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Spellczech

You can see the sense in waiting 6 months now. In January we were all arguing about various names not being good enough whereas now we would unanimously accept just about any person who is a proper manager...

 

In January I was saying that McGhee always starts new roles well and then things tail off quickly and he gets sacked or leaves. Now I just say "Yep, let?s hope it?s him"...

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Lord BJ

Great news if true. Like others I do not believe McGee would come unless given the requisite assurances.

 

Though, I will wait to the scarve is above the head before I get carried away.

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IMA MAROON
Maybe the non-renewers should get some credit for making Vlad listen if a manager is put in place who Vlad gives control and a free hand for signings?

 

It is an absolute nap that the non-renewers are going to claim the credit. Can't wait to see them do so, should be a laugh. :)

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Das Root

Good news if true, though I'm waiting to see that scarf aloft :)

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jack D and coke
And he might get sacked 10 games into the season.

 

That will be my biggest fear. I'm also a bit cynical that this could be to boost pish poor season ticket sales. Not like he's told us lies before either ay. Dont get carried away people but i'm hoping like a b*****d some sanity might be returning to tynecastle at long last. How long can he keep his neb out though you've got to ask yourself.

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stephs
Audrey did IIRC go back to Kaunas then came back did he not ?

 

Was he not spotted in a Kaunas strip collecting a trophy ?

 

Correct, Shammy did go back and he himself didn't think he was coming back.

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Jammy T
It is an absolute nap that the non-renewers are going to claim the credit. Can't wait to see them do so, should be a laugh. :)

 

Well it would be an interesting new phase in the civil war between fans

 

To be fair we've gone into the last 3 seasons needing a new manager

 

This is the only close season there has been any talk of a large element of non-renewal...

 

However, can I ask why there should be any begrudgement between Hearts fans on this?

 

If we get a new manager who has full control could it not just be the case that we all say - well maybe the non-renewals did have an impact? It cant be proven that they did and it cant be proven that they didnt, so there wouldnt be any point fighting over it?

 

This is all hypothetical of course as we dont have a manager yet

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coppercrutch

Cant believe people still talk about team control with a new manager !!

 

They will have detailed contracts. If a proper manager wants the hearts job they will simply have a clause that says any interference and they walk away scot free with ?1 million (Or more) in their back pocket !!

 

Not difficult to do for a lawyer who specialises in these things I imagine..

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Buffalo Bill

I would be deighted if this was true, ad McGhee has been my first choice from the start of this mess.

 

I don't give a monkey's ass about his Theltic-mindedness, his lack of loyalty to Leicester or the barrowload of goals he stuck past us in the 80s.

 

I just think he'd be a very solid manager for Heart of Midlothian FC.

 

Buffalo Bill

 

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Cliffundo
It is an absolute nap that the non-renewers are going to claim the credit. Can't wait to see them do so, should be a laugh. :)

 

Some folk are sad! Vlad knew the pressure was on...to appoint a proper manager, whats to say if there was no unrest we woulnt have just been given Frail fulltime?

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Swanny17

I don't know why everyone is getting so excited. Just wait and see what happens, as no doubt there will be some sort of complication and we'll end up with Frail.

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scottish_chicP

I will renew if its true. I feel slightly excited and hopeful but don't want to build my hopes too high

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chester copperpot

The cynic in me tells me that its a 'leak' from within the club to help boost ST sales.

 

The other part of me so wants it to be true. I had one rather concrete bit of evidence supplied to me by a prominent poster on here, so I'm tempted to jump back on the bandwagon again.

 

Was renewing anyway, but will be more than happy if Vlad has seen sense.

 

Hell might freeze over first, but I will be back aboard the happy train if this is true. Choo choo.

 

Me, fickle, never.

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Walter Bishop
It is an absolute nap that the non-renewers are going to claim the credit. Can't wait to see them do so, should be a laugh. :)

 

Rightfully so !!! Had we all been like you Frail would have been/may still be in the dug out next season!!!!

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ando

wee robbo said MM is a done deal at the charity match yesterday

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BRY

That's the strongest story I've yet seen about this rumour - I really hope it comes true!

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The Old Tolbooth
Some folk are sad! Vlad knew the pressure was on...to appoint a proper manager, whats to say if there was no unrest we woulnt have just been given Frail fulltime?

