Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 A ban on alcohol on match days http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/pub-closure-plans-attacked.20561914?_=60ab3237001939bc10e6dea7db7c841aa3af78a5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 What a shan idea. Imagine joe bloggs who lives near gorgie is denied a pint because hearts are playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 consultation is still open.... Got a few hours to put something together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny1874 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Are we talking a blanket ban on pubs being open ? In which case how many pubs in the Gorgie area for example will survive without matchday takings? If they are only closing trouble spots, then surely it will just move on to different pubs around the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Garcia Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I can imagine if this happens many pubs will disappear putting more people out of work and the areas around football more rundown than they already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulleted_jambo Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 So people will just drink at home then or go to pubs slightly further away from the stadiums. Not really going to solve any problems other than denying the people who nip for a quiet couple before the game. The people who want to get hammered and cause problems will do so no matter what. Will never happen anyway. They should be looking at brining drinking back in to (non OF) stadiums if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Will never happen anyway. They should be looking at brining drinking back in to (non OF) stadiums if anything. Disagree. We've got enough bams in our support as it is, never mind keeping them tanked up during the game. No alcohol in the ground really isn't a problem imo, its an hour and a half without a pint. Just go to the pub after the game if you really want a drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithbag Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 depressing stuff... they should be tougher on bams getting in, and quicker chucking the twats out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I might turn my flat on Smithfield Street into a bar between the hours of 12-2.30 on match day - make a roaring trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Are we talking a blanket ban on pubs being open ? In which case how many pubs in the Gorgie area for example will survive without matchday takings? If they are only closing trouble spots, then surely it will just move on to different pubs around the area. You would imagine it would have to be a blanket ban, otherwise whoever is suggesting this idea hasn't really thought it through particularly well. If you have a group of guys who have a reputation, irrespective of the team they support, and they all turn up at their regular pub on match day and it is closed it seems basic logic to imagine that if the options are (i) go to a nearby cafe and sit drinking tea up until kick off, (ii) stand outside their regular pub staring at the closed door wondering why its closed, until kick off or (iii) head to a nearby pub that is open and hit the booze until kick off then chances are that they are going to select option 'iii'. And by introducing a blanket ban you are threatening both businesses and people's livelihoods, and I'd imagine the police would much rather retain the status quo, given they already tend to know where the people they want to keep an eye on drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysinourshadows Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 It's bad enough when the big games are on a Sunday at half 12 to stop fans from drinking! Going to the football without being able to have a drink would be shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin Delano Bluth Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Watching Hearts this season would be excruciating without a drink before and the social aspect afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Aye, build the trams and ruin pubs, early kick offs ruin pubs may as well just shut them down completely and then spoil football for everyone whilst at it. Scotland is ******* terrible. Mon the union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullen13 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I just wouldn't go. Our team is the worst it has been in years and now I have to watch it sober? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Aye, build the trams and ruin pubs, early kick offs ruin pubs may as well just shut them down completely and then spoil football for everyone whilst at it. Scotland is ******* terrible. Mon the union. It's a honking idea about the pubs, which will thankfully never come to fruition. However the SNP had sweet FA to do with the Trams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Anythings possible with the SNP, complete clowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Never happen. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnie Prince Charlie Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Anythings possible with the SNP, complete clowns Takes one to know one as they say. Will never happen of course. I remember when the Herald was a serious paper, just about as bad as the nonScotsman now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Takes one to know one as they say. Will never happen of course. I remember when the Herald was a serious paper, just about as bad as the nonScotsman now. Who's idea is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulleted_jambo Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Disagree. We've got enough bams in our support as it is, never mind keeping them tanked up during the game. No alcohol in the ground really isn't a problem imo, its an hour and a half without a pint. Just go to the pub after the game if you really want a drink. It's not a major problem not being able to drink(although plenty sneak stuff in) during the game. I don't think being able to get a couple of over priced beers during the game is going to add to the problem. As I said problem makers will cause problems either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I think if the concern was disorder resulting from alcohol consumption, every pub and bar and club in the centre of Edinburgh would be shut down every Friday and Saturday night long before they got round to Gorgie and Easter