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300 years of oppression, they cant fix it in 8.

Had they got their way last September, we were promised that we would have been in the Land of Milk and Honey by 1 April 17.

 

But we now know that the gap between rhetoric and delivery is at least 8 years. Brilliant!

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Had they got their way last September, we were promised that we would have been in the Land of Milk and Honey by 1 April 17.

 

But we now know that the gap between rhetoric and delivery is at least 8 years. Brilliant!

Milk and Honey, no

oil and gas, yip. :)

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Just as nothing will persuade me that, as things stand, there is any viable alternative to the Conservative party. The Labour Party has imploded, the Liberals are discredited, the Greens are full of ideas that belong in a different century, and as for the SNP, hell wil freeze over before that bunch, and its uber fanatical supporters, receive my vote.

 

And that's cool too. :thumb:

 

You vote for who you want to vote for.  Interesting your choice of words though, in that by them I take it you would have previously considered voting Labour or even Liberal.  That's interesting.

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Itis quite easy and most enjoyable. Go to your account, select Manage Ignore Preferences and then input name of who you want to block. Life becomes far more enjoyable without constant abuse.

  

Just as nothing will persuade me that, as things stand, there is any viable alternative to the Conservative party. The Labour Party has imploded, the Liberals are discredited, the Greens are full of ideas that belong in a different century, and as for the SNP, hell wil freeze over before that bunch, and its uber fanatical supporters, receive my vote.

Am I missing something?
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And that's cool too. :thumb:

 

You vote for who you want to vote for.  Interesting your choice of words though, in that by them I take it you would have previously considered voting Labour or even Liberal.  That's interesting.

Liberal perhaps, Liberal Democrats most unlikely. The Gang of Four destroyed party for their own selfish ambitions.
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I stopped reading when he described the Conservatives as "principled" in the opening paragraph.

 

You're a Tory, good for you, but I would say how can you be if you had any critical capacity yourself?  The SNP's record in office may well be poor, I suspect it's mixed but that's here nor there, but a look at any Tory Government's records and I know they are poor!

 

 

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Watched the newsnught so called ex labour voters focus group thing they plumped for cooper as the leader , just had a sense they were being led in that direction by the host and by one or two in the panel who didn't seem as if they were just off the street .

A bit dodgy

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I was welling up. I could hear land of hope and glory in the background.

 

Stirring stuff. Myopic, disingenuous, but stirring nonetheless.

 

Perhaps he'll finish fourth in his constituency and be elected from the list, like Ruth. But hey, That's democracy. :thumb:

When I studied constitutional law at uni it was around the time of the SNP minority administration and we were going through what was then called "A Conversation for Scotland", their first botched attempt at independence in the run up to the 2011 election.

 

I was at Edinburgh and Prof Tomkins was a Glasgow lecturer. We had Prof Tierny, nice guy who would later advise the SNP. The academic debate at the time was excellent. But I always thought that Tomkins was the more open and honest writer on the independence debate, which was then the legality of a vote being held.

 

Tomkins was saying hold it, but without the UK governments backing it won't be legally binding. The SNP rejected that at the time but later went on to follow with the s.30 Agreement (Edinburgh Agreement).

 

Anyway, I went to see him speak at a seminar on the topic and he was absolutely riveting and engaging. He was witty, forthright and very interesting. Regardless of his politics he will be a very big asset to Holyrood. And surely that's a good thing. I don't like the Tory party nor would I vote for them, but all Holyrood parties are stuffed with pigmy politicians. Beyond the SNPs top 3 ministers the rest are pretty poor and their better eggs are in Westminster, Labour is bereft beyond its leader, Marra and Gray and the Tories and Liberals are mediocrities as are the Greens.

 

All parties (SNP included) are engaged in mucking out the bad eggs for this election. That's a good thing to me as scots deserve a better Holyrood with an effective governing party and a rigorous opposition. Not the pantomime we've had of late.

