Greenbank2 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Surely it's possible to both feel sorry for them and think that they should be punished as is normal in these cases. People on both sides here seem awfully certain of what happened, but it seems to me that both are equally plausible: While working in Ibiza, the two girls get involved with these gangster types and are impressed by their money and perceived glamour. They build up a debt to them and are coerced into paying that off by doing them this 'favour'. While working in Ibiza, the two girls get involved with these gangster types and are impressed by their money and perceived glamour. They're asked to act as drug mules for a big pay-off and have their heads turned by the money on offer. Imo even if they were fairly normal girls back home, both stories seem equally plausible. In that environment drugs are totally commonplace, and it'd be easy for young and naive people to completely disregard the moral side of whether it's right or wrong to be helping the trade in something that they were surrounded by all the time anyway. I suspect that the truth is somewhere between these two extremes: they'll probably have been quite happy to go along with the whole thing up to a point and if they did get to a point where they realised they were in too deep it probably was too late to go back. Either way, they'll have a ***** of a time proving that they were coerced. The bottom line is that they should have a fair trial and be punished accordingly and following whatever precedent has been set...but that doesn't mean that one can't feel sorry for them. They're wee lassies who at some point along the line have made a very big mistake. You are of course, completely right. I will admit though, that the level of sorrow I feel for them would increase significantly if they showed some remorse for what they have done - and acknowlege some level of responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Jambo Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 While working in Ibiza, the two girls get involved with these gangster types and are impressed by their money and perceived glamour. They build up a debt to them and are coerced into paying that off by doing them this 'favour'. I'm not sure of the law in Peru but I'd severely doubt even if that were the case it would amount to a defence of coercion. There is usually a requirement that the person have no other option to not do it as there is an immediate threat of death or serious harm to them or another (which is what they have said) rather than what you describe as they got in to debt and had to do this to pay it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I'm not sure of the law in Peru but I'd severely doubt even if that were the case it would amount to a defence of coercion. There is usually a requirement that the person have no other option to not do it as there is an immediate threat of death or serious harm to them or another (which is what they have said) rather than what you describe as they got in to debt and had to do this to pay it off. I'm not altogether sure of how you think this relates to my post. I wasn't suggesting that whether or not they were coerced should have an impact on whether or not they're found guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 You are of course, completely right. I will admit though, that the level of sorrow I feel for them would increase significantly if they showed some remorse for what they have done - and acknowlege some level of responsibility. Probably not the best idea to do so before any trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart McNeill Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I've just started reading about this thread and it dawned on me while on holiday I seen a Facebook picture and it was her family thinking that she had got lost. Turns out she's drug mule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 What sentence do they deserve though? A slap on the wrist and deportation home? Life sucks. This is another example. I have no idea. I don't have the slightest club how guilty they are or what the real circumstances were the ultimately led to their arrest. I'll reserve all judgement until the facts come out - which may well be never. They'll unlikely get a proper trial as the judicial system is completely bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I have no idea. I don't have the slightest club how guilty they are or what the real circumstances were the ultimately led to their arrest. I'll reserve all judgement until the facts come out - which may well be never. They'll unlikely get a proper trial as the judicial system is completely bent. I've no idea about the ins and outs of Peruvian justice but I think it is a tad prejudical to say that the system there is bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I've no idea about the ins and outs of Peruvian justice but I think it is a tad prejudical to say that the system there is bent. http://www.peruviant...-general/17458/ Neighbouring Bolivia is utterly bent and it sounds like Peru is much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Tarts 1874 Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nothing innocent about Melissa Reid according to her flatmate in Ibiza: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/peru-drug-arrests-pal-melissa-2181497 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nothing innocent about Melissa Reid according to her flatmate in Ibiza: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/peru-drug-arrests-pal-melissa-2181497 "hey guys, im having a drugs party! you in?" "aww cool. we love drugs parties. is it byob?" "bring your own bong?" "yes. b for bong instead of bottle. Because we are young and love drugs parties. MMM IM GONNA TAKE SO MANY COCAINES!