Road on match days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Aye, build the trams and ruin pubs, early kick offs ruin pubs may as well just shut them down completely and then spoil football for everyone whilst at it. Scotland is ******* terrible. Mon the union. ^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Who's idea is it? Pretty much everyone except the SNP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number-16 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Can't find the consultation online. From reading the article it sounds like the proposal isn't to actually shut pubs on match days but to give councils the power to shut pubs at certain times if an event was likely to cause issues. There could be good reasons for this that wouldn't involve football. If councillors in Edinburgh were to want to use this to target football fans I hope they weren't counting on re-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Prohibition has worked so well in the past, this seems like such a great way to deal with the country's alcohol problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 This mentality - seen particularly after comments by Kenny Mcaskill after Jan 3 game - smacks of that seen in the pre-Hillsborough age where all football fans were seen as scum and were allowed to be treated as such. Of course there are bampots for whom a few drinks turns them into the violent racist bigots we all have seen and heard BUT the vast majority of fans arent like that and they are the ones that a couple of pints with their mates and going to a game of football are what they look forward to after a hard week's graft. They wouldnt dream of doing this for egg-chasers so why do it for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 This SNP government really doesn't have a ******* clue when it comes to football related issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainy Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Bunch of clowns. Will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbie754 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Sensationalism by the anti SNP press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From Perth to Paisley Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Anybody actually read the story. That's not what it says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Anybody actually read the story. That's not what it says! What does it say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 This SNP government really doesn't have a ******* clue when it comes to football related issues They don't have a clue when it comes to anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 whats more than likley to happen as per current cooncil thinking is not a ban as per say ,but extra liecences to open on match days with extra security, all extra coffers, to the money makeing cooncils, they love all these extra retrictions because the can just up the price of liecences and use the ol' its for your own good excuse and we have to protect our rate payers who want to go about their normal businesss on match day. they just want to screw us into the ground....nothing changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 What does it say ? Plans to close pubs on football matchdays are excessive, says licensing chief Published on 21 March 2013 Gerry Braiden GOVERNMENT proposals to shut pubs around football grounds due to disorder fears are a step too far and would have to include corporate hospitality, a senior licensing chief has warned. Responding to plans to amend Scotland's liquor laws, the chairman of the country's largest licensing board said ample powers already exist to deal with problem premises on matchdays without more measures. Malcolm Cunning, chairman of Glasgow's licensing board, said blameless firms risked being swept up in blanket closure orders and any efforts to tackle problems around alcohol and football had to be proportionate. Despite already having the authority to seek the closure of a pub under existing laws, it has emerged that Strathclyde Police has never applied to the council for such an order in Glasgow, home to the biggest football teams and greatest number of parades and events. The Scottish Licensed Trade Association (SLTA) has already warned any serious attempt to limit the supply of alcohol around sensitive games and parades would require preventing supermarkets over a huge area from selling drink up to a day before the actual event. The influential lobbyists have blamed Old Firm players and managers for the latest threat to pubs around football grounds. In its response to the Government's consultation on extending police closure powers, Glasgow claims present laws allowing forces to apply for a closure order on public safety grounds if they fear disorder is likely to take place on licensed premises or nearby have not been requested since their introduction. It says to impose closure orders on all licensed premises in a geographical area "may not be a balanced or proportionate response" and "could unreasonably affect licensed premises where neither the customers nor the premises themselves have any association with football such as function rooms, restaurants, delis and hotels". The city's licensing chiefs also claim it "may be difficult to justify an exclusion for corporate hospitality within a football stadium where there is a clear connection between alcohol and football but at the same time affect other licensed premises in the locality where there may be no such connection". The Scottish Government's consultation on amending the Licensing (Scotland) 2005 Act, three years after it was introduced, is drawing to a close. Areas which could be tightened up include targeting discounts on buying alcohol online from England-based suppliers, having sellers pass an English test, giving police additional powers to flag up concerns about individuals in the trade, and changing the law to stop adults escaping prosecution if they buy alcohol for children. However, as well as giving councils legal backing to make changes to how alcohol is sold across entire neighbourhoods, they could also have powers to shut pubs around football grounds if they believe there could be disorder associated with the match. Raising his concerns, Mr Cunning said: "Any response from licensing authorities to the issue has to be proportionate and we must ensure entirely blameless licence holders and customers do not suffer for the misdeeds of others. "Anything that looks like a blanket ban on licensees carrying out their