 

Tomkins is such a better candidate. Regardless of party. And he will improve Holyrood and his party to no end. He's even a bit of a republican, look for his book "How We Should Govern Ourselves" a book which proposes a parliamentary republic and a federal UK.

 

So before you dismiss him, read about him and his beliefs. The may surprise you.

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Watched the newsnught so called ex labour voters focus group thing they plumped for cooper as the leader , just had a sense they were being led in that direction by the host and by one or two in the panel who didn't seem as if they were just off the street .

A bit dodgy

Or they backed Cooper. The best candidate of the "other 3".

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Didnt say they werent.

You voting tory now?

Nope. But I've just seen your "300 years of oppression" response to failings in the SNP's record on health and education. I'd stop whilst I was behind if I was you.

 

The SNP have been in power for 8 years. There's kids starting high school now who have went through school only under the SNP and their attainment is less than those of other generations and year groups according to the statistics and test results. Ask yourself these questions:

 

Who has led the Scotland in that time?

Who has run the education system in that time?

Who should be held responsible for failings in that system?

 

Quick hint. It's not a trick question and the last answer is the same as the first two.

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Or they backed Cooper. The best candidate of the "other 3".

In What or which way, is Mrs balls the best Candidate?.
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In What or which way, is Mrs balls the best Candidate?.

In comparison to unelectable Liz and flip flop Burnham she's been a very strong advocate of universal childcare, anti austerity and equality issues this campaign. She wants to strengthen trade union laws and turn our low wage economy into a high wage one with more funding for further education.

 

Still voted Corbyn but she was my 2nd preference vote.

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Or they backed Cooper. The best candidate of the "other 3".

Did you watch it , I would say that the bald guy in one group was leading the others , and the wide guy in the others stronger character was forcing others .

Also selective use of interviews could be argued .

Clearly showing clips of Cooper talking about families and children is going to appeal to voters more so the wen on the panel better than say Corbyn talking about Bliar .

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Nope. But I've just seen your "300 years of oppression" response to failings in the SNP's record on health and education. I'd stop whilst I was behind if I was you.

 

The SNP have been in power for 8 years. There's kids starting high school now who have went through school only under the SNP and their attainment is less than those of other generations and year groups according to the statistics and test results. Ask yourself these questions:

 

Who has led the Scotland in that time?

Who has run the education system in that time?

Who should be held responsible for failings in that system?

 

Quick hint. It's not a trick question and the last answer is the same as the first two.

Labour, Labour and Labour.

A minority 4 year and a single majority term will not fix the mess labour left x2.

So wake up and smell the coffee, your mob goosed the place, The SNP will never sort Scotland under union constraints and thats exactly what these new admin regs are design to do.

So while still in oppression I wont expect the Nothern region of the Empire of England/Britain/UK to climb out of the destatution it will remain in until the glory of Indepence brings the soon to be born again Scotland.

So, I will be thankful in the small mercies of the SNP fighting to protect us from every imposed on us from WM and within.

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Labour, Labour and Labour.

A minority 4 year and a single majority term will not fix the mess labour left x2.

So wake up and smell the coffee, your mob goosed the place, The SNP will never sort Scotland under union constraints and thats exactly what these new admin regs are design to do.

So while still in oppression I wont expect the Nothern region of the Empire of England/Britain/UK to climb out of the destatution it will remain in until the glory of Indepence brings the soon to be born again Scotland.

So, I will be thankful in the small mercies of the SNP fighting to protect us from every imposed on us from WM and within.

Of course, we can't manage anything while oppressed by the UK. What nonsense. Education is what makes us become the amazing people we can be and it is that which is suffering under SNP rule. Scots have made it in the world as some of the most important people in the last 300 years and being part of the UK didn't get in the way of that.

 

So do you think the government should just let things languish until independence happens? If they try to improve things now, they would lose their "only with independence" argument.

 

They will be found out soon enough, you are so blinkered you can't see it.

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Of course, we can't manage anything while oppressed by the UK. What nonsense. Education is what makes us become the amazing people we can be and it is that which is suffering under SNP rule. Scots have made it in the world as some of the most important people in the last 300 years and being part of the UK didn't get in the way of that.

