Gimme an H... Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 He's priceless to us at the moment but he's not literally priceless. Thats what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I like Velicka but he's only scored 2 more SPL goals than Colin Nish and 1 less than Noel Hunt. A reality check would not do you any harm. He has only had 13 starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 7 games for Lithuania and 1 goal according to Wikipedia. Don't know if that is right. Given how few options Lithuania have (Beniusis has 18 caps and 1 goal according to Wikipedia - what a shame the last line is about his nickname on that site) not very impressive if right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 James McFadden is a ?5million player. Does anyone really think Velicka is worth the same amount of money as him ? Some apparently do. Will metaphorically eat my hat if Velicka goes to the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Debt now ?88.25 million. ?2.75 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 The reality is that EPL teams pay more than the true value of players to get them because they can So Hearts put a price of more than the true value of Velicka on his head because they know an EPL team is in for him. Bolton are either still interested or they are not. As I asked on another thread though - what on earth would we do without him at present? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 About ?3 million over his worth then. He is not getting any younger and the SPL is not exactly the best league in Europe. Noel Hunt is the second best scorer FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 The reality is that EPL teams pay more than the true value of players to get them because they can So Hearts put a price of more than the true value of Velicka on his head because they know an EPL team is in for him. Bolton are either still interested or they are not. As I asked on another thread though - what on earth would we do without him at present? Play another striker. They might or might not score as many. They might or might not improve the chances of other players in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 what on earth would we do without him at present?Find a replacement, if Noel Hunt can score 10 goals in half a season in the SPL then just about any cont can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 ?2.75 million? 1 million to his agent....... (Vlad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay! EPL clubs pay double a players worth in many cases, McFadden is an example, the OF were going to bid ?2-3M for him but Birminham pay ?6M. Vlad will get every penny possible for any player we sell, remember people on here going nuts at us turning down ?5m for CG yet vlad got very close to the ?10m he sayed he wanted, so if he says ?3.75 for Velicka then he won't go for very much less than that imho ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Play another striker. They might or might not score as many. They might or might not improve the chances of other players in the team. Who? Elliot Nade Makela Both Elliot and Nade have already had runs in the team this season without huge success. Velicka has hardly held them back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 We haven't even reinvested the money we have got for selling our own bloody players. What chance do have of spending Kaunas's money !! We are getting the ?51 million stand for free, Vlad has done nothing for Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Find a replacement, if Noel Hunt can score 10 goals in half a season in the SPL then just about any cont can Nade cant Elliot cant Makela cant Buy Noel Hunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 We are getting the ?51 million stand for free, Vlad has done nothing for Hearts. of course we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 yeah, he'd only cost about 500k. BTW Makela has only had about 3 starts in 2 years, Nade is built like Stephen Lee and Elliot is not a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Nade cantElliot cant Makela cant Buy Noel Hunt? or colin pish. which says it all about the quality really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 We are getting the ?51 million stand for free, Vlad has done nothing for Hearts. I was not having a dig at VR. I was pointing out that we haven't reinvested in the squad with the money we've received for our own players, yet some think we will get some of the money FBK Kaunas receive for Velicka to spend. I do not expect VR to bankroll us. I've said that many times in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Who? Elliot Nade Makela Both Elliot and Nade have already had runs in the team this season without huge success. Velicka has hardly held them back Are we saying that Velicka is the only possible striker we could have at Hearts who would score goals? No opportunities in the transfer market? I don't think that either Elliot or Nade is the answer, but I don't remember them getting a decent run of consecutive games in the team. Makela has had no chance. Neither did Pospisil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hehe, I think some people think we might see the money. This would be Romanov's dream if he was to sell one of the Kaunas exports for that sort of money, and would worry me about more and more being shipped through the club. Hope Vel stays though. If it means we get more of the type of player like Velicka then i'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Why not? club think they can turn up in Scotland with a bid of 10 fags and a hairnet Is that not hibs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 