Malcolm Tucker Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-crashes-with-295-on-board 295 on board. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyboy38 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Oh dear that's a nightmare. The news has been rubbish for weeks, this just adds to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 That the same airline as a few months back? Sounds absolutely awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Tucker Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ukrainians claiming this week that Russians have been shooting down their planes. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/ukraine-claims-plane-shot-by-russian-missile Lets hope this is just a massive coincidence. Horrible news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Tucker Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Sky News now reporting it was 'Shot down'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Not good. Begs the question why on earth a civil airline would fly over that part of the world in the first instance, but still crazy. Both sides to blame each other but guessing it is the pro-Russian militia that's responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm flying to KL in September. Went to book Malaysian on the basis that 'lightning won't strike twice'. Might revise that choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 How high can Surface to Air missiles go ? The plane would have been at least at over 35,000 ft ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Tucker Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) How high can Surface to Air missiles go ? The plane would have been at least at over 35,000 ft ... Interfax saying it was a land-to-air missile, plane at 30'000ft. Shit's going to kick off here. Edited July 17, 2014 by Malcolm Tucker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Interfax saying it was a land-to-air missile, plane at 30'000ft. Shit's going to kick off here. Which means the Russians/Ukrainians would have known it was a commercial airliner. Holy **** - this is going to end up badly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So Russia have potentially shot down a passenger plane? Ridiculous. Horrible news that it's crashed but if it's been shot down then some serious shit is about to kick off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 All 295 dead according to Sky News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 How high can Surface to Air missiles go ? The plane would have been at least at over 35,000 ft ... I doubt a hand held one could go that far e.g. a Stinger, or such like. Heavy SAM's can reach 60,000ft I wonder if a pilot of either Russia or Ukraine has got a bit twitchy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Left Nut Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) How high can Surface to Air missiles go ? The plane would have been at least at over 35,000 ft ... SAM's can go up to 400km and 600km in some case. If the plane was only flying at 10km then it is a fairly easy target. Edited July 17, 2014 by My Left Nut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 All it will take, will be to find out that there were Americans on board the plane. Or, Chinese.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So Russia have potentially shot down a passenger plane? Ridiculous. Horrible news that it's crashed but if it's been shot down then some serious shit is about to kick off. Pro-Russian militia. Suppose it gives Putin the get out clause he needs OR the excuse to go marching in and "restore order". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Left Nut Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 All it will take, will be to find out that there were Americans on board the plane. Or, Chinese.. It won't end well if that ends up the case. I can see this getting way worse before it gets any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Jesus H that's bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I flew this route 2 weeks ago. On the same plane. Kinda shaken by this tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Commercial, passenger airliner carrying the flag of a country with nothing to do with the conflict; flying in an international air corridor. Russians can be mental busstards at times and their aggression over Ukraine unwarranted but I see no logic in wanting to shoot it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Tucker Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 The fact I find astounding is that passenger jets and fighter jets aren't remotely similar. Whoever pressed 'Fire' will have known it was a passenger jet. This is going to end very badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Pro-Russian militia. Suppose it gives Putin the get out clause he needs OR the excuse to go marching in and "restore order". Depends what side of the border the missile was fired on, surely if it was on the Russian side it would be the Russian army rather than just militia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Huge huge news.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Separatists now being reported as possible perpetrators of this despicable act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarlos Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 All it will take, will be to find out that there were Americans on board the plane. Or, Chinese.. I'd be surprised if there wasn't. There was Americans and British on our flight. We were even sat behind people from Edinburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboJay Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Or it could be a 'False Flag' incident to throw the blame to 'someone else' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Left Nut Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Reports that the Buk Missile system was the type believed to have shot the plane down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjambo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Terrible terrible news Im flying that route on Sunday, on our way to Vietnam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Christ almighty. A plane going down under any circumstances is a catastrophe. One getting shot down by a country having a civil war whilst engaged with a country eager to get in to a dick measuring contest with anyone is just asking for big trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 It's like a turkey shoot in that area at the moment mostly military so far. It will be interesting to see if there is any satellite pictures showing the heat trail of the missile. Let's hope so and pursue the wankers that have done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavrentiy Beria Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 BBC reporting that Russians in Ukraine have said on social media that they have brought down a Ukranian plane, what an unholy mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I hope the Russian people are told the truth about this( If the rebels are to blame) and a propaganda war is avoided. Unfortunately that is what I fear will happen and the Putin and co will wipe their hands of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 FFS THIS IS MASSIVE. Stating the obvious I know...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Horrible. Thoughts are with the families of these people. 295 innocent lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Aviation Expert on Sky News saying that for months airlines have been aware of the danger of flying over eastern Ukraine and the only reason he can think that they have ignored the warnings is that it is more expensive to fly around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Aviation Expert on Sky News saying that for months airlines have been aware of the danger of flying over eastern Ukraine and the only reason he can think that they have ignored the warnings is that it is more expensive to fly around! Mental if so, but I'm guessing largely the norm?! For example, flights to Dubai go over Iraq etc?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Aviation Expert on Sky News saying that for months airlines have been aware of the danger of flying over eastern Ukraine and the only reason he can think that they have ignored the warnings is that it is more expensive to fly around! I'd suggest it doesn't take an aviation expert to arrive at that conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Mental if so, but I'm guessing largely the norm?! For example, flights to Dubai go over Iraq etc?! The companies that insure airlines may take a very different view to the airline accountant who reckoned the extra fuel to fly round costs too much.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The companies that insure airlines may take a very different view to the airline accountant who reckoned the extra fuel to fly round costs too much.... I'm pretty sure that will already be taken into account. Eg re-routing costs < increased premiums. That will possibly now change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Awful news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The companies that insure airlines may take a very different view to the airline accountant who reckoned the extra fuel to fly round costs too much.... Agreed. Sounds ridic (although maybe apt now) but (as a guy scared of flying) I remember flying over Iraq thinking "imagine we needed an emergency landing...." Outrageous act of terrorism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm pretty sure that will already be taken into account. Eg re-routing costs < increased premiums. That will possibly now change. I'd guess that after this the insurance companies will just tell airlines; go round, or don't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 **** this world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Took off from Amsterdam as well, craziness. I suspect there might have been Brits on board, not that it makes it any different but that would stir some sh*te. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 People still fly with this airline? Rip to the people who died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 People still fly with this airline? Rip to the people who died. Unless something incredible comes out, given that lots of airlines fly over this same point, this one isnt their fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Seeger Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 People still fly with this airline? Rip to the people who died. I'm not really sure how much blame the airline can take for getting shot out of the sky? Tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 A real moment hearing this on the radio earlier. Agreed that this could be massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 "If it disappears, this is what it looks like." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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