 

So do you think the government should just let things languish until independence happens? If they try to improve things now, they would lose their "only with independence" argument.

 

They will be found out soon enough, you are so blinkered you can't see it.

Best educated and most well read nation pre 1707.

Not now we're not. 308 years of 2 class citizenship.

Milked dry.

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Oh aussieh how you play to the SNP tune - never the SNP's fault always down to someone else. No doubt you'll be hoping a move to Canada is coming soon.

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Oh aussieh how you play to the SNP tune - never the SNP's fault always down to someone else. No doubt you'll be hoping a move to Canada is coming soon.

Independence, of that I have no doubt.

The FM will in time take her place, alongside our great liberators of times past.

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Independence, of that I have no doubt.

The FM will in time take her place, alongside our great liberators of times past.

 

Is it independence at any cost for you? i.e. would you be happy to pay much higher taxes if required?

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Labour, Labour and Labour.

A minority 4 year and a single majority term will not fix the mess labour left x2.

So wake up and smell the coffee, your mob goosed the place, The SNP will never sort Scotland under union constraints and thats exactly what these new admin regs are design to do.

So while still in oppression I wont expect the Nothern region of the Empire of England/Britain/UK to climb out of the destatution it will remain in until the glory of Indepence brings the soon to be born again Scotland.

So, I will be thankful in the small mercies of the SNP fighting to protect us from every imposed on us from WM and within.

Labour has been out of office since 2007.

Labour has not run education since then.

Labour is not the answer.

 

I'm afraid I'm not prepared to give 300 years to any party. Albeit I'd be dead.

 

Scotland as we know was made by the union. But we made the union more so than much of the wider UK.

 

No party is perfect. But no government can be excused for failure.

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When I studied constitutional law at uni it was around the time of the SNP minority administration and we were going through what was then called "A Conversation for Scotland", their first botched attempt at independence in the run up to the 2011 election.

 

I was at Edinburgh and Prof Tomkins was a Glasgow lecturer. We had Prof Tierny, nice guy who would later advise the SNP. The academic debate at the time was excellent. But I always thought that Tomkins was the more open and honest writer on the independence debate, which was then the legality of a vote being held.

 

Tomkins was saying hold it, but without the UK governments backing it won't be legally binding. The SNP rejected that at the time but later went on to follow with the s.30 Agreement (Edinburgh Agreement).

 

Anyway, I went to see him speak at a seminar on the topic and he was absolutely riveting and engaging. He was witty, forthright and very interesting. Regardless of his politics he will be a very big asset to Holyrood. And surely that's a good thing. I don't like the Tory party nor would I vote for them, but all Holyrood parties are stuffed with pigmy politicians. Beyond the SNPs top 3 ministers the rest are pretty poor and their better eggs are in Westminster, Labour is bereft beyond its leader, Marra and Gray and the Tories and Liberals are mediocrities as are the Greens.

 

All parties (SNP included) are engaged in mucking out the bad eggs for this election. That's a good thing to me as scots deserve a better Holyrood with an effective governing party and a rigorous opposition. Not the pantomime we've had of late.

 

Tomkins is such a better candidate. Regardless of party. And he will improve Holyrood and his party to no end. He's even a bit of a republican, look for his book "How We Should Govern Ourselves" a book which proposes a parliamentary republic and a federal UK.

 

So before you dismiss him, read about him and his beliefs. The may surprise you.

 

Yes I agree with you that the Scots deserve better, but Labour have only themselves to blame for the SNP be in power, thats why Labour  got beat in the last Holyrood elections and thrashed in this year's General Election, the SNP were taking seats away from the Labour Party who had massive majorities, likes of Fife and Central Scotland, it was history making stuff.

 

Like I have said in previous posts the SNP have made mistakes in power,  but if the people of Scotland didn't think they were doing a good job,  at this year's General Election the people of Scotland could have sent a message to the SNP, but they sent a message to the Labour Party and that's why the SNP did so well in this year's General Election.               