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nothing innocent about Melissa Reid according to her flatmate in Ibiza: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/peru-drug-arrests-pal-melissa-2181497 Cashing in at her "friends" expense, lower than a snakes belly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nothing innocent about Melissa Reid according to her flatmate in Ibiza: http://www.dailyreco...melissa-2181497 Don't really see how this does anything other than confirm what most people on here have said about them getting involved with the wrong crowd initially. As an aside, I don't understand why the girl in that article has obviously chosen not to be named. Given that anyone who knows them personally will know who lived in the flat, it's not like she's really protecting her identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Cashing in at her "friends" expense, lower than a snakes belly. No doubt this Reid girl will do so in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Lindsay Sandiford could be saved http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396373/Drugs-mule-hope-British-grandmother-Lindsay-Sandiford-saved-swap.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nothing innocent about Melissa Reid according to her flatmate in Ibiza: http://www.dailyreco...melissa-2181497 Girl in Ibiza parties and takes drugs? Startling news, I'm pretty sure this has never happened before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Conveniently, the Daily Rancid "chose" not to identify the source. Hmmm. But hey, whatever it takes to sell newspapers, right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Off her tits. GUILTY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Off her tits. GUILTY Incorrect - her pupils are not dilated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Incorrect - her pupils are not dilated. She's a grunter however. Guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Incorrect - her pupils are not dilated. Mydriasis does not necessarily always follow drug use. Guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 She's a grunter however. Guilty. I've inspected her Facebook and would give her a 6/10. Probably would, but wouldn't boast about it afterwards. She has some 8/10 pals, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Imagine grassing your pal to the papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Imagine grassing your pal to the papers To be fair they didn't really sound like that good pals If some wild eyed bint contributed to me leaving early by constantly doing drugs and bringing strangers back to my apartment, I'd be inclined to grass her up for a bit of ? as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 To be fair they didn't really sound like that good pals If some wild eyed bint contributed to me leaving early by constantly doing drugs and bringing strangers back to my apartment, I'd be inclined to grass her up for a bit of ? as well. The Record doesnt sell well with peruvian judges either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 "hey guys, im having a drugs party! you in?" "aww cool. we love drugs parties. is it byob?" "bring your own bong?" "yes. b for bong instead of bottle. Because we are young and love drugs parties. MMM IM GONNA TAKE SO MANY COCAINES!!" Brilliant Terrible, terrible article and the "source" sounds like a right buzzkill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nothing innocent about Melissa Reid according to her flatmate in Ibiza: http://www.dailyreco...melissa-2181497 My kinda girl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Hard not to feel at least a little sorry for them. Whatever mistakes they've made, they're about to pay very heavily for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Hard not to feel at least a little sorry for them. Whatever mistakes they've made, they're about to pay very heavily for. So much then for the "I was kidnapped and coerced at gunpoint to carry cases of food from Peru" story. Its simply a load of tosh. She should fess up and perhaps the sentence will be more lenient. But if she does indeed weave a story about being kidnapped and forced to go at gunpoint then she shouldn't complain if she gets a longer sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Hard not to feel at least a little sorry for them. Whatever mistakes they've made, they're about to pay very heavily for. Yup. A series of daft decisions clearly led to something far worse than they (or most people) would have expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin Delano Bluth Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 So much then for the "I was kidnapped and coerced at gunpoint to carry cases of food from Peru" story. Its simply a load of tosh. She should fess up and perhaps the sentence will be more lenient. But if she does indeed weave a story about being kidnapped and forced to go at gunpoint then she shouldn't complain if she gets a longer sentence. You think if she fesses up they'll be more lenient? Seriously? It's headline news in the UK and it may be headline news in Peru. They'll chuck the book at them to show everyone they are 'serious' about drug traffickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 So much then for the "I was kidnapped and coerced at gunpoint to carry cases of food from Peru" story. Its simply a load of tosh. She should fess up and perhaps the sentence will be more lenient. But if she does indeed weave a story about being kidnapped and forced to go at gunpoint then she shouldn't complain if she gets a longer