Stuart Lyon Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 could have paid for more track just beyond current terminus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Stuart Lyon said: could have paid for more track just beyond current terminus. True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/08/2017 at 21:55, davemclaren said: An extension seems sensible given the high investment in the current line. Going to Leith opens up a lot more passenger potential. It does in the fact it would go to more destinations, therefore increasing numbers, but I don't think it will increase enough to justify the extra cost, far more things around this city in need of funding. It's too slow, it stops at every stop, whether someone is getting on/off or not. Sitting there wasting time while nothing happens. I was genuinely concerned about the tram coming, as I thought I'd lose a lot of business to it, but I just sit at lights watching it pass with hardly a soul on it. A total waste of money and still continuing to cost us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 LB I totally agree with you ! A vanity project by our elected Councillors (mostly ex councillors now) who have been exposed as numpties by the inquiry. The current councillors are hell bent on ignoring the economic madness of any extension of the lame duck in order to match the incompetence of their predecessors. Why do they still hide the interest and maintenance costs using "commercial confidence" as an excuse? How can it be commercially sensitive if there isn't a rival tram! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Never mind another x amount of hundreds of millions on a 2.5 miles max tram extention. Fix the poor condition of the city roads. Probably the worst in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 The seethe thread should have a daily mention of this embarrassment. City centre sitting gridlocked whilst we sit waiting and waiting on the dozen folk slowly passing by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 57 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Never mind another x amount of hundreds of millions on a 2.5 miles max tram extention. Fix the poor condition of the city roads. Probably the worst in the UK. The roads and road works must be the worst Edinburgh has had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, John Findlay said: Never mind another x amount of hundreds of millions on a 2.5 miles max tram extention. Fix the poor condition of the city roads. Probably the worst in the UK. 4 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: The roads and road works must be the worst Edinburgh has had. Never seen so many roadworks in my life, yet they seem to get worse by the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said: The seethe thread should have a daily mention of this embarrassment. City centre sitting gridlocked whilst we sit waiting and waiting on the dozen folk slowly passing by. I would have loved an empty tram after the Partick game. First at Murrayfield was too full to get on, and the next only just managed to get on. They also need to increase the frequency when they know there is a game finishing at Tynecastle on a Saturday afternoon. PS:. I also hate the new advertising on the outside of the trams. Edited November 23, 2017 by King Of The Cat Cafe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, King Of The Cat Cafe said: I would have loved an empty tram after the Partick game. First at Murrayfield was too full to get on, and the next only just managed to get on. They also need to increase the frequency when they know there is a game finishing at Tynecastle on a Saturday afternoon. PS:. I also hate the new advertising on the outside of the trams. It is rammed on certain occasions, but nowhere near enough to justify the exorbitant price tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Love the tram. Really hope we extend all over the city area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 57 minutes ago, Dunks said: I like them Each to their own 50 minutes ago, pablo said: Love the tram. Really hope we extend all over the city area Love...wtf!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 9 hours ago, pablo said: Love the tram. Really hope we extend all over the city area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Everyone who thought this farce was a good idea needs flogged in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Original plan: 3-line network covering almost all major areas of the city. Total cost: £350million. Business case: 50,000 new homes to be built at Newhaven and along the shoreline. 2008 crash wiped out the Newhaven and shoreline developments, which led to the cancellation of the line serving them. Business case a wreck. Council bashes on anyways. End result: 1/2 of one line, £1billion cost, city laden with 400million of debt, being paid back over 30 years whilst leisure centres, community centres, public toilets, libraries, bin collections and other services are cut every year. There should be jail time over this scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, King Of The Cat Cafe said: I would have loved an empty tram after the Partick game. First at Murrayfield was too full to get on, and the next only just managed to get on. They also need to increase the frequency when they know there is a game finishing at Tynecastle on a Saturday afternoon. PS:. I also hate the new advertising on the outside of the trams. My nephew is responsible for that! Edited November 24, 2017 by ...a bit disco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said: Everyone who thought this farce was a good idea needs flogged in public. There will probably be an inquiry into the inquiry to find out why the inquiry is costing so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 23 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: There will probably be an inquiry into the inquiry to find out why the inquiry is costing so much. Which will cost more than the original inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Trams are amazing, any decent city should and does have a tram network. Edinburgh's needs expanded and quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, cheetah said: Trams are amazing, any decent city should and does have a tram network. Edinburgh's needs expanded and quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, cheetah said: Trams are amazing, any decent city should and does have a tram network. Edinburgh's needs expanded and quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnybob72 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) Everyone involved in agreeing to the tram project on the first place or overseeing the project itself should be executed. Then their assets should be sold with money raised going to offset cuts in public spending made as a result of the tram overspend. Anything less is a whitewash. Edited November 24, 2017 by skinnybob72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 7 hours ago, Cade said: Original plan: 3-line network covering almost all major areas of the city. Total cost: £350million. Business case: 50,000 new homes to be built at Newhaven and along the shoreline. 2008 crash wiped out the Newhaven and shoreline developments, which led to the cancellation of the line serving them. Business case a wreck. Council bashes on anyways. End result: 1/2 of one line, £1billion cost, city laden with 400million of debt, being paid back over 30 years whilst leisure centres, community centres, public toilets, libraries, bin collections and other services are cut every year. There should be jail time over this scandal. Absolutely correct! But we all know that once the "Inquiry" decides (as per the Holyrood Inquiry) that as no one person is to blame we'll just move on to the next massive waste of taxpayers money and we'll still not give the plebs a referendum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 hours ago, skinnybob72 said: Everyone involved in agreeing to the tram project on the first place or overseeing the project itself should be executed. Then their assets should be sold with money raised going to offset cuts in public spending made as a result of the tram overspend. Anything less is a whitewash. I concur . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Cade said: Original plan: 3-line network covering almost all major areas of the city. Total cost: £350million. Business case: 50,000 new homes to be built at Newhaven and along the shoreline. 2008 crash wiped out the Newhaven and shoreline developments, which led to the cancellation of the line serving them. Business case a wreck. Council bashes on anyways. End result: 1/2 of one line, £1billion cost, city laden with 400million of debt, being paid back over 30 years whilst leisure centres, community centres, public toilets, libraries, bin collections and other services are cut every year. There should be jail time over this scandal. The £350m was the very earliest cost projection, and was for one line and a spur from Haymarket to Granton. The line to the new Royal was to be funded by the congestion charge that was voted out. The final cost was way over budget at £776 million (and the enquiry into that is ongoing) not £1billion / £1.2 billion / make up number you overheard from a bloke in the pub billion. Edited November 24, 2017 by FWJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 13:55, The Real Maroonblood said: Inquiry over £7m so far So how is that 7million spent, obviously someone or persons scoring out of this, hope their tax code is adjusted . Certainly quick enough on taxing me on every penny i toil to earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 34 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: So how is that 7million spent, obviously someone or persons scoring out of this, hope their tax code is adjusted . Certainly quick enough on taxing me on every penny i toil to earn. The only people making money are the Lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 34 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: So how is that 7million spent, obviously someone or persons scoring out of this, hope their tax code is adjusted . Certainly quick enough on taxing me on every penny i toil to earn. No doubt there will be a few who are scoring out of this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 22 minutes ago, frankblack said: The only people making money are the Lawyers. So the people actually conducting the enquiry are doing it for nothing Frank, rather doubt that, but you are correct on the lawyers, money for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Harry Potter said: So the people actually conducting the enquiry are doing it for nothing Frank, rather doubt that, but you are correct on the lawyers, money for nothing. At the end of the day nothing will be learned from the enquiry and nobody will be held accountable. Lawyers, judges, and whoever else is working on this will milk it for all they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 47 minutes ago, frankblack said: At the end of the day nothing will be learned from the enquiry and nobody will be held accountable. Lawyers, judges, and whoever else is working on this will milk it for all they can. Correct Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 THE final true cost of the tram project will be over £1 billion, the inquiry into the troubled project has been told. Inquiry counsel Euan Mackenzie QC said on top of the official £776m price for the scheme, there had been £44m tram-related spending by the council or the Scottish Government and there would be interest payments on borrowing over 30 years totalling £182.5m. Mr Mackenzie said: “If these are added together, one comes to over £1 billion, which from a lay perspective may be said to be the true cost of the tram project.” Justified ? Not for me ,the interest charges alone are incredible . CEC must be at its worst ever financial position and a lot of it is self inflicted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: THE final true cost of the tram project will be over £1 billion, the inquiry into the troubled project has been told. Inquiry counsel Euan Mackenzie QC said on top of the official £776m price for the scheme, there had been £44m tram-related spending by the council or the Scottish Government and there would be interest payments on borrowing over 30 years totalling £182.5m. Mr Mackenzie said: “If these are added together, one comes to over £1 billion, which from a lay perspective may be said to be the true cost of the tram project.” Justified ? Not for me ,the interest charges alone are incredible . CEC must be at its worst ever financial position and a lot of it is self inflicted . I wonder how Experian came up with a figure of £1.6billion in 2012? What else did they include that the Council have omitted? Edited December 14, 2017 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Is there a benefits realisation report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 What other infrastructure project includes the interest payments in the final cost? I bought my flat for £80k - and I say the flat cost £80k. I don’t include the interest payments and say my flat cost £105k. And I have yet to meet anyone that does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, FWJ said: What other infrastructure project includes the interest payments in the final cost? I bought my flat for £80k - and I say the flat cost £80k. I don’t include the interest payments and say my flat cost £105k. And I have yet to meet anyone that does. I think they include running costs too. Should be a straight split between capital and revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 As far as running costs go, it’s operating at a profit isn’t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 hours ago, 3fingersreid said: THE final true cost of the tram project will be over £1 billion, the inquiry into the troubled project has been told. Inquiry counsel Euan Mackenzie QC said on top of the official £776m price for the scheme, there had been £44m tram-related spending by the council or the Scottish Government and there would be interest payments on borrowing over 30 years totalling £182.5m. Mr Mackenzie said: “If these are added together, one comes to over £1 billion, which from a lay perspective may be said to be the true cost of the tram project.” Justified ? Not for me ,the interest charges alone are incredible . CEC must be at its worst ever financial position and a lot of it is self inflicted . An absolute disgrace for a white elephant. The muppets involved should hang their heads in shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Do you remember that baldy headed Labour guy who was put in charge of this fiasco for a while (name forgets me) but he had a degree......in Social Work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, FWJ said: As far as running costs go, it’s operating at a profit isn’t it? Not sure. Some like to throw in running costs to make the number sound bigger and badder though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb102 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Edinburgh tram extension cost soars to £207m Here we go again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, jb102 said: Edinburgh tram extension cost soars to £207m Here we go again. What a surprise for this white elephant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 What would that take the cost to build to if completed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: What would that take the cost to build to if completed ? We'll never be told the true cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: What would that take the cost to build to if completed ? Probably about £1.5 Billion at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 we are getting these next, worth every penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Councillor Cammy Day thinks people from Newhaven will use it to get to the airport - well they better pack a piece and a flask as it will take forever to get there by vanity tram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Stuart Lyon said: Councillor Cammy Day thinks people from Newhaven will use it to get to the airport - well they better pack a piece and a flask as it will take forever to get there by vanity tram. Not once Phase III is built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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