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Sadiq Khan has won the Mayoral nomination. Feeling is that Corbyn will win as he took a lot of support from registered Corbyn supporters.

 

Good for London Labour. Khan is the son of a bus driver of a family of 8 children and has lived, worked in before representing his seat. Unlike his rivals he never avoided London state schools, and he's proactively opposed to a 3rd runway and more oligarchs buying up London property for profit.

 

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Sadiq Khan has won the Mayoral nomination. Feeling is that Corbyn will win as he took a lot of support from registered Corbyn supporters.

 

Good for London Labour. Khan is the son of a bus driver of a family of 8 children and has lived, worked in before representing his seat. Unlike his rivals he never avoided London state schools, and he's proactively opposed to a 3rd runway and more oligarchs buying up London property for profit.

 

All good.

 

Pleasantly surprised by the nomination.

 

Perhaps Labour is beginning to go back to its roots?

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Pleasantly surprised by the nomination.

 

Perhaps Labour is beginning to go back to its roots?

Arguably on many areas it never left them. I'd argue that rather than third way its way through policies it's just being more upfront.

 

Time will tell with Corbyn but the Khan nomination is nothing but positive. Him v Goldsmith is a better dynamic, his background is pretty "Labour" and he's a strong campaigner who's been underused at Westminster.

 

I think the influx of new supporters since May across the UK has been a good thing for Labour. Reinvigorated the party.

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As someone who wouldn't be voting for him even if I was eligible to vote, which I am not, all I can say is that he is an improvement on Ken Livingstone, although that isn't exactly a high bar to pass. Is see the Respect party is putting a candidate up for the mayoral position. I had not heard from Mr Galloway for a while and sort of hoped he had disappeared for good, but nope, he is back

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Latest GERS figures (for last year) released.  

 

Scottish deficit of 8% of GDP (overspending equivalent to 23% of Scottish public revenue)  and the likelihood that the same figures for this year will show a double digit deficit as a % of GDP.

 

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/03/1422

 

 

Latest GERS figures released.  Scottish deficit now 9.7% of GDP (previous year revised up too) - (overspending now equivalent to 28% of Scottish public revenue).  My prediction of double digit deficit not quite realised but might be revised up too.  Next year will of course see even worse figures.  Scottish deficit now twice the size of that for the UK.  

 

Austerity!

 

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/03/3692/1

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Latest GERS figures released. Scottish deficit now 9.7% of GDP (previous year revised up too) - (overspending now equivalent to 28% of Scottish public revenue). My prediction of double digit deficit not quite realised but might be revised up too. Next year will of course see even worse figures. Scottish deficit now twice the size of that for the UK.

 

Austerity!

 

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/03/3692/1

What a brilliant job the uk governments have made of the Scottish economy.
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What a brilliant job the uk governments have made of the Scottish economy.

yeah, imagine what it would be without Westminster propping it up

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How are we going to fund the new Trident Missile now?

 

Maybe we could beg to China for funding for the Missile.  :smug2:  

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yeah, imagine what it would be without Westminster propping it up

The spectacular mismanagement of the country and its resources have brought us to this point and we should be grateful? These figures represent problems but every country in the western world has a deficit and are borrowing like drunken sailors, Scotland wouldn't be alone. These figures also only paint the picture of Scotland, devolved in the union it's not 100% totally accurate that these would be exactly the same were we Independent they are in a lot cases, guesstimates of the countries finances.

I was reading this earlier and it's critical of the U.K. Government as a whole but check the PFI debt Scotland has now. All brought on by the Labour Party. What a mess Britain is in....

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/joel-benjamin/forget-tax-hikes-plan-b-is-citizens-debt-audits

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How are we going to fund the new Trident Missile now?

 

Maybe we could beg to China for funding for the Missile.  :smug2:

we wouldn't have to worry about that if independent.

 

we would be to busy fighting the greeks for 1st place in the begging rights and kissing the german boot just to feed the country.

 

oil, oil lotsa lovely oil to run the country with lol

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The spectacular mismanagement of the country and its resources have brought us to this point and we should be grateful? These figures represent problems but every country in the western world has a deficit and are borrowing like drunken sailors, Scotland wouldn't be alone. These figures also only paint the picture of Scotland, devolved in the union it's not 100% totally accurate that these would be exactly the same were we Independent they are in a lot cases, guesstimates of the countries finances.

