Don Draper Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 11 people dead after an attack at the Paris offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. Two guys with Kalashnikovs...FFS. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 No guesses as to who perpetrated this crime. Payback time for their satirical cartoons ect possibly. What ever the case sympathies to the families and friends of the dead and injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Apprently the attack was because Charlie's latest tweet was a cartoon of the Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. But of course, the media will say this has nothing to do with religion. ANYTHING but religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They have an RPG as well and are still at large. It's fairly safe to assume that we'll never see another publication taking risks with comments and cartoons, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They have an RPG as well and are still at large. It's fairly safe to assume that we'll never see another publication taking risks with comments and cartoons, etc. Probably will, people said the same thing after the Danish Muhammad cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Apprently the attack was because Charlie's latest tweet was a cartoon of the Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. But of course, the media will say this has nothing to do with religion. ANYTHING but religion. I don't think they will. That party line is running out of chances now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Probably will, people said the same thing after the Danish Muhammad cartoon. But this seems to be a step change in ferocity. If it can be staged once then it can again. It's also highly inspirational for any like minded maniacs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Witnesses quoted by French Europe 1 radio say that one of the attackers shouted "The prophet was avenged" while carrying out the assault. Utterly broken in the brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Like someone on Twitter says, if this is about a cartoon then every paper in the world should print it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 As night follows day, it can only be a few hours until we get a piece from Owen Jones in the Guardian telling us all not to overreact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Death toll up to 12. The amateur video they're showing on the news is truly terrifying. **** knows what it was like for the poor folk involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The tweet in question was only made 2 hours ago. Seems awfully quick to react in such fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The tweet in question was only made 2 hours ago. Seems awfully quick to react in such fashion. Was thinking that. Took them an hour to assemble the guys and gear and to execute an attack on the building. Potentially already lined up as a target and were waiting for their next offensive publication, or these guys are just constantly ready to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The tweet in question was only made 2 hours ago. Seems awfully quick to react in such fashion.The posted a cartoon of Muhammed a while ago apparently, based on the "prophet is avenged" comment they came out with id imagine that was the excuse.Today was probably just a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Imagine murdering someone over a cartoon. Savages. Religion of peace right enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Jesus...the online footage. I'm not posting any of it here and be warned if you go looking, you'll see a policeman getting executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They have an RPG as well and are still at large. It's fairly safe to assume that we'll never see another publication taking risks with comments and cartoons, etc. Bullshit. I hope every paper runs with the "offending" cartoon on their front page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Was thinking that. Took them an hour to assemble the guys and gear and to execute an attack on the building. Potentially already lined up as a target and were waiting for their next offensive publication, or these guys are just constantly ready to attack. The tweet was probably a coincidence and this has been planned for a while. Charlie Hebdo don't need masks or automatic weapons to stand up for their beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Shooting people over a feckin cartoon. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 That execution clip is horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Bullshit. I hope every paper runs with the "offending" cartoon on their front page. Just saw a tweet by the Telegraph showing the front cover of the magazine but blurred out. I appreciate their concerns but couldn't help but feel disappointed. I hope others don't follow suit. Strength in numbers and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Terrible stuff. Such a cowardly act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It'd be nice to think that we could have a grown-up discussion about the way in which the political and economic situation in the Middle East gives rise to extremist religious views, and how disenfranchised youths in a country where integration has proven problematic have latched onto that, but judging by this thread it looks like we're going to just imply that Islam is for savages again. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 As night follows day, it can only be a few hours until we get a piece from Owen Jones in the Guardian telling us all not to overreact. Or telling us it's "our fault". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Fatman Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Apprently the attack was because Charlie's latest tweet was a cartoon of the Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. But of course, the media will say this has nothing to do with religion. ANYTHING but religion. Name me one instance where the press claim that an Islamist terrorist attack has absolutely nothing to do with religion? They have rightly said that every Muslim cannot be blamed, but they do blame the extreme elements of the religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 And there it is: Owen Jones @OwenJones84 ? 35m 35 minutes ago If we hate after atrocities like this, we're doing exactly what the perpetrators want us to do #CharlieHebdo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It'd be nice to think that we could have a grown-up discussion about the way in which the political and economic situation in the Middle East gives rise to extremist religious views, and how disenfranchised youths in a country where integration has proven problematic have latched onto that, but judging by this thread it looks like we're going to just imply that Islam is for savages again. Oh well. Start the grown-up discussion yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 And there it is: Owen Jones @OwenJones84 ? 35m 35 minutes ago If we hate after atrocities like this, we're doing exactly what the perpetrators want us to do #CharlieHebdo What part of that do you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Start the grown-up discussion yourself. If you look really closely, you'll see that I actually made a point in the post you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkJambo Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They have an RPG as well and are still at large. It's fairly safe to assume that we'll never see another publication taking risks with comments and cartoons, etc. That's not a safe assumption at all. In fact, there's no chance that will happen. I have no doubts publications will continue to "take risks". Freedom of speech and freedom of the press won't end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal Kingston Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 What part of that do you disagree with? What are we supposed to do then? Its a primal instinct to hate - especially after such a horrendous butchering of our fellow human beings. Policeman FFS! 12 families have been destroyed because of this murderous act - Personally I hope those responsible or people who knew about it get their lives destroyed too. *edit* destroyed by the letter of the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 And there it is: Owen Jones @OwenJones84 ? 