Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I didnt read/hear to much about this tradgedy at the time so checked up old news reports on the BBC and on Youtube to get some news footage from the day it happened (Dec 14). Noticed as i was typing SH into Youtube a conspiracy choice came up about it. Really thought there would be nothing in this one but was pretty unsettled with what i was watching. Scary thing is, that most of it it literally from the officials or media and not some people speculating or whos aunties, brothers best pal happened to be walking passed. An i like the way the guy has went about making the video, not accusing but just using logic and the facts that were fed to us to just say that it doesnt really add up. Not just the odd part of it, lots. Make of it what you will. He saves the irrefutable part of it until last. Even if the all the rest was open to too much interpretation, the last part is mental. Seems like if it happened the way it was put to us they'e done a terrible job of making it look that way. Think even the biggest anti conspiracist would admit that something just doesnt sit right on this one! https://www.youtube....pctr=1358728889 Edited January 21, 2013 by spunkmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Not again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Not again Been done? Oops. Sorry. Not on KB all day. Going to miss something once in a while :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Saw the old thread. I still think the video has to be watched. Lot more developments since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I've no idea if this particular one has been done before, just the general subject of a conspiracy theory surrounding this whole sad story. Can't wait until Dark Knight Rises is brought up again as concrete proof again though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I've no idea if this particular one has been done before, just the general subject of a conspiracy theory surrounding this whole sad story. Can't wait until Dark Knight Rises is brought up again as concrete proof again though. It hasnt. Video is new. Prob 95% of the video isnt in the old thread. Batman thing: Weird coincidence. The video is pretty mind boggling if its what we are supposed to believe. Edited January 21, 2013 by spunkmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 No hiding that videos agenda! Looks like it was created by some lunatic at the NRA! Half the stuff it claims to be a conspiracy is easily explainable and the stuff about the rifle being in the boot and only hand guns being found in the school etc is evidence of an agenda for the creator of that video! 1.5 million views as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) No hiding that videos agenda! Looks like it was created by some lunatic at the NRA! Half the stuff it claims to be a conspiracy is easily explainable and the stuff about the rifle being in the boot and only hand guns being found in the school etc is evidence of an agenda for the creator of that video! 1.5 million views as well! Most of the stuff is footage from the news and its authentic. All the guy has done is put it together and asked questions. On the news report though, they did say it was only hand guns used (2). Then they got more in that it was actually 4. No other gun was used. But, the medical examiner states live on TV that it was indeed rifle bullets in the victims. So whether or not the boot of the car scene was real, the medical guy confirmed it. There was also another video of the boot scene from another news report. Not saying that its all a cover up but putting out awful mismatching stories and the like to the media to tell is naturally only going to stir up conspiracies. Even if all was revealed as fake, the website part at the end must make you think a bit. With a heavy heart i just wanted it to happen how it was supposed to have happened but after seeing some footage/interviews, its pretty unnerving. Edited January 21, 2013 by spunkmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-19 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 That video does throw up some very interesting points crazy to think it could have all been a act?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 That video does throw up some very interesting points crazy to think it could have all been a act?! Yes, crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Yes, crazy. Thats where my mind goes blank on it all. how and why. Theres just so many holes in the stories from the news/authorities without conspiracist even having to add to it! Its all from whats been presented to us from the media. As i said, i wanted it to have happened as i initially heard it did. But looking at all the oddities in it, no wonder people are thinking their own conclusions. I really cant get my head round how bizarre it all is! Edited January 21, 2013 by spunkmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeeYess Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 We're through the looking-glass here, people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 We're through the looking-glass here, people... We're through the looking-glass here, people... hehe i mind that episode! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Just read through the old thread on this. Jeez, what a calamity. Anyway, ive only based this thread on the stuff thats been put to us via the media/authorities. And on that info alone, theres plenty to scrutinize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Up until Saturday,there has been 1,025 people killed in the USA since the school massacre happened,what a waste of lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Up until Saturday,there has been 1,025 people killed in the USA since the school massacre happened,what a waste of lives. And rather hilariously 5 people injured by accidents at the weekend attending NRA pro gun rallies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkJambo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I didnt read/hear to much about this tradgedy at the time so checked up old news reports on the BBC and on Youtube to get some news footage from the day it happened (Dec 14). Noticed as i was typing SH into Youtube a conspiracy choice came up about it. Really thought there would be nothing in this one but was pretty unsettled with what i was watching. Scary thing is, that most of it it literally from the officials or media and not some people speculating or whos aunties, brothers best pal happened to be walking passed. An i like the way the guy has went about making the video, not accusing but just using logic and the facts that were fed to us to just say that it doesnt really add up. Not just the odd part of it, lots. Make of it what you will. He saves the irrefutable part of it until last. Even if the all the rest was open to too much interpretation, the last part is mental. Seems like if it happened the way it was put to us they'e done a terrible job of making it look that way. Think even the biggest anti conspiracist would admit that something just doesnt sit right on this one! https://www.youtube....pctr=1358728889 Your post is, without doubt, the most ridiculous post I have ever read on Kickback. What is scary is that you have people on here, and on youtube, who don't see how ridiculous these conspiracy theories are! It's insulting to the families to suggest this was a hoax. This was clearly made by some pro-gun nutjob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 And rather hilariously 5 people injured by accidents at the weekend attending NRA pro gun rallies. Tbf it's in their constitution that every citizen has a right to own a pair of bear arms! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The family members were actors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkJambo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I didnt read/hear to much about this tradgedy at the time so checked up old news reports on the BBC and on Youtube to get some news footage from the day it happened (Dec 14). Noticed as i was typing SH into Youtube a conspiracy choice came up about it. Really thought there would be nothing in this one but was pretty unsettled with what i was watching. Scary thing is, that most of it it literally from the officials or media and not some people speculating or whos aunties, brothers best pal happened to be walking passed. An i like the way the guy has went about making the video, not accusing but just using logic and the facts that were fed to us to just say that it doesnt really add up. Not just the odd part of it, lots. Make of it what you will. He saves the irrefutable part of it until last. Even if the all the rest was open to too much interpretation, the last part is mental. Seems like if it happened the way it was put to us they'e done a terrible job of making it look that way. Think even the biggest anti conspiracist would admit that something just doesnt sit right on this one! https://www.youtube....pctr=1358728889 Also, here's two of the main thrusts of the video discredited after a 5 second google search. That search engined don't always reflect accurately when a webpage was created and the article also says there was a second gun left in the trunk of the car. http://www.christianpost.com/news/sandy-hook-hoax-video-conspiracy-claim-draws-11m-views-on-youtube-video-88559/ Anyway, I won't go through and systematically pick apart this ridiculous 'conspiracy' as it's obvious some people are so deranged they will never face facts. A conspiracy on this scale would need to involve hundreds of people and the mainstream media would have uncovered it. Not some nutjob who posted his findings on the internet. AND, if it had happened, you would imagine they wouldn't make the mistake of posting webpages early!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Also, here's two of the main thrusts of the video discredited after a 5 second google search. That search engined don't always reflect accurately when a webpage was created and the article also says there was a second gun left in the trunk of the car. http://www.christianpost.com/news/sandy-hook-hoax-video-conspiracy-claim-draws-11m-views-on-youtube-video-88559/ Anyway, I won't go through and systematically pick apart this ridiculous 'conspiracy' as it's obvious some people are so deranged they will never face facts. A conspiracy on this scale would need to involve hundreds of people and the mainstream media would have uncovered it. Not some nutjob who posted his findings on the internet. AND, if it had happened, you would imagine they wouldn't make the mistake of posting webpages early!! http://www.christianpost.com/news/sandy-hook-hoax-video-conspiracy-claim-draws-11m-views-on-youtube-video-88559/ Not some nutjob who posted his findings on the internet. Ironic. --------------- Anyway, i just stated that its a bit odd some of the things surrounding it. I never once said it was a conspiracy, or told anyone to shut yo mouth, fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkJambo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) http://www.christianpost.com/news/sandy-hook-hoax-video-conspiracy-claim-draws-11m-views-on-youtube-video-88559/ Not some nutjob who posted his findings on the internet. Ironic. --------------- Anyway, i just stated that its a bit odd some of the things surrounding it. I never once said it was a conspiracy, or told anyone to shut yo mouth, fool. Do you SERIOUSLY think this was a hoax? Edited January 21, 2013 by Marky1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Do you SERIOUSLY think this was a hoax? If you've read my posts, you'd have your answer. I just thought some elements to it all were odd. Can i ask you. Who do you think killed JFK? Just curious. Edited January 21, 2013 by spunkmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkJambo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If you've read my posts, you'd have your answer. I just thought some elements to it all were odd. Can i ask you. Who do you think killed JFK? Just curious. I did read your posts and yeah, it does sound like you believe it was a hoax. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. I base that on the reading I have done on the topic and not the movie. While it's a good film, it is not at all based on facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If you've read my posts, you'd have your answer. I just thought some elements to it all were odd. Can i ask you. Who do you think killed JFK? Just curious. You did say that you wanted what was reported to be the whole story but were unnerved by the video. Is that not just around about way of saying you think it's a conspiracy/cover up? And if memory serves me correctly lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, Thomas Hamilton killed 13 children in Dunblane and Osama bin laden was behind the 9/11 attacks! People will always find a conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 And rather hilariously 5 people injured by accidents at the weekend attending NRA pro gun rallies. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I dinnae mind reading or hearing the occasional conspiracy theory, but for some reason, I've found those bandied about regarding this shooting to be particularly offensive to all those involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkJambo Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I dinnae mind reading or hearing the occasional conspiracy theory, but for some reason, I've found those bandied about regarding this shooting to be particularly offensive to all those involved. It's because 1. this involved children 2. this one is SO outrageously ridiculous Edited January 21, 2013 by Marky1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 I did read your posts and yeah, it does sound like you believe it was a hoax. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. I base that on the reading I have done on the topic and not the movie. While it's a good film, it is not at all based on facts. Correct. The way the media put the SH events across was made perfect for people to pick holes in the story. Thats why many believe something else was behind it. Mental, i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkJambo Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The way the media put the SH events across was made perfect for people to pick holes in the story. Thats why many believe something else was behind it. Mental, i know. This was a breaking news story with all sorts of confusion around it. In this day and age where there is 24 hour media there is always going to be misinformation with the authorities, media, and even families of those involved. I watched it all unfold live on television here in the US. I work in Armonk, NY, only 30 minutes drive from Newtown and have a colleague from there which is probably why I have such an issue with the idea this was a hoax. BUT, even without those connections, the idea that actors were hired, people didn't really die etc etc all to push anti-gun legislation is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I dinnae mind reading or hearing the occasional conspiracy theory, but for some reason, I've found those bandied about regarding this shooting to be particularly offensive to all those involved. Yep,too much info always gets out by reporters who ain't got a clue. Not that it makes much difference but that mad ******* Adam Lanza ONLY used hand guns in the Sandy Hook incident. The assault STYLE rifle was left in the car, and never used yet according to some reports he had one along with the hand guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 This was a breaking news story with all sorts of confusion around it. In this day and age where there is 24 hour media there is always going to be misinformation with the authorities, media, and even families of those involved. I watched it all unfold live on television here in the US. I work in Armonk, NY, only 30 minutes drive from Newtown and have a colleague from there which is probably why I have such an issue with the idea this was a hoax. BUT, even without those connections, the idea that actors were hired, people didn't really die etc etc all to push anti-gun legislation is ludicrous. I agree. The way it was reported just had an unfortunate number of inconsistencies through information put to the media too early probably. Changing bits of the story through this didnt help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Yep,too much info always gets out by reporters who ain't got a clue. Not that it makes much difference but that mad ******* Adam Lanza ONLY used hand guns in the Sandy Hook incident. The assault STYLE rifle was left in the car, and never used yet according to some reports he had one along with the hand guns. This is what i mean. Obviously an official has told the media their findings. What goes wrong after that? Its like a chain of chinese whispers from the media until us, but bits change on the way. How hard is it to just say it how it is? Edited January 22, 2013 by spunkmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I agree. The way it was reported just had an unfortunate number of inconsistencies through information put to the media too early probably. Changing bits of the story through this didnt help. Te problem with today's Internet culture is that everyone expects to know everything instantly. And much of what is "reported" is taken as fact, which then leads to credibility issues. One of my cousins was in a cinema in Aurora watching the Dark Knight Rises the night that prick went on the rampage. Her parents were away traveling in another city, and had quite a nerve-wracking few hours before they established she was luckily in a different cinema. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross21 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Yep,too much info always gets out by reporters who ain't got a clue. Not that it makes much difference but that mad ******* Adam Lanza ONLY used hand guns in the Sandy Hook incident. The assault STYLE rifle was left in the car, and never used yet according to some reports he had one along with the hand guns. And you know this as fact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 And you know this as fact? Yep I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Te problem with today's Internet culture is that everyone expects to know everything instantly. And much of what is "reported" is taken as fact, which then leads to credibility issues. One of my cousins was in a cinema in Aurora watching the Dark Knight Rises the night that prick went on the rampage. Her parents were away traveling in another city, and had quite a nerve-wracking few hours before they established she was luckily in a different cinema. Yet another 4 people from Aurora were shot dead 2 weeks ago including the gunman himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jamboinglasgow Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The thing to remember about youtube based documentary is that they have no obligation to offer a defence of the opposite point of view. So they are all one sided and it means they will take things out of context and exaggerate minor issues to back the only point they are supporting. Even some major investigative documentries are like that as well (with only the limited amount of time to allow the counter view to be on screen.