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Is it independence at any cost for you? i.e. would you be happy to pay much higher taxes if required?

Id give it all.
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When I studied constitutional law at uni it was around the time of the SNP minority administration and we were going through what was then called "A Conversation for Scotland", their first botched attempt at independence in the run up to the 2011 election.

 

I was at Edinburgh and Prof Tomkins was a Glasgow lecturer. We had Prof Tierny, nice guy who would later advise the SNP. The academic debate at the time was excellent. But I always thought that Tomkins was the more open and honest writer on the independence debate, which was then the legality of a vote being held.

 

Tomkins was saying hold it, but without the UK governments backing it won't be legally binding. The SNP rejected that at the time but later went on to follow with the s.30 Agreement (Edinburgh Agreement).

 

Anyway, I went to see him speak at a seminar on the topic and he was absolutely riveting and engaging. He was witty, forthright and very interesting. Regardless of his politics he will be a very big asset to Holyrood. And surely that's a good thing. I don't like the Tory party nor would I vote for them, but all Holyrood parties are stuffed with pigmy politicians. Beyond the SNPs top 3 ministers the rest are pretty poor and their better eggs are in Westminster, Labour is bereft beyond its leader, Marra and Gray and the Tories and Liberals are mediocrities as are the Greens.

 

All parties (SNP included) are engaged in mucking out the bad eggs for this election. That's a good thing to me as scots deserve a better Holyrood with an effective governing party and a rigorous opposition. Not the pantomime we've had of late.

 

Tomkins is such a better candidate. Regardless of party. And he will improve Holyrood and his party to no end. He's even a bit of a republican, look for his book "How We Should Govern Ourselves" a book which proposes a parliamentary republic and a federal UK.

 

So before you dismiss him, read about him and his beliefs. The may surprise you.

He used to espouse socialism I believe. I'm sure he's a very bright and engaging fellow but he appears to have an uncanny ability to follow which way the wind blows at any given time.

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He used to espouse socialism I believe. I'm sure he's a very bright and engaging fellow but he appears to have an uncanny ability to follow which way the wind blows at any given time .

Like the SNP then? ;)

 

I'd say being in the Tories in Scotland is pretty against that characterisation. Ask Tasmina Sheik MP, she's been in every party but the Greens it seems!

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Yes I agree with you that the Scots deserve better, but Labour have only themselves to blame for the SNP be in power, thats why Labour got beat in the last Holyrood elections and thrashed in this year's General Election, the SNP were taking seats away from the Labour Party who had massive majorities, likes of Fife and Central Scotland, it was history making stuff.

 

Like I have said in previous posts the SNP have made mistakes in power, but if the people of Scotland didn't think they were doing a good job, at this year's General Election the people of Scotland could have sent a message to the SNP, but they sent a message to the Labour Party and that's why the SNP did so well in this year's General Election.

Ok... Don't necessarily disagree with you. People voted SNP. Good on them. Doesn't mean they and other parties don't need to improve their calibre of candidates. I'd say the SNP have a dilemma in that most of their best candidates are down at Westminster not Holyrood.

 

But aye, power to you.

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When I studied constitutional law at uni it was around the time of the SNP minority administration and we were going through what was then called "A Conversation for Scotland", their first botched attempt at independence in the run up to the 2011 election.

 

I was at Edinburgh and Prof Tomkins was a Glasgow lecturer. We had Prof Tierny, nice guy who would later advise the SNP. The academic debate at the time was excellent. But I always thought that Tomkins was the more open and honest writer on the independence debate, which was then the legality of a vote being held.

 

Tomkins was saying hold it, but without the UK governments backing it won't be legally binding. The SNP rejected that at the time but later went on to follow with the s.30 Agreement (Edinburgh Agreement).