I was reading this earlier and it's critical of the U.K. Government as a whole but check the PFI debt Scotland has now. All brought on by the Labour Party. What a mess Britain is in....

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/joel-benjamin/forget-tax-hikes-plan-b-is-citizens-debt-audits

 

hahaha, you back to blaming the labour party for world recession, it was broons fault, overnight he crashed the economy, aye so they did. it takes quite a while to crash the world economy, longer than broon had in power and it would need somebody with a lot more power than the broon/labour party

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we wouldn't have to worry about that if independent.

 

we would be to busy fighting the greeks for 1st place in the begging rights and kissing the german boot just to feed the country.

 

oil, oil lotsa lovely oil to run the country with lol

Overjoyed to see Scotland branded a basket case economy?

Weird man.

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we wouldn't have to worry about that if independent.

 

we would be to busy fighting the greeks for 1st place in the begging rights and kissing the german boot just to feed the country.

 

oil, oil lotsa lovely oil to run the country with lol

The Rep of Ireland seems to be doing OK now?

  

Maybe if we had done what Norway did all these year's ago and had a oil fund things wouldn't be such a mess now, i.e the UK Government? 

 

Westminster needs the oil revenues more than Scotland does to fund the likes of Trident so Britain can be at the top table at the likes NATO and the United Nations?     

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Latest GERS figures released.  Scottish deficit now 9.7% of GDP (previous year revised up too) - (overspending now equivalent to 28% of Scottish public revenue).  My prediction of double digit deficit not quite realised but might be revised up too.  Next year will of course see even worse figures.  Scottish deficit now twice the size of that for the UK.  

 

Austerity!

 

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/03/3692/1

 

Are these figures due to Westminster mismanagement or the Scottish Government's mismanagement ?

 

Answers on a post card.

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Overjoyed to see Scotland branded a basket case economy?

Weird man.

 

I understand voting no.

 

I don't understand the perverse pleasure some folk would get in seeing their country fail because it confirmed their viewpoint.

 

Like those zoomers who seem to enjoy Hearts losing if it backs up their viewpoint.

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I understand voting no.

 

I don't understand the perverse pleasure some folk would get in seeing their country fail because it confirmed their viewpoint.

 

Like those zoomers who seem to enjoy Hearts losing if it backs up their viewpoint.

 

I feel your pain.

 

It's just awful how all those No voters were proven correct.

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I feel your pain.

 

It's just awful how all those No voters were proven correct.

About what?
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I understand voting no.

 

I don't understand the perverse pleasure some folk would get in seeing their country fail because it confirmed their viewpoint.

 

Like those zoomers who seem to enjoy Hearts losing if it backs up their viewpoint.

 

 

Personally, it's not that at all. My view of this is these people were calling the White Paper and the over the top predictions of the Yes side and the SNP out for what it was (a pipe dream) at the time and our now being vindicated.

 

Everyone (Yes/No, SNP, Labour, Liberal, Tory, Green, UKIP etc) all wants to see Scotland succeed. The fact is it was wrong to deny the harsh realities that affect Scotland then and now and the need to seriously address them.

 

Frankly, as a yes voter, I think the issue which floored the campaign was an SNP insistence that everything would be alright on the night from the ? to defence and oil to fisheries. It was nuts and frankly insulting. Equally, it's insulting to all of us to suggest anyone is taking great joy in bad economic, employment and poverty figures for Scotland. They should, be as they should've been in the referendum the catalyst for a more vibrant debate on how different we could do things in Scotland.  

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Personally, it's not that at all. My view of this is these people were calling the White Paper and the over the top predictions of the Yes side and the SNP out for what it was (a pipe dream) at the time and our now being vindicated.

 

Everyone (Yes/No, SNP, Labour, Liberal, Tory, Green, UKIP etc) all wants to see Scotland succeed. The fact is it was wrong to deny the harsh realities that affect Scotland then and now and the need to seriously address them.

