Scottish independence and devolution superthread

[Boab]

2 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Oh NOOOO. Not request a Section 30! I didnt realise he was going to play "hard ball"!!!

😂

Well it is a bit less dramatic than your suggestions.

 

[Boab]

12 minutes ago, lost in space said:

You may well be right about the number of Labour supporters who would vote YES but I believe that most of Scotland dont actually want another referendum.

If there was a ref, it would probably be a similar vote than the last time.   Depending on the timing, it could be very close.  I do believe in democracy - but  taking Scotland out of the UK with something like 51% YES, would be a mistake, in my opinion.

 

A referendum every 10 years - but with a 60% vote for Indy requirement, is what I would prefer.  It will never happen though (which I understand and accept).

We were taken out of the EU with 52% to 48%.
Now that was a mistake !

[lost in space]

14 minutes ago, Boab said:

We were taken out of the EU with 52% to 48%.
Now that was a mistake !

Come on Boab, we wernt taken out of the EU - we wuz "dragged oot"!

And yes, it was a mistake, which Starmer is trying to correct.

[Boab]

1 minute ago, lost in space said:

Come on Boab, we wernt taken out of the EU - we wuz "dragged oot"!

And yes, it was a mistake, which Starmer is trying to correct.

Dragged oot screaming !

Glad that mistake is being reversed !

😎

[manaliveits105]

A former SNP council leader has been jailed for 18 months for sexually assaulting five young men.

Jordan Linden, who stood down as leader of North Lanarkshire Council in 2022 after the allegations emerged, was convicted in March following a seven-day trial.
 

Awful behaviour but no surprise when his party leaders won’t adhere to high court ruling on gender and want to hold hands with the green deviants. 

 

 

[manaliveits105]

Honest Johns first interview with BBC outside Holyrood 

asked about going for Indy and he clearly said he would be working towards it in the years to come .

Into the long grass it seems !

 

[Taffin]

I think the SNP and independence need to be decoupled. People keep voting for a party who wouldn't and couldn't move the dial in decades of the worst Tory government.

 

They're a