc etc 

 

Anne Budge ?

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2 minutes ago, Ricardo Shillyshally said:

So best case scenario a debt of £15m.

 

That will way down AFC for years to come.

 

Clever people get their sums wrong too btw. SDM, uncle Vlad, RBS, Carillon etc etc 

 

Im well aware of that that's why I've said who knows no guarantees with anything. £15m is a figure I've plucked out the air could be more could be less I'm not privvy it the information those that are involved in the project are.

 

I'm sure if they felt it would bankrupt the club they wouldn't do it. They will have what they feel are sound plans. But as I said on here earlier plans don't always go the way they should. We'll need to wait and see the stadium is in my opinion a few years away yet.

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dsk1210

Good luck building a full stadium for 40 million.

 

Hope it works out.

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haveyouheard 22

If aberdeen get debt with the new ground so what they should be more concerned about there shite support 

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Ricardo Shillyshally
Just now, RedCity said:

 

Im well aware of that that's why I've said who knows no guarantees with anything. £15m is a figure I've plucked out the air could be more could be less I'm not privvy it the information those that are involved in the project are.

 

I'm sure if they felt it would bankrupt the club they wouldn't do it. They will have what they feel are sound plans. But as I said on here earlier plans don't always go the way they should. We'll need to wait and see the stadium is in my opinion a few years away yet.

RedCity. On the charge of wishful thinking, you have been found guilty as charged.

 

You are hereby sentenced to 25 years season ticket holding at an out of town souless white elephant.

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58 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

The proposed stadium cost is around £40m with the training facility costing £11.5m (I believe that figure is now secured). Training facility to be ready late summer.

 

Sale of Pittodrie, naming rights, further US investment, sale of McKenna money etc will all probably go towards it. Milne and Cormack may contribute more of their own money towards it for vanity and local kudos (Cormack already pumped in several million and a US investor he brought on board put in £1m). The shortfall will be made up via a long term mortgage. Revenue will increase with more corporate facilities etc and running costs should decrease (Pittodrie apparently costs a small fortune to maintain). That's their plan anyway but no plan is ever a perfect one. We'll see what happens. At the moment the training facilities are the most important thing.

Pittodries maintenance and running costs will def be high its shocking inside. We were told that about Tynecastle by the pieman though its possibly why many feel its not all as it seems from Milne etc

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Smithee

Naming rights :laugh:

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6 minutes ago, haveyouheard 22 said:

If aberdeen get debt with the new ground so what they should be more concerned about there shite support 

 

Only two clubs in Scotland have what you'd call a huge support mate. The rest of them can't fill their grounds even when the OF come to town. So can't really see where you're coming from. Our support is shite compared to the OF. Goes for all Scottish non OF teams though.

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Red City Aberdeen have a shite support apart fae when the OF are in town, we always get well more than you in other games.. nosh on that sheepy 

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1 minute ago, haveyouheard 22 said:

Red City Aberdeen have a shite support apart fae when the OF are in town, we always get well more than you in other games.. nosh on that sheepy 

 

Oh I see. So why don't you sell out now then if you're support is so superior? We're averaging 15k you're around 17k. What a massive difference eh? And no we don't sell out for the OF apathy has set in lots don't go as they don't want to assiciate with bigoted scum like them. I actually know this because I go to our OF games.

 

As for attendances I couldn't really give a sh*t it's the score at the end of the game that matters not how many watched it. Last time I checked it was the result they reported on final score not attendance figures. 

 

In my whole life I have never used attendance figures as any sort of argument when discussing football. It's actually embarrassing. It's what happens on the park that matters.

 

 

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Looking at this from a purely selfish point of view, I enjoy the away day to Aberdeen, I get the train from Stirling, arrive at 1, few beers before hand and train home around 7.

The Pittodrie experience isn't great but being able to walk and have a good choice of pubs, nearby makes up for that.

The new stadium will mean a disruption to this and I don't fancy getting shuttle buses. Can i suggest they put toilets on them.

Might be ok pre match but after the game it could be a nightmare hanging around waiting. There doesn't sound like there will be pubs near the ground so overall the experience will be poorer than the present one.

Hopefully ICT and Ross County come back up before then and that will be the big trip rather than Aberdeen 

 

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Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

Oh I see. So why don't you sell out now then if you're support is so superior? We're averaging 15k you're around 17k. What a massive difference eh? And no we don't sell out for the OF apathy has set in lots don't go as they don't want to assiciate with bigoted scum like them. I actually know this because I go to our OF games.

 

As for attendances I couldn't really give a sh*t it's the score at the end of the game that matters not how many watched it. Last time I checked it was the result they reported on final score not attendance figures. 

 

In my whole life I have never used attendance figures as any sort of argument when discussing football. It's actually embarrassing. It's what happens on the park that matters.

 

 

If Tynie held more we would attract more at time doubt you lot would , anyway FTS 

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Just now, haveyouheard 22 said:

If Tynue held more we would attract more at time doubt you lot would , anyway FTS 

 

Well that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If Tynecastle held more you'd attract more?? You can't fill it now though if what you say is true it'd be bursting at the seams every week. But you don't sell out nowhere near. So you're actually talking gibberish.

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2 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

Well that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If Tynecastle held more you'd attract more?? You can't fill it now though if what you say is true it'd be bursting at the seams every week. But you don't sell out nowhere near. So you're actually talking gibberish.

What ever 

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On 29/01/2019 at 22:39, kirkierobroy said:

No team has yet increased attendances by scarpering to a Lego job on a bypass. So why they're insisting on 20,000 capacity...

 

To be fair that's a decrease on their current capacity.