 

Frankly, as a yes voter, I think the issue which floored the campaign was an SNP insistence that everything would be alright on the night from the ? to defence and oil to fisheries. It was nuts and frankly insulting. Equally, it's insulting to all of us to suggest anyone is taking great joy in bad economic, employment and poverty figures for Scotland. They should, be as they should've been in the referendum the catalyst for a more vibrant debate on how different we could do things in Scotland.

One word.

Labour.

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No pound, no debt, simple.

 

Your point obviously ignores the fact that a currency isn't an asset. It's a currency. 

 

Gold is an asset. Currency isn't.

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Your point obviously ignores the fact that a currency isn't an asset. It's a currency.

 

Gold is an asset. Currency isn't.

That's why theres two posts.
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And no future public borrowing.

Says who, you.

We don't need to borrow, we're a real country.

Unlike some. gk

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your mob bust the country, not the SNP.

 

 

No, the bankers bust the country, not Labour. 

 

Back the bankers?

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The spectacular mismanagement of the country and its resources have brought us to this point and we should be grateful? These figures represent problems but every country in the western world has a deficit and are borrowing like drunken sailors, Scotland wouldn't be alone. These figures also only paint the picture of Scotland, devolved in the union it's not 100% totally accurate that these would be exactly the same were we Independent they are in a lot cases, guesstimates of the countries finances.

I was reading this earlier and it's critical of the U.K. Government as a whole but check the PFI debt Scotland has now. All brought on by the Labour Party. What a mess Britain is in....

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/joel-benjamin/forget-tax-hikes-plan-b-is-citizens-debt-audits

Good article showing the stranglehold money lenders have in the U.K. Their relationship with politicians is toxic and one of the reasons the u.k. is finished. State sponsored usury through PFI is the legacy of the Labour party as is the subsequent eternal debt and austerity for the poor.

 

  Blame the bankers, if you like, but they were only doing what they were allowed to do. On the other hand the Labour party promised us an end to sleaze and more ethical policies. Labour claimed success for building schools and hospitals etc but sold our future to tax dodging, money lenders who financed Labour's elections in return for honours and lucrative punitive contracts that would make Mike Ashley blush. Scotland being disproportionately affected as it had a higher proportion of Labour councils.  

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No, the bankers bust the country, not Labour.

 

Back the bankers?

Tony and Gordon, allowed them.

Remind me, what did Gordon do with the Gold?.

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Might watch QT tonight for the first time in a long time. Be interesting to see how Davidson performs against Swinney, and if her claim that they are the only check on the SNP has any merit.

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Latest GERS figures released. Scottish deficit now 9.7% of GDP (previous year revised up too) - (overspending now equivalent to 28% of Scottish public revenue). My prediction of double digit deficit not quite realised but might be revised up too. Next year will of course see even worse figures. Scottish deficit now twice the size of that for the UK.

 

Austerity!

 

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/03/3692/1

The figures were revised and it is double digit deficit. Shows the white paper to be the stack of lies that no voters sensed it was. No voters aren't gleefully happy that Scotland is in this state, we are simply vindicated in showing concern and doubting SNP figures only to be accused of scaremongering etc.

 

We look in amazement at the US where people are voting for Trump no matter what he says or does but here we have a majority of people still voting for a party that is trying to deceive the country into independence despite there being no fiscal case for it.

 

Yes Scotland could be independent but we would not have anywhere near the comforts and good things we get today - and we call that austerity! Scotland is spending way beyond its means currently and that is being supported by being part of the UK.

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Overjoyed to see Scotland branded a basket case economy?

Weird man.

overjoyed to see that the basket isn't bigger in this case, it woulda been in an SNP world and it would be nowt to do with the labour party.

 

 

The Rep of Ireland seems to be doing OK now?

  

Maybe if we had done what Norway did all these year's ago and had a oil fund things wouldn't be such a mess now, i.e the UK Government? 

 

Westminster needs the oil revenues more than Scotland does to fund the likes of Trident so Britain can be at the top table at the likes NATO and the United Nations?

how much did the irish have to beg for ?

 

oil revenues ? it doesn't pay for the digging of the hole to get it out the ground and the SNP had the Scottish economy built on oil money and nothing else.

 

did the SNP say they were pulling out of NATO/UN, I'm sure they said they'd use NATO for defence but wouldn't supply any Land Bases or contribute any forces or any investment they just wanted NATO to defend us.