This is just a ploy to ward off bidders. Anyway, if Velicka went to Bolton, they would definitely be in the relegation zone and it would be his fault despite his goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 This is just a ploy to ward off bidders. Anyway, if Velicka went to Bolton, they would definitely be in the relegation zone and it would be his fault despite his goals. Do you think Velicka would score any goals in the Premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 good news about velicka....I wish the players would stop talking Frail up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 The reality is that EPL teams pay more than the true value of players to get them because they can So Hearts put a price of more than the true value of Velicka on his head because they know an EPL team is in for him. Bolton are either still interested or they are not. As I asked on another thread though - what on earth would we do without him at present? Doesn't matter what price Hearts value him.Kuanas now thats a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Do you think Velicka would score any goals in the Premiership? He'd score goals anywhere IMO. Probably better suited to a 'European' league if we're honest though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 James McFadden is a ?5million player. Does anyone really think Velicka is worth the same amount of money as him ? If you are comparing goals scored record then yes, as much as I admire McFadden I wouldn't swap Velicka for him. Teams will always pay over the odds for strikers as decent, in-form strikers are an extremely valuable commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 He'd score goals anywhere IMO. Probably better suited to a 'European' league if we're honest though. I think he might score a handful as he can belt the ball if he gets it facing the goal from 12-20 yards out. But Premiership managers will look for more than that. There are dozens of players in the lower leagues in England for example who can belt the ball at goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 If you are comparing goals scored record then yes, as much as I admire McFadden I wouldn't swap Velicka for him. Teams will always pay over the odds for strikers as decent, in-form strikers are an extremely valuable commodity. I didn't actually think anyone would post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Are we saying that Velicka is the only possible striker we could have at Hearts who would score goals? No opportunities in the transfer market? . Not at all I have no faith in Hearts ability to either scout the right talent, attract the right talent, or convince Vlad he should sign the right talent I'm surprised, given your normally very astute observations, that you are so convinced we are capable of signing a suitable and effective replacement quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Not at all I have no faith in Hearts ability to either scout the right talent, attract the right talent, or convince Vlad he should sign the right talent I'm surprised, given your normally very astute observations, that you are so convinced we are capable of signing a suitable and effective replacement quickly. http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/-Velicka-needs-strike-partner.3696573.jp Velicka needs strike partner, insists Frail - Edinburgh Evening News We are not looking for a replacement we are looking for someone to partner him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/-Velicka-needs-strike-partner.3696573.jpVelicka needs strike partner, insists Frail - Edinburgh Evening News We are not looking for a replacement we are looking for someone to partner him. Yes very good 2 summers ago we were looking at a couple of world cup players We have been looking for a replacement for Skacel since he left. This article gives me no more comfort other than: Frail would prefer to play with 2 strikers but accepts we dont have a good enough second striker at present to do so Good sound footballing judgement IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markletissier Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 nade getting fitter?!?!?!?! one letter out there frail mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Yes very good 2 summers ago we were looking at a couple of world cup players We have been looking for a replacement for Skacel since he left. This article gives me no more comfort other than: Frail would prefer to play with 2 strikers but accepts we dont have a good enough second striker at present to do so Good sound footballing judgement IMO NOOOOOOOO!!!!! THIS WAS NEVER SAID FFS!!! How many effin times!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 NOOOOOOOO!!!!! THIS WAS NEVER SAID FFS!!! How many effin times!!!!!! The point is relevent regardless. We've been repeatedly told "we're gonna do x, y or z", everyone thinks it sounds great, we wait a wee bit, then it doesn't happen. For example, in May/June, we were gonna get the manager in that we needed. Then once the ST were sold, we didnae bother. Overly Cynical? Coincedence? Feeding the fans bs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 NOOOOOOOO!!!!! THIS WAS NEVER SAID FFS!!! How many effin times!!!!!! Oh, so Valdas never said we were looking at 2 world cup players? Check my English mate - I didnt say "promise" Vlad did not promise us world cup players Valdas DID say we were looking at 2 world cup players Keep up with your short fuse buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-rocker Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 well if cousin is somehow worth ?3m, then surely velickas worth ?5m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billyman56 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Fair logic. Crazymoney for footballers nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sked21 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 well if cousin is somehow worth ?3m, then surely velickas worth ?5m! I know it is rather cliche (Spelling?) but you're worth how much anyone is willing to pay for you or something along they lines. Remember Cousin has had experince of playing in better leagues and teams. In my opinion he is a good striker who brings a lot to the team (As does Velicka). But to say Veligol is worth ?2m more is being dillusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-rocker Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I know it is rather cliche (Spelling?) but you're worth how much anyone is willing to pay for you or something along they lines. Remember Cousin has had experince of playing in better leagues and teams. In my opinion he is a good striker who brings a lot to the team (As does Velicka). But to say Veligol is worth ?2m more is being dillusional. i was meaning that from a joke point of view!! although it will take a decent fee for us to lose velicka and fulham could sign better for ?3m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I can't believe the same BS arguments about Velicka have been dredged up yet again. I cringe every time I read them. Noel Hunt and Colin Nish, by the way, have both started 20 matches this season. Velicka has started 13. As such, their scoring records are not particularly comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I can't believe the same BS arguments about Velicka have been dredged up yet again. I cringe every time I read them. Noel Hunt and Colin Nish, by the way, have both started 20 matches this season. Velicka has started 13. As such, their scoring records are not particularly comparable. Imagine if he'd started 20. We'd be bottom for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I cringe every time I read them. If it bothers you so much, I reckon not reading them could be the solution to your problem. It works for me with stuff I don't want to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 It's difficult to choose not to read something after you have read it, unfortunately. Otherwise, sound advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 It's difficult to choose not to read something after you have read it, unfortunately. Otherwise, sound advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dipped Flake Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 The Cusin bid didnt happen mate, it was Rangers who started the rumour themselves because they want rid of him and are trying to generate some interest. The only reason they signed him in the first place was because they thought they had lost out on Naismith, but he signed with minutes to go in the last transfer deadline and they were then left with one player too many. The reason they said an offer of 2.5M has been bid is because he has a clause in his contract which releases him if any bid of 3M or over comes in for him. It's basically a desperate bid on Rangers behalf to try and get an English club to part with 3M for an over rated donkey! You might want to go back and edit your original post now:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I didn't actually think anyone would post that. Really? I'm surprised. I think McFadden is one of the most talented and exciting players I've seen. However, out of Faddy or Velicka which player do you think would contribute the most to us, particularly mindful of our current position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Really? I'm surprised. I think McFadden is one of the most talented and exciting players I've seen. However, out of Faddy or Velicka which player do you think would contribute the most to us, particularly mindful of our current position? McFadden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Meldrew Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Isn't the Velicka price a way of the Club telling people he's not for sale. I doubt anyone in their right minds would pay ?3.75m for Velicka. Don't get me wrong, I think he's great, as he's a striker that scores a decent number of goals- something we've lacked for years. However, I doubt anyone ould pay that sort of cash for him. He's Lithuanian (that will sadly affect his value as they aren't a top footballing nation - until recently Scottish players suffered from that) and he's only proven in the SPL. The English Prem teams would, I reckon, believe they're taking a bit of a risk at just under ?4m. Of course, with ?15m in their pocket after the sale of Anelka, Bolton might make us (or Kaunas) a decent offer. In that case, ?3.75m would be great, although I'd be sad to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I think that along with Ruben Palazuelos, Velicka has really stepped up to the plate during our crisis period. We are all aware of his assets (his finishing) and his limitations (just about everything else) but I doubt we could do any better than him just now. We've splashed the cash on the likes of Nade, Makela and Pospisil and I don't think any of them are a patch on Velicka. If we are looking for a partner for him, I think we should forget about the transfer market and look to promote from our youth side. As things stand, however, I think Velicka is thriving on playing the lone striker role, it seems to suit him. Having said all that, valuations of ?2 million plus are nonsense for a player who has so many limitations to his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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