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1 minute ago, haveyouheard 22 said:

What ever 

 

If that was the case why only 18k Hearts fans when you played us and Rangers at Murrayfield last season then? 

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haveyouheard 22
4 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

If that was the case why only 18k Hearts fans when you played us and Rangers at Murrayfield last season then? 

I'm old to remember your shite crowds at Hampden when you were on a crest of a wave

 

lucky if you had 20k in the away end with huge gaps

 

Red Army

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Gizmo
29 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

In my whole life I have never used attendance figures as any sort of argument when discussing football. It's actually embarrassing. It's what happens on the park that matters.

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

...But you don't sell out nowhere near. So you're actually talking gibberish.


Fancy that. 

 

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Boab
8 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 


Fancy that. 

 

 

14 mins apart !

Stuck to his guns there eh !

 

 

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Ricardo Shillyshally
7 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 


Fancy that. 

 

Ha ha ha.

 

 

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vegas-voss

Why do folk care so much.We got what we wanted to stay at Tynie with a nice new stand.Aberdeen are going about it in a different way but with the same desired effect.

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23 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 


Fancy that. 

 

 

I was asking the poster to justify what he was saying which didn't add up. He said if Tynecastle was bigger they'd  have more home fans etc etc. It made no sense when it's never full now. That's not exactly rocket science though. 

 

As for how many fans attend your or others games I don't care it's not my bag to compare club to club attendances as a dick measuring contest. I'll never use that as an argument as it's irrelevant to me. The football on the park is what matters. But if someone says something to me that just doesn't add up I'll ask them to justify it. As I'm sure you would yourself. 

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5 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

I was asking the poster to justify what he was saying which didn't add up. He said if Tynecastle was bigger they'd  have more home fans etc etc. It made no sense when it's never full now. That's not exactly rocket science though. 

 

As for how many fans attend your or others games I don't care it's not my bag to compare club to club attendances as a dick measuring contest. I'll never use that as an argument as it's irrelevant to me. The football on the park is what matters. But if someone says something to me that just doesn't add up I'll ask them to justify it. As I'm sure you would yourself. 

 

Quite a tight knot you’ve tied yourself up in there, min !

I’m sure your nice, new shiny stadium will be decent.

There, all friends !

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Sir Gio

Potential noose this. 50 million could turn to anything. 

Fear for my hometown team  :(

 

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RedCity
3 minutes ago, Boab said:

 

Quite a tight knot you’ve tied yourself up in there, min !

I’m sure your nice, new shiny stadium will be decent.

There, all friends !

?

 

What knot would that be then mate? I think you'll find it was the Hearts fan who tied himself up in knots by making claims which the stats just did not back up in any way shape or form. 

 

All i I did was point out the stats which made a complete mockery of his claims. To what his final answer was "Whatever".

 

But yeah it was me who tied myself up in knots.

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7 minutes ago, RedCity said:

 

What knot would that be then mate? I think you'll find it was the Hearts fan who tied himself up in knots by making claims which the stats just did not back up in any way shape or form. 

 

All i I did was point out the stats which made a complete mockery of his claims. To what his final answer was "Whatever".

 

But yeah it was me who tied myself up in knots.

 

But it’s irrelevant to you, mate. Concentrate on the concrete !

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Posted (edited)

Red Citys a knobber pops on  a Hearts site just because his teams getting a new stadium, he must be fair pleased

 

As for stats, heres a cracker

 

SCSF in the 90's at Hampden ,Sat 3pm KO (plenty trains on), not live on Telly.., the sheep end was almost empty..We sold our end without a public sale and asked for your unsold tickets

 

 

Red Army 

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jock _turd
50 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Why do folk care so much.We got what we wanted to stay at Tynie with a nice new stand.Aberdeen are going about it in a different way but with the same desired effect.

 

Exactly I could not give a flying F what that lot do, to me they are Hibs at the other end of the country... in that respect I hope they go to town spend a F'n king's ransom on their new ground and regret every F'n penny they spent on it! 

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FWJ

Where are all these “shuttle buses” that are only going to be used for a couple of hours,  18/19 times a year going to come from?

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1 hour ago, Sir Gio said:

Potential noose this. 50 million could turn to anything. 

Fear for my hometown team  :(

 

????

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VALDOS
20 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Where are all these “shuttle buses” that are only going to be used for a couple of hours,  18/19 times a year going to come from?

They will come from the same mysterious garage where all matchday buses wheel out from, I would imagine :lol:

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1 hour ago, RedCity said:

 

I was asking the poster to justify what he was saying which didn't add up. He said if Tynecastle was bigger they'd  have more home fans etc etc. It made no sense when it's never full now. That's not exactly rocket science though. 

 

As for how many fans attend your or others games I don't care it's not my bag to compare club to club attendances as a dick measuring contest. I'll never use that as an argument as it's irrelevant to me. The football on the park is what matters. But if someone says something to me that just doesn't add up I'll ask them to justify it. As I'm sure you would yourself. 

Well of course, but that's because your crowds are shite.

Guys with small dicks rarely use dick size as the measure of a man.

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North Berwick Jambo

Good luck to them I hope it works out, the more upgraded stadiums we have in Scotland the better. Hopefully the remaining shite like Fir Park, the Dundee stadiums etc can all be done sooner rather than later! 

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Gizmo

Truth is that every team in the league has suffered financially from getting their stadia in order. And many of us further from spending on academies and training centres.

Aberdeen haven't. They just ignored the state of their decrepit dump and used their extra revenue to do better on the pitch, once they finally got a half competent manager in. 

Time to pay the piper. 

 

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3 hours ago, Smithee said:

Naming rights :laugh:

Worth a thread in it's own right!

The Foos yer Doos arena

 

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