sentence. Itt: binary thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 You think if she fesses up they'll be more lenient? Seriously? It's headline news in the UK and it may be headline news in Peru. They'll chuck the book at them to show everyone they are 'serious' about drug traffickers. I do think they have the option to get a lesser sentence, especially if they at the same time give information that may lead to catching those behind the smuggling. Their Lawyers will currently be discussing what the best option for them is. Plea bargaining will be ongoing. But saying they were forced at gunpoint and at the same they didn't know there were drugs in the case is nonsense and could indeed result in the book being thrown at them, expecially as Peru police are currently checking out their stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I thought Boy George would have kept his head down after his last stint in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I thought Boy George would have kept his head down after his last stint in prison. Not looking good for her - she already has a record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Not looking good for her - she already has a record. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Not looking good for her - she already has a record. It's just the vinyl touch to her outfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Brilliant Terrible, terrible article and the "source" sounds like a right buzzkill! my thoughts exactly. What did she think she was signing up for when she wanted to go work in Ibiza for the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee! Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 You think if she fesses up they'll be more lenient? Seriously? It's headline news in the UK and it may be headline news in Peru. They'll chuck the book at them to show everyone they are 'serious' about drug traffickers. They'll get a lesser sentence if they confess and plead guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots civil war Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 finding it hilarious tbh,silly silly bints some ******* head gear the irish has been wearing tho eh one minute minnie mouse next minute boy george with a mouldy old record on top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'd put the Irish bird somewhere between 7.5 and 8.5/10. Would need to see more pictures to get more specific than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'd put the Irish bird somewhere between 7.5 and 8.5/10. Would need to see more pictures to get more specific than that. She'll drop to a 3/10 after a couple of months locked up in that shithole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 She'll drop to a 3/10 after a couple of months locked up in that shithole Perfect time to pounce, imo. While she's vulnerable. Carpe diem. Yolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Don't really see how this does anything other than confirm what most people on here have said about them getting involved with the wrong crowd initially. As an aside, I don't understand why the girl in that article has obviously chosen not to be named. Given that anyone who knows them personally will know who lived in the flat, it's not like she's really protecting her identity. Maybe she doesn't fancy her name being linked to the case from now to eternity on t'interweb? Anyway, have been to Peru a couple of times. Both occasions were the only times I have gone through hand luggage searches when getting off the plane (both at Schipol). Have also flown in and out of numerous South American airports. You'd need to have balls of steel, be extremely stupid or be extremely scared of something else to risk smuggling anything through any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Being reported that photos on cameras show them together on beaches and balconies, probably in Ibiza as Peru is not warm enough at this time of year. This blows their story that they had never met before the trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Being reported that photos on cameras show them together on beaches and balconies, probably in Ibiza as Peru is not warm enough at this time of year. This blows their story that they had never met before the trip. Where was it reported that they claim never to have met before their trip to Peru? I thought they both worked in the same bar in San Antonio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Reids father is claiming the photos of them smiling and drinking beer together was staged also by the gang to force them to look like happy holdaymakers for some unknown reason!! Its ridiculous. If they continue with this nonsense they should get maximum sentence. Fess up ladies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianski77 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 "The Business" is on Channel 5 at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Formally charged and remanded in custody Could be 3 years before they get to court They are going nowhere fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjambo Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Formally charged and remanded in custody Could be 3 years before they get to court They are going nowhere fast Oh dear! Had a bit of sympathy for them when the story first broke, thought they were a bit naive, but now I'm not so sure, the pics on one of the girls camera showing the both of them together, photos may have been taken in Ibiza where they claimed they didn't know each other, and now CCTV footage of one of them out shopping in Peru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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