 

rather ironic that, just like the EU, as things stand that would indirectly be asking the English for help

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Tony and Gordon, allowed them.

Remind me, what did Gordon do with the Gold?.

Gold has zilch to do with the banking crisis.

 

Every developed nation allowed them to get away with murder. It was free money. Thatcher allowed them this scope in the 1980s. If anything the Labour party put in place watchdogs and regulations which proved to be not enough.

 

Salmond sent letters to Fred Goodwin endorsing and encouraging his diligent light takeovers of ABM Amro. They were all at it.

 

The SNP and the Tories wanted to go further and deregulate the mortgage market as well.

 

The deficit ballooned when the banks were bailed out nit before then. Bailouts generally cost a lot of money.

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The Rep of Ireland seems to be doing OK now?

 

Maybe if we had done what Norway did all these year's ago and had a oil fund things wouldn't be such a mess now, i.e the UK Government?

 

Westminster needs the oil revenues more than Scotland does to fund the likes of Trident so Britain can be at the top table at the likes NATO and the United Nations?

Ireland is suffering huge wealth inequality from the crash. Worse than Scotland. Figures look good but itself debatable if the positive figures are being felt by the majority of the people.

 

Oil fund might've been a good idea in 1982 but its 2016 and the time has come to move on. It's a dirty, greenhouse gas producing dinosaur which is diminished and its value reduced.

 

Scotland wanted into NATO were all nations shelter under the nuclear umbrella. No pay, but gain? Equally the UK's place in the UN is as much down to its economy and soft power influence as it is nuclear bombs. However, I do get your point. Yet it should be noted in 1945/6 when the UN came about only one power was a nuclear nation. So security council permanent seats aren't necessarily based on the bomb.

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The figures were revised and it is double digit deficit. Shows the white paper to be the stack of lies that no voters sensed it was. No voters aren't gleefully happy that Scotland is in this state, we are simply vindicated in showing concern and doubting SNP figures only to be accused of scaremongering etc.

 

We look in amazement at the US where people are voting for Trump no matter what he says or does but here we have a majority of people still voting for a party that is trying to deceive the country into independence despite there being no fiscal case for it.

 

Yes Scotland could be independent but we would not have anywhere near the comforts and good things we get today - and we call that austerity! Scotland is spending way beyond its means currently and that is being supported by being part of the UK.

Sorry i am mistaken, must have been another figure that was revised. 9.7% is still the deficit.

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Don't get you.

 

Two words: White Paper.

 

 

Two words.

 

Bull shit

 

Both of you are correct.  The White Paper was a nonsense.

 

Still voted YES though.

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Both of you are correct. The White Paper was a nonsense.

 

Still voted YES though.

Indeed, for a Red-Green Scotland. Not SNPTopia.

 

However, I'm happy with the devolution settlement now.

 

Go figure Boris! Haha

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Gold has zilch to do with the banking crisis.

 

Every developed nation allowed them to get away with murder. It was free money. Thatcher allowed them this scope in the 1980s. If anything the Labour party put in place watchdogs and regulations which proved to be not enough.

 

Salmond sent letters to Fred Goodwin endorsing and encouraging his diligent light takeovers of ABM Amro. They were all at it.

 

The SNP and the Tories wanted to go further and deregulate the mortgage market as well.

 

The deficit ballooned when the banks were bailed out nit before then. Bailouts generally cost a lot of money.

$ here, pass the buck.

 

What is money?.

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I see New Blue Labour has its hero in waiting ready to oust Corbyn after the election .

Dan Jarvis ex para all round good guy and Guardian newspaper darling has been raising money from wealthy labour supporters so as to launch a leadership challenge but ssshhhh it's a secret .

 

Of course he is distancing from New Labour ideology err right on then .

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I see New Blue Labour has its hero in waiting ready to oust Corbyn after the election .

Dan Jarvis ex para all round good guy and Guardian newspaper darling has been raising money from wealthy labour supporters so as to launch a leadership challenge but ssshhhh it's a secret .

 

Of course he is distancing from New Labour ideology err right on then .

 

Funny how Nicola and Swinney don't.

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