 

Who knows if the non renewals had any impact or not, however I still won't be renewing until it is absolutely confirmed and 100% set in stone because anything is possible with Vlad and things go tits up very quickly with this man.

 

I'd like to think that the non renewal of season tickets had an impact, however I would also like to believe that we just couldn't go in for MM because of the tragic events surrounding Phil O'Donnell as he simply couldn't walk away at that time, but had been talking to us prior to that happening.

 

I guess the truth may come out one day.

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Dagger Is Back

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Jury is still out for me on MM. There have been loads of one season wonders.

 

Best bit about this if true is that MM must have been given guarantees from VR about autonomy and that for me would be the best news not necessarily MM being appointed.

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JamboAl
Maybe the non-renewers should get some credit for making Vlad listen if a manager is put in place who Vlad gives control and a free hand for signings?

 

I very much doubt it. If MM is appointed it would be reasonable to assume the M'well/P O'D situation caused the delay. The season ticket adverts even asked punters to "Make your Mark",

Still Vlad will be glad of all the extra ?30 and ?40 from the late renewers.

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PresidentRomanov

Poor stuff from Mr Romanov.

 

I still say he should've appointed anyone months ago, to keep the kickbackers happy :)

 

Waiting all this time to get the right man is poor management :P

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Guest GhostHunter

Is Mcghee better or worse a manager than an unknown (quantity, at the time) Burley was ?

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IMA MAROON
Some folk are sad! Vlad knew the pressure was on...to appoint a proper manager, whats to say if there was no unrest we woulnt have just been given Frail fulltime?

 

 

Yes, the pressure was on. Vlad would not be happy for us to finish in 8th place every season.

 

Frail was not good enough. I wanted him to succeed but he was not up to the task.

 

Vlad has to make changes.

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hhjambo
Maybe the non-renewers should get some credit for making Vlad listen if a manager is put in place who Vlad gives control and a free hand for signings?

To be fair to VR. If the rumours are true then he started talking to McGhee long before ST renewal time.

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Gambo
Maybe the non-renewers should get some credit for making Vlad listen if a manager is put in place who Vlad gives control and a free hand for signings?

 

Or maybe the renewers should get credit for sticking by VR and giving him a chance? ;)

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ronnie_fife
My name was Brian McGhee, I sat up listening to Queen, when I was 17

 

Not sure what to make of this - could be another PR rumour released into the wild to boost sales. When I see Brian McGhee at Tynecastle with a Hearts scarf above his head then i might believe it.

 

Tremendous. When I was 17, I drank some very good beer, I drank some very good beer I purchased with a fake ID. My name was Brian Mcgee, I stayed up listening to Queen, when I was 17.

 

I've got a horrible hangover and you've just turned my frown upside down.

 

Thank you.

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ToadKiller Dog
Rightfully so !!! Had we all been like you Frail would have been/may still be in the dug out next season!!!!

 

Given that there are posters saying that the club have been in contact with Mcghee and others going back to February,given that the club have stated that they were happy with ST sales ,given that Frail never at any time looked like or stated that he expected to get the job,Also given that nobody has been appointed yet!

What hard evidence do you have to make such a claim?

What slim evidence there is points to the fact that the statement made at the new year might just be getting stuck to.

As usual time will tell.

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suds66

Lets just wait and see, remember, how many times have the fans been built up to expect something big in the wake of a major anouncement story!!

 

I hope i'ts true, another season like that and they way the clubs being run, I'll be seeing the Samaritans!

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chester copperpot
Is Mcghee better or worse a manager than an unknown (quantity, at the time) Burley was ?

 

 

 

Burley's scouting system was second to none mate.

 

In terms of coaching ability, they seem quite similar. I'd like an aggresive, fast passing, pressing style.

 

Getting ahead of myself the now though.

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coppercrutch
Is Mcghee better or worse a manager than an unknown (quantity, at the time) Burley was ?

 

I would say better. We know he can do a good job with a semi decent group of players. At this moment that would be a godsend to our club. If he is given even a wee bit of cash at Hearts he could do very well.

 

Again the only doubt may be around his 'stickability' but hey that is the World we live in.