 

Anyway, I went to see him speak at a seminar on the topic and he was absolutely riveting and engaging. He was witty, forthright and very interesting. Regardless of his politics he will be a very big asset to Holyrood. And surely that's a good thing. I don't like the Tory party nor would I vote for them, but all Holyrood parties are stuffed with pigmy politicians. Beyond the SNPs top 3 ministers the rest are pretty poor and their better eggs are in Westminster, Labour is bereft beyond its leader, Marra and Gray and the Tories and Liberals are mediocrities as are the Greens.

 

All parties (SNP included) are engaged in mucking out the bad eggs for this election. That's a good thing to me as scots deserve a better Holyrood with an effective governing party and a rigorous opposition. Not the pantomime we've had of late.

 

Tomkins is such a better candidate. Regardless of party. And he will improve Holyrood and his party to no end. He's even a bit of a republican, look for his book "How We Should Govern Ourselves" a book which proposes a parliamentary republic and a federal UK.

 

So before you dismiss him, read about him and his beliefs. The may surprise you.

Is your repeated and strenuous support for Tories and their party likely to negate your vote in the leadership election?

 

I've researched him before dismissing him. There is some drivel on his blog and Peat Worrier criticises his constitutional understanding but crucially he comes over as an arrogant, intolerant buffoon who will not easily endear himself to most Scots. I've listened to him talking to Select Committees and on TV and rather than riveting and engaging I found him condescending, supercilious and sneering. The Tories and New Labour will love him

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Ok... Don't necessarily disagree with you. People voted SNP. Good on them. Doesn't mean they and other parties don't need to improve their calibre of candidates. I'd say the SNP have a dilemma in that most of their best candidates are down at Westminster not Holyrood.

 

But aye, power to you.

 

I agree, most of the best of the SNP candidates are down in Westminster, a bit like the Labour Party a few years ago.

I totally agree with you that the SNP have dilemma on that one, only time will tell?  

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Is your repeated and strenuous support for Tories and their party likely to negate your vote in the leadership election?

 

I've researched him before dismissing him. There is some drivel on his blog and Peat Worrier criticises his constitutional understanding but crucially he comes over as an arrogant, intolerant buffoon who will not easily endear himself to most Scots. I've listened to him talking to Select Committees and on TV and rather than riveting and engaging I found him condescending, supercilious and sneering. The Tories and New Labour will love him

I like your posts Coco. Dive straight in to attacking me. Fair play. I'll answer reasonably.

 

My point was on the fact that the parties are in general attracting better candidates for Holyrood. Which is excellent.

 

I'm a huge fan of strong politicians and strong candidates. I like Tommy Shepherd and Joanna Cherry. I think Jamie Hepburn MSP has also been a stand out back bencher for his party. The Liberal Tim Farron I have time for, I also think Tavish Scott has been a good performer at Holyrood and that Willie Rennie has been right to stick to his guns on Police Scotland and education in Scotland, he was ahead of the pack in his criticism of these policy areas. Kezia Dugdale and Jenny Marra have been bright lights for Labour in bleak times and Neil Findlay has been a passionate campaigner for his causes, ahead of his own party Nd the wider Holyrood establishment on black listing, housing and the cost of living.

 

What's your problem with me appreciating strong politicians who contribute to Scottish political life well.

 

I have a lot of time for Tomkins as an academic. I've seen him speak and I've never thought him too sneering or whatever. He was quite witty. In fact a friend of mine studied in his class and found him personable. I think Salmond was bombastic, argumentative, disagreeable and up him self, but I know people who've met him and have a different view entirely.

 

Tomkins is a divisive academic. It's why I and other students were drawn to his work. I was taught by a man who held opposite views and often did his work down. In that field you need to take all views on and form your own, as I did. I know people who don't like him at all, as I say he's divisive. Peat Worrier will disagree with him and others will too. But that's academia. All valid in their views. Form yours from a broad range of sources.

 

Anyway, I voted for Corbyn. Can't be much further from New Labour triangulation politics the SNP have adopted than that!

 

But, aye Holyrood should be improved from higher calibre candidates in all parties. All I'm saying.