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 One of the fathers of the victims, 6 year old SIX YEARS OLD. took his own life today. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47698340 ****** heartbreaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helzibob Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: ****** heartbreaking. It truly is. Yet there’s still absolute cock wombles our there that still believe it was a hoax/conspiracy. Probably the same people who deny the holocaust. What those families went though can’t even be imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Helzibob said: It truly is. Yet there’s still absolute cock wombles our there that still believe it was a hoax/conspiracy. Probably the same people who deny the holocaust. What those families went though can’t even be imagined. And 2 kids from Parkland committed suicide last week. ''Survivors guilt'' 19 year old kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helzibob Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Bridge of Djoum said: And 2 kids from Parkland committed suicide last week. ''Survivors guilt'' 19 year old kids. FFS, I didn’t know that. I was on holiday in my own wee bubble. Poor kids having to live through that. NZ makes pretty much immediate gun law changes yet America just offers their thoughts and prayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 21/01/2013 at 00:28, Brandt said: I didnt read/hear to much about this tradgedy at the time so checked up old news reports on the BBC and on Youtube to get some news footage from the day it happened (Dec 14). Noticed as i was typing SH into Youtube a conspiracy choice came up about it. Really thought there would be nothing in this one but was pretty unsettled with what i was watching. Scary thing is, that most of it it literally from the officials or media and not some people speculating or whos aunties, brothers best pal happened to be walking passed. An i like the way the guy has went about making the video, not accusing but just using logic and the facts that were fed to us to just say that it doesnt really add up. Not just the odd part of it, lots. Make of it what you will. He saves the irrefutable part of it until last. Even if the all the rest was open to too much interpretation, the last part is mental. Seems like if it happened the way it was put to us they'e done a terrible job of making it look that way. Think even the biggest anti conspiracist would admit that something just doesnt sit right on this one! https://www.youtube....pctr=1358728889 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, Helzibob said: FFS, I didn’t know that. I was on holiday in my own wee bubble. Poor kids having to live through that. NZ makes pretty much immediate gun law changes yet America just offers their thoughts and prayers. Literally the least a human being could do, to think about them for a minute. I get why some people need their religion but in cases like this it's used as a substitute for actually doing anything. Should we ban guns? No, thoughts and prayers. The conspiracy stuff has been well covered and satan's tools like Alex Jones have got gullible people so worked up that grieving parents have had death threats amid accusations of being part of a conspiracy. Jones should be forced to apologise in person to each and every one of those parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirudi Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I posted this previously on another topic, but very relevant to this one. Read the second example which deals with Sandy Hook. A shameful pile of lies cantering on a fake conspiracy theory and targeting a guy who’s son was killed there. Horrible stuff. bottom line is that manufacturing conspiracy theories is a business and makes people money. One of the biggest offenders is a guy called Alex Jones who just makes this type of crap up and ruins people’s lives. They are often associated with the alt right and radical extremists in general in the USA who eagerly lap up this stuff. They can sound convincing but there tends to be no truth to it whatsoever. They pick an innocent victim and spin the yarn. read the link and see how innocent people have become victims of the most outrages conspiracy theories. Including the Parkland shooting in USA which was the deadliest high school shooting. Very scary stuff. As the guy says, “ there is no truth anymore. Just what’s trending on Twitter” https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/23/conspiracy-theories-internet-survivors-truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Helzibob said: It truly is. Yet there’s still absolute cock wombles our there that still believe it was a hoax/conspiracy. Probably the same people who deny the holocaust. What those families went though can’t even be imagined. Absolute ****ing scumbags those folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: Absolute ****ing scumbags those folk. This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 17 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said: One of the fathers of the victims, 6 year old SIX YEARS OLD. took his own life today. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47698340 ****** heartbreaking. He had two other kids as well, which makes it even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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