 

If he is announced next week I am renewing. I imagine there are more than 5k other people in the same situation. Or is that an exaggeration ?

 

PS. Trying not to get excited about this is difficult..

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Jammy T
I very much doubt it. If MM is appointed it would be reasonable to assume the M'well/P O'D situation caused the delay. The season ticket adverts even asked punters to "Make your Mark",

Still Vlad will be glad of all the extra ?30 and ?40 from the late renewers.

 

So the late renewers will have benefitted the club and are therefore better fans than the early birds?? :P

 

As I said - couldnt be proven either way

 

There wasnt talk of any ticket boycott when we were talking to any serious manager since Burley was emptied and we didnt sign any serious manager.

 

I think its safe to assume Romanov would continue with the "Frail" / Kaunas type appointment if he felt he could get away with it.

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Jambotommy

I already said this on a thread about a month or so ago.

 

He will be officially announced in June.

 

Why wouldn't you believe me...:confused:

 

I'll try to find the thread.

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Ruud Krol
Or maybe the renewers should get credit for sticking by VR and giving him a chance? ;)

 

It would be nice if this thread didnt descend into a sheep v hatkick slagging match. :)

 

Hope to god Donkey isnt getting too carried away and is "110% " on this.

 

Please let it be true :cool:

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Dr. Bapswent

Do we all throw a fit, crying about being promised McGhee, how the club has lied to us again and we are being treated like dumb fools....they had no intention of getting a real manager?

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Poker God

My mate was refereeing a cup final at tynie on Thursday. He was talking to a member of the Heats staff, and they told him MM was the next Hearts manager.

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coppercrutch
It would be nice if this thread didnt descend into a sheep v hatkick slagging match. :)

 

Hope to god Donkey isnt getting too carried away and is "110% " on this.

 

Please let it be true :cool:

 

Indeed !! Let the hat kickers and Sheep rejoice together !! Maybe we can have a big hatsheep orgy to consumate our new found love....:dribble:

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Debtor

No, but we should demand, loud and clear that Vlad leaves.

If the club then dies let it die with dignity and not a slow death caused by crass stupidity!

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The Future's Maroon
The bigger picture, if true, then, is that VR has agreed to the terms that MM would have demanded...

 

1. Full Control of the team

2. Money to spend on his own players.

 

In terms of 2) - MM wanted money to spend on players at 'well, and was denied, so if he's agreed to come, then it must infer that VR has authorised a budget for MM to spend.

 

He never struck me as the sort of manager who would bow to any interference, so I suppose it's a huge plus that now at least, the story seems to be panning out to be true.

Like the rest of us, I really hope this is true.

 

Can I also add condition 3..... MM gets to bring in his own coaching/backroom staff....am sure that was rumoured to be a stumbling block also?

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Guest GhostHunter
PS. Trying not to get excited about this is difficult..

 

Correct - it IS difficult...

 

And that's not taking into account, the thought that, would MM be the right choice under normal circumstances, or are we that jaded, that we take him only because he's better than the current regime.....

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Spellczech
No, but we should demand, loud and clear that Vlad leaves.

If the club then dies let it die with dignity and not a slow death caused by crass stupidity!

 

Don?t be daft. Nobody and nothing dies with dignity. You can die without dignity but dying ain?t good for anyone!

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Jammy T
Or maybe the renewers should get credit for sticking by VR and giving him a chance? ;)

 

Well exactly

 

Thats the point I'm making

 

Maybe Vlad was broken hearted by the split between the fans and realised he needed to unite everyone and move forward.

 

Maybe Vlad said to himself - I know fans have renewed every season in great numbers and I have never done the right thing and appointed a proper manager but now that numbers are a little lower now is the time to reward the real Hearts fans by getting a proper manager

 

Maybe Vlad said to himself - I'm sick of reading about this stupid cost cutting project on JKB and I am happy paying somebody ?350k per year to run the club, hopefully that will shut that nonsense up

 

There is no answer, there is no proof either way, but why should it matter IF we get a manager through the door with full control, transfer autonomy and at least the full season uninterfered with to prove himself?

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Commander Harris
WOULD A FLY WITHOUT WINGS BE CALLED A WALK?

 

depends on whether it could fly or not.