 

Have a good one Coco!

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I agree, most of the best of the SNP candidates are down in Westminster, a bit like the Labour Party a few years ago.

I totally agree with you that the SNP have dilemma on that one, only time will tell?

Yup totally true.

 

Thanks.

 

I'm looking forward to the clear out of a lot of poor politicians at Holyrood next year and better ones stepping up. Will be good for all scots regardless of your views.

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:lol: the UN?

 

My prediction is that we'll hear little more about this as they discover that the UK has one of the most developed and comprehensive welfare systems in the developed world.

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[emoji38] the UN?

 

My prediction is that we'll hear little more about this as they discover that the UK has one of the most developed and comprehensive welfare systems in the developed world.

Which the conservative party of government seeks to undermine and dismantle, sorry reform, at every turn.

 

If they could get away with it they'd wind the welfare state up tomorrow and we'd be right back in the 18th century.

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Which the conservative party of government seeks to undermine and dismantle, sorry reform, at every turn.

 

If they could get away with it they'd wind the welfare state up tomorrow and we'd be right back in the 18th century.

Welfare needed reformed. I'm sure we all agree on that.

 

Whether the Tories have done it well only time will tell

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Welfare needed reformed. I'm sure we all agree on that.

 

Whether the Tories have done it well only time will tell

The Welfare System does need reformed back to being a health and welfare system free at the point of delivery. What it hasn't needed has been successive governments trying to privatise parts of it and turn them into businesses generally for the benefit of party contributors and grandees and not the poor sods needing help.

Companies like Atos have no place in our health and welfare system.

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Watched the Labour leader debate on Sky last night and I've got to say, Corbyn wiped the floor with all three of them.

 

Labour have got a massive problem now. Vote for Corbyn and they're going miles towards the left, which most existing MPs don't want to. But vote for anyone else and it's basically an admission that the party would rather plod along in the same old uninspiring mould than be open to something fresh.

 

I'm certain now that Corbyn will win and looking at the three alternatives last night, I think they know it too. Interesting times ahead.

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Watched the Labour leader debate on Sky last night and I've got to say, Corbyn wiped the floor with all three of them.

 

Labour have got a massive problem now. Vote for Corbyn and they're going miles towards the left, which most existing MPs don't want to. But vote for anyone else and it's basically an admission that the party would rather plod along in the same old uninspiring mould than be open to something fresh.

 

I'm certain now that Corbyn will win and looking at the three alternatives last night, I think they know it too. Interesting times ahead.

 

He received 80% of the vote for who won the debate so you are very much in the majority.

 

The rest of them come across as absolutely spineless, I wouldn't trust Andy Burnham as far as I could throw him.

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Yup totally true.

 

Thanks.

 

I'm looking forward to the clear out of a lot of poor politicians at Holyrood next year and better ones stepping up. Will be good for all scots regardless of your views.

The SNP need to decide whether they want to represent 100% of Scottish people at Westminster, or want Independence, in which case they should withdraw from Westminster.     Its a silly notion that they can achieve both, and furthermore one counterracts the other.

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Watched the Labour leader debate on Sky last night and I've got to say, Corbyn wiped the floor with all three of them.

 

Labour have got a massive problem now. Vote for Corbyn and they're going miles towards the left, which most existing MPs don't want to. But vote for anyone else and it's basically an admission that the party would rather plod along in the same old uninspiring mould than be open to something fresh.

 

I'm certain now that Corbyn will win and looking at the three alternatives last night, I think they know it too. Interesting times ahead.

Agreed that Corbyn will win, and rightly so. For all the talk of Corbyn being unelectable, so are the other 3. Burnham is an uninspiring empty suit who is flip flopping all over the shop with policy. Cooper, full of meaningless soundbites, who thinks she should become leader based on the fact she has a vagina. I'm still trying to work out what Kendall is doing in the Labour party, she's more to the right than some of the folk on the opposite bench.