legitimate business is more than a step too far. "Ample powers to close premises to protect public safety already exist within the licensing legislation, but so far they have never been used. "We can see no need for still greater powers when the question of the effectiveness of the current law on closure orders has never even been tested before." One leading trade source said: "It's interesting to note that the board has never been asked to impose a football closure order using its existing powers and refreshing to see such a reasonable and proportionate response to the possible widening of those powers." A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "The consultation concludes at the end of this week, and we will consider the responses carefully." The content is a bit of an anticlimax. It's not the blanket ban hinted at and its merely one proposal of many that have been thrown in to be discussed... This particular proposal will most likely never see the light of day and if it did, it would only ne used in certain areas on the day of certain matches... Like OF games, and the well documented problems that occur before, during and after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 No many folk have actually read this, have they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musemic Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 They don't have a clue when it comes to anything! Of course the Oxbridge-educated bunch who form the cabinet have their finger on the pulse of the nation right enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 No many folk have actually read this, have they? Don't read, just seethe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewjambobusby Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 They don't have a clue when it comes to anything! Correct. Having said tha,t if they are Desperate to make changes, why don`t they just recruit Naive 16 year olds into voting ???? Oh Wait .............. Clowns, will be the absolute Death of Scotland. Seethe over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yabadabadoo1874again Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 No many folk have actually read this, have they? Ha ha it would appear not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgieshed Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Not a chance in hell this will ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glastonbury jambo Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 just get a carry out instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bell Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 What a shan idea. Imagine joe bloggs who lives near gorgie is denied a pint because hearts are playing For this reason, this will never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dipped Flake Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 It really is quite frightening how many people read yet another anti-SNP headline by the media and go off on a rant about how Independence will have the sky falling on our heads, when the truth is nowhere near the headline attention-grabber. I really worry that we give the vote to people who base their opinions on BIG WRITING in a paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musemic Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Correct. Having said tha,t if they are Desperate to make changes, why don`t they just recruit Naive 16 year olds into voting ???? Oh Wait .............. Clowns, will be the absolute Death of Scotland. Seethe over. Aye, far better just letting the 16 year olds get jobs, get married, join the army and dodge bullets in Afghanistan etc etc rather than give them the vote. Can't help but think there were people just like you moaning about giving women the vote 100 years ago. Many of our 16 and 17 year olds have a better grasp of politics than their parents and grandparents who simply voted for Labour, because their father and grandfather voted Labour for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 The SNP's policies on alcohol and football are a tad hypocritical. Lets go back to 1999 with the last England vs Scotland match at Wembley, where a certain prominent SNP minister was detained for the duration of that match for being allegedly drunk and disorderly: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/535592.stm The one thing I hate more than anything from politicians is hypocrites telling me not to do something they are guilty of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 This mentality - seen particularly after comments by Kenny Mcaskill after Jan 3 game - smacks of that seen in the pre-Hillsborough age where all football fans were seen as scum and were allowed to be treated as such. Of course there are bampots for whom a few drinks turns them into the violent racist bigots we all have seen and heard BUT the vast majority of fans arent like that and they are the ones that a couple of pints with their mates and going to a game of football are what they look forward to after a hard week's graft. They wouldnt dream of doing this for egg-chasers so why do it for us? What they should remember is football fans have, unless the Devolution Bill tells us otherwise, the vote and we should let them know we are not frightened to use it. Look at the efforts made to court 16/17 year old kids and how many of them are there in Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casper Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 It really is quite frightening how many people read yet another anti-SNP headline by the media and go off on a rant about how Independence will have the sky falling on our heads, when the truth is nowhere near the headline attention-grabber. I really worry that we give the vote to people who base their opinions on BIG WRITING in a paper There is absolutely no doubt that the SNP want to punish even sensible drinkers by increasing costs through minimum pricing. And I thought New Labour were the champions of the nanny state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Sensationalism by the anti SNP press. This in spades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 There is absolutely no doubt that the SNP want to punish even sensible drinkers by increasing costs through minimum pricing. And I thought New Labour were the champions of the nanny state. Its not about punishing, its about trying to deal with one of the most damaging (and expensive) aspects of our culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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