 

as for the OP - hopefully this thread will prove to be irrelevant.

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footieman

Nothing like a good bit of speculation to get the masses on here carried away. :(

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IMA MAROON
Rightfully so !!! Had we all been like you Frail would have been/may still be in the dug out next season!!!!

 

That is like saying Vlad is happy for us to finish 8th.

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Dr. Bapswent
depends on whether it could fly or not.

 

as for the OP - hopefully this thread will prove to be irrelevant.

 

Hopefully.

 

But the point is, I have not seen any confirmation from the club about approaching McGhee (or have I missed something?) but with the amount of threads on it etc, like many of the other broken promises, somethign that was not an actual official club statement could be made into 'fact' and another reason for people to feel aggreived - no matter how unjustly.

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Jammy T

Well I think we would at least be able to establish that the club uses media leaks as a way of trying to influence / control the fans by way of propaganda

 

And hopefully Donkey would never rely upon his source again - as most people appear to trust his judgement on this.

 

Who was it that said the MM deal was dead because he wasnt getting the control he wanted?

 

Maybe Vlad went back and said - you still dont get the control but here's and extra ?150k per annum?

 

Maybe McGhee said to himself - that will do me until the Celtic gig comes up

 

If that added 5000 season tickets to the....ahem.....7000 already bought then its a good financial deal for both parties.

 

Nothing is proven by anything at Hearts these days - but it doesn stop a good old barnie about it all

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Geoff Kilpatrick
I don't know why everyone is getting so excited. Just wait and see what happens, as no doubt there will be some sort of complication and we'll end up with Frail.

 

Correct. I foresee a "Hleb is coming" type scenario.

 

If it is true that McGhee has negotiated a budget for his own players and the club have agreed terms on that basis, Vlad will NOT be happy on past experience. Burley had a budget of sorts, spent well (bar Pospisil) but then Vlad realised his imports (bar Fyssas and Jankausas, natch) had no route into the team.

 

If this dawns on Vlad now, expect the complications to arise.

 

Again, scarves above heads on the HMFC website are the confirmation required.

 

Incidentally, before someone "labels" me, can I just point out that I hope that he is appointed and my scepticism is misplaced?

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hughesie27

Who promised him?

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Commander Harris
Hopefully.

 

But the point is, I have not seen any confirmation from the club about approaching McGhee (or have I missed something?) but with the amount of threads on it etc, like many of the other broken promises, somethign that was not an actual official club statement could be made into 'fact' and another reason for people to feel aggreived - no matter how unjustly.

ah, but it will have been a leak by that evil PR man to fool us all into renewing on nothing but a rumour!

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Dr. Bapswent
Well I think we would at least be able to establish that the club uses media leaks as a way of trying to influence / control the fans by way of propaganda

 

And hopefully Donkey would never rely upon his source again - as most people appear to trust his judgement on this.

 

Who was it that said the MM deal was dead because he wasnt getting the control he wanted?

 

Maybe Vlad went back and said - you still dont get the control but here's and extra ?150k per annum?

 

If that added 5000 season tickets to the....ahem.....7000 already bought then its a good financial deal for both parties.

 

Nothing is proven by anything at Hearts these days - but it doesn stop a good old barnie about it all

 

I said that, but did not reveal who I heard it from.

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Father Tiresias
Well exactly

 

Thats the point I'm making

 

Maybe Vlad was broken hearted by the split between the fans and realised he needed to unite everyone and move forward.

 

Maybe Vlad said to himself - I know fans have renewed every season in great numbers and I have never done the right thing and appointed a proper manager but now that numbers are a little lower now is the time to reward the real Hearts fans by getting a proper manager

 

Maybe Vlad said to himself - I'm sick of reading about this stupid cost cutting project on JKB and I am happy paying somebody ?350k per year to run the club, hopefully that will shut that nonsense up

 

There is no answer, there is no proof either way, but why should it matter IF we get a manager through the door with full control, transfer autonomy and at least the full season uninterfered with to prove himself?

 

Or Maybe Vlad was a little disappointed in the ST sales so he's released this nugget into the media!!!

 

Let's not get too carried away until the manager, whoever he is, is getting his picture taken with a Hearts scarf above his head at Tynecastle.

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