 

I disagree that they'll go miles left though. Reckon Corybn will offer the olive branch to the Blairites who will reign him in a bit. They'll still be much more left than they have been though.

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The SNP need to decide whether they want to represent 100% of Scottish people at Westminster, or want Independence, in which case they should withdraw from Westminster. Its a silly notion that they can achieve both, and furthermore one counterracts the other.

And be a Scottish Sinn Feinn? Interesting idea. I can see why it makes sense, but then it removes the ability to be a nuisance and play games between the opposition and government which do benefit them. And they aren't unique in Europe for being a breakaway movement taking seats in the parliament they want away from - Catalan and Basque nationalists take seats in Madrid for example.

 

My point wasn't so much aimed at the SNP. It was a point about the quality of members in Holyrood. Scotland is slowly creeping towards greater autonomy here with a corresponding impact at Westminster of a smaller voice. Which, I think, is actually fair. I'd even begin to question the need for a Scottish Secretary, I do the need for a Welsh one as well.

 

However, more power in Holyrood requires a higher calibre of representative and perhaps more MSPs (at the next boundary review planned Scotland will likely loose seats) to provide more depth and a better balance between a growing executive in the Scottish Government. I'd also change the voting system to STV, the parliament is designed to be proportional and representative, not confrontational. Plus you'd remove a two tier MSP system between constituent MSPs and list ones.

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:lol: the UN?

My prediction is that we'll hear little more about this as they discover that the UK had one of the most developed and comprehensive welfare systems in the developed world.

 

FTFY

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Interesting and depressing article from Independence supporting Gerry Hassan in the Sunday Mail today saying Holyrood is merely a talking shop with power concentrated and applied by Government and its Civil Servants. And Scotland is the most centralised country in the Western World and nothing is said to challenge the executive by the Parliament. Made worse IMO by those in power wielding it to do little or nothing to address Scotlands needs but merely to protect their own backs.

 

Thats not what we voted for in Holyrood elections or the Referendums on devolution or independence.

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Interesting and depressing article from Independence supporting Gerry Hassan in the Sunday Mail today saying Holyrood is merely a talking shop with power concentrated and applied by Government and its Civil Servants. And Scotland is the most centralised country in the Western World and nothing is said to challenge the executive by the Parliament. Made worse IMO by those in power wielding it to do little or nothing to address Scotlands needs but merely to protect their own backs.

 

Thats not what we voted for in Holyrood elections or the Referendums on devolution or independence.

Good, and may it last forever and ever.

Whilst inside this lopsided joke of a democracy, that is the UK.

You have the union, we'll have holyrood.

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Interesting and depressing article from Independence supporting Gerry Hassan in the Sunday Mail today saying Holyrood is merely a talking shop with power concentrated and applied by Government and its Civil Servants. And Scotland is the most centralised country in the Western World and nothing is said to challenge the executive by the Parliament. Made worse IMO by those in power wielding it to do little or nothing to address Scotlands needs but merely to protect their own backs.

 

Thats not what we voted for in Holyrood elections or the Referendums on devolution or independence.

In smaller countries, elites are generally more interconnected, smaller as a group and more defensive of their interests. Scotland has not really reviewed how it's health, education, local government and central government works and relates to the people since the 1970s. It's now time for ministers at Holyrood to give power out to local government over public health, organising education, developing public transport, economic development and elements of welfare to local government.

 

Although I would change how local government is structured and funded before devolving more power at once. Perhaps even keep 32 small district councils as is with 8 large regional authorities based on the regional list boundaries. Only exceptions being the island communities who would be independent of regional councils but have the eater powers of those bodies.

 

In that way you devolve power away and out of Holyrood. Making it less managerial and able to focus on the bigger picture. Whilst allowing for local policies to meet local needs.

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Well, this ridiculous Labour election ends tomorrow:

 

Burnham stitched up by the Sun this morning:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/11/burnham-denies-cash-access-tabloid-sting-corbyn-disaster-labour-sun

I thought the BBC was impartial, panorama did a number on Corbyn by the looks if it.
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