35m 35 minutes ago If we hate after atrocities like this, we're doing exactly what the perpetrators want us to do #CharlieHebdo Could be the spirit of (or lack of) Neville Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It'd be nice to think that we could have a grown-up discussion about the way in which the political and economic situation in the Middle East gives rise to extremist religious views, and how disenfranchised youths in a country where integration has proven problematic have latched onto that, but judging by this thread it looks like we're going to just imply that Islam is for savages again. Oh well. Would do but way too busy trying to work out if this is the day when I can finally (and freely) get stuck into muslims without some tiresome PC brigader telling me that they're not all extremists and that. Owen Jones has it about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 What are we supposed to do then? Its a primal instinct to hate - especially after such a horrendous butchering of our fellow human beings. Policeman FFS! 12 families have been destroyed because of this murderous act - Personally I hope those responsible or people who knew about it get their lives destroyed too. Some might say that we should rise above 'primal instincts' because that's what makes us better than those who commit acts like these. I read the tweet as saying that we shouldn't hate Islam rather than the specific individual perpetrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 What are we supposed to do then? Its a primal instinct to hate - especially after such a horrendous butchering of our fellow human beings. Policeman FFS! 12 families have been destroyed because of this murderous act - Personally I hope those responsible or people who knew about it get their lives destroyed too. *edit* destroyed by the letter of the law Depends who you want to hate for it, I suppose. Personally, I'm going for the cowardly lunatics who went out with guns and shot innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_ Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 its worrying the gunmen are still at large! what a ****ing world we live in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimUpNorth Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 According to eyewitnesses they spoke perfect French with French accents. So go on then, what does the political and economic situation in the Middle East have to do with this ?Their version of Islam is at odds with Western democracy and free speech. That's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 According to eyewitnesses they spoke perfect French with French accents. So go on then, what does the political and economic situation in the Middle East have to do with this ? Try reading my post properly. In particular the bit about disenfranchised French youths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimUpNorth Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Try reading my post properly. In particular the bit about disenfranchised French youths. try answering my question, what does the political and economic situation in the Middle East have to do with this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The radical element of the Islamic religion is fairly terrifying, whether these folk truly believe that they are doing this for religious good or just as a front for terror. Either way, it is utterly disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 What part of that do you disagree with? I don't actually disagree with any of it. It's just that (as stated earlier in the thread) Owen Jones will churn out that line no matter the circumstances, no matter the story, no matter how much of the detail we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 try answering my question, what does the political and economic situation in the Middle East have to do with this ? Okay, since reading comprehension evidently isn't a strong point of yours I'll repeat the point that I've already made anyway. Radical Islam has seen a rise due to the political and economic situation in the Middle East. That's what has given it its impetus over a fairly long period. Young people of immigrant backgrounds in France, feeling disenfranchised by society, have become aware of that rise - helped in recent years by the rise of the internet in general and social media in particular - and some have latched onto it in a form of misguided community identification. I did, of course, already say pretty much exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freebird Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 try answering my question, what does the political and economic situation in the Middle East have to do with this ?Young Muslims who feel far more connected to their homelands than their adopted nations (i.e. Disenfranchised) look to what's happening in the Middle East and see an endless stream of drone strikes and dead civilians. It's really not that hard to fathom why they would hold grudges against the West is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 try answering my question, what does the political and economic situation in the Middle East have to do with this ? The political and economic situation in the middle East caused their families to immigrate to a country where they've then lived in virtual ghetto completely unadapted to society in a country which has long given up on them. Being poorly educated and cut off from any 'hope' of a better life other than through drugs, crime or football they've become easy prey for fanatics to convince them that it's all the Wests fault for their hopeless life and situation. Could use the same reasoning for Britain First/BNP supporters(without the immigration part clearly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I despise religion, I really do! RIP to those poor people and thoughts with their families, hope the *******s are hung from the tower once found! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I've just watched the video on liveleak and these savages show no mercy what so ever. The execute a wounded and downed police man without a second thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Okay, since reading comprehension evidently isn't a strong point of yours I'll repeat the point that I've already made anyway. Radical Islam has seen a rise due to the political and economic situation in the Middle East. That's what has given it its impetus over a fairly long period. Young people of immigrant backgrounds in France, feeling disenfranchised by society, have become aware of that rise - helped in recent years by the rise of the internet in general and social media in particular - and some have latched onto it in a form of misguided community identification. I did, of course, already say pretty much exactly this. If Radical Islam was concentrated solely on the west then I'd agree. But in the Middle East (and particularly with Islamic State) you've got Muslims slaughtering Muslims by the hundred. Some of it is basically ethnic cleansing. In Pakistan, you've got the Taliban attacking a school of kids, simply because their parents are in the military. The extremists are snakes in a barrel and to suggest otherwise is letting them off too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_ Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I've just watched the video on liveleak and these savages show no mercy what so ever. The execute a wounded and downed police man without a second thought. not really all that surprising is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 not really all that surprising is it?Unfortunately not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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