TheMaganator Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11252821/Paedophiles-We-need-to-support-the-good-ones.html Programme starting on c4 at 9pm, 'the paedophile next door' Should be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Shed please!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Big move for the guy to come out like this. Can't help but think he's just made himself a target for all sorts of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Sorry mods - can you move to the Shed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Brass Eye - The Pedo-Files: http://youtu.be/dRZo8CHsgp8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Big move for the guy to come out like this. Can't help but think he's just made himself a target for all sorts of abuse.I tend to agree. Brave lad. I don't think you can help who you're attracted to - the problem is, with paedophiles, in order for them to get their fill - there always has to be a victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It's mental illness. Section him for his own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Pretty irresponsible of Channel 4 this I think. There is no way this guy is going to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc-jambo Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 interesting that the OP is the main voice for No on the Shed guess it just shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Christ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Christ... Example of a good paedo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If people like this come forward then they absolutely should be helped. For me, the most pertinent part of that article is where she mentions that they're far more likely to offend if ignored. My impression of paedophilia is that it's not just about the sexual desire, but the exercise of power over those too weak to fight back. For that reason I find it very difficult not to see even paedophiles whp don't act on their desires as intrinsically unpleasant. Ultimately, though, the important thing for society to do is protect children by making them less likely to offend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 If I've got this right, this guy has never acted on it so then surely he's not on the offenders list/never been convicted etc, so how in that case did c4 find him for this programme? Stick up a "Paedophile Wanted" sign on their website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I presume he's getting some form of counselling/therapy for his urges. Probably but that information would surely be confidential so unable legally for C4 to obtain, I seriously doubt his councillor/psychiatrist would recommend going on TV would help in any way either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Brass Eye - The Pedo-Files: http://youtu.be/dRZo8CHsgp8 "They don't need punishment - they need gun-ishment" Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Very thought provoking stuff. I agree with some of the stuff contained in it, I guess if there was a way we could encourage paedophiles to come forward before commiting a crime there would be less victims in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashgenerator Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Looking forward to watching this from a professional point of view (I work in mental health). What I've read so far in response to the programme has been people saying that individuals with these urges, who have not acted on them, should be able to access help (which I totally agree with). There is already at least one charity that will work with people concerned about their own harmful sexual behaviour. The Lucy Faithful Foundation. http://lucyfaithfull.org I think there's a really important distinction between those people who know that their sexual attraction to children is wrong, and do not intend to act on these desires, and those who know it is wrong but don't care. There's also probably a group who are somewhere between the two. It's a really complex issue, but any programmes that get us to think about the issue in a more thoughtful, careful way than the usual 'hang the paedo' stuff from the Sun etc has got to be a good thing. For me, preventing children from being abused in the future is more important than society/individual's desire for retribution, though I obviously recognise that it's an incredibly emotive issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I find it hard to understand how folk can be really understanding of a paedophile who can control their urges but call one who can't a filthy beast or whatever. Surely if it's a mental health problem then it's not as simple as telling someone "you have to control these wild urges you have" You wouldn't tell a drug addict or an alcoholic to just control it so why is it any different for these people? It's refreshing to hear that there are people out there that when they have this problem can identify it's wrong and seek help but a lot of people who are attracted to kids think what they're doing is completely natural, it's clearly a mental health issue and not a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I find it hard to understand how folk can be really understanding of a paedophile who can control their urges but call one who can't a filthy beast or whatever. Surely if it's a mental health problem then it's not as simple as telling someone "you have to control these wild urges you have" You wouldn't tell a drug addict or an alcoholic to just control it so why is it any different for these people? It's refreshing to hear that there are people out there that when they have this problem can identify it's wrong and seek help but a lot of people who are attracted to kids think what they're doing is completely natural, it's clearly a mental health issue and not a choice. Because it's fiddling kids, isn't it? Having sick thoughts are different to acting on them. If a drug addict fails to resist his urge, he's only harming himself, so the urge is easier to succumb to. A paedophile has to make the conscious decision to act on their urge with the full knowledge that they're going to have to harm a child/children to do that. Completely different, not even remotely comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Because it's fiddling kids, isn't it? Having sick thoughts are different to acting on them. If a drug addict fails to resist his urge, he's only harming himself, so the urge is easier to succumb to. A paedophile has to make the conscious decision to act on their urge with the full knowledge that they're going to have to harm a child/children to do that. Completely different, not even remotely comparable.It makes complete sense to you not to do it because your brain works "properly." I wasn't talking about the outcome of the actions either I was talking about how their heids are wired. As I've said, from a lot of documentaries I've seen it's become apparent that these people think what they're doing is completely normal and natural. That's probably why there's such a high proportion of pedophiles who will act on their urges again. I'm not saying there's not sickos out there who know fine well what they're doing but I find it difficult to see how a paedophile who cant control his urges doesn't get the same sympathy as one who can. Surely the one who can't is in a worse mental state than the ones who actually can keep it under control? I'm not saying it shouldn't be a criminal offence or that, I think the abuse of kids is a despicable act but it's obvious that a lot of these people need serious help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 It makes complete sense to you not to do it because your brain works "properly." I wasn't talking about the outcome of the actions either I was talking about how their heids are wired. As I've said, from a lot of documentaries I've seen it's become apparent that these people think what they're doing is completely normal and natural. That's probably why there's such a high proportion of pedophiles who will act on their urges again. I'm not saying there's not sickos out there who know fine well what they're doing but I find it difficult to see how a paedophile who cant control his urges doesn't get the same sympathy as one who can. Surely the one who can't is in a worse mental state than the ones who actually can keep it under control? I'm not saying it shouldn't be a criminal offence or that, I think the abuse of kids is a despicable act but it's obvious that a lot of these people need serious help. . How do you help them though? Based on the articles posted and comments here, it's simply the way their heads are wired. There's no conscious decision to be attracted to kids, no choice involved. It's as natural to them as a gay person liking their own gender, and in this day and age we all know you can't "help" that with any therapy etc. Sure you may get a paedophile to suppress their urges for a while but all you're really doing is hiding what's there and creating a ticking time bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 . How do you help them though? Based on the articles posted and comments here, it's simply the way their heads are wired. There's no conscious decision to be attracted to kids, no choice involved. It's as natural to them as a gay person liking their own gender, and in this day and age we all know you can't "help" that with any therapy etc. Sure you may get a paedophile to suppress their urges for a while but all you're really doing is hiding what's there and creating a ticking time bomb. That's all you can do I suppose. Would much rather there were more people out there who were attracted to kids could control acting on it rather than just doing it. I just find it strange how it is a shame for one guy and he is brave etc yet someone with the same illness is called a dirty beast. I don't think anyone would have asked for this illness. Have you seen that Louis theroux docu about the place in America that houses paedophiles? Maybe something like this would be better rather than throwing them in normal prisons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I find it hard to understand how folk can be really understanding of a paedophile who can control their urges but call one who can't a filthy beast or whatever. Surely if it's a mental health problem then it's not as simple as telling someone "you have to control these wild urges you have" You wouldn't tell a drug addict or an alcoholic to just control it so why is it any different for these people? It's refreshing to hear that there are people out there that when they have this problem can identify it's wrong and seek help but a lot of people who are attracted to kids think what they're doing is completely natural, it's clearly a mental health issue and not a choice. Because when a child is involved they are not consenting. It's rape. I fancy burds, it doesn't make it ok if I force them into having sex with me. Also, the programme implied that most peadophiles are also attracted to adults, so child porn/abuse is not the only way in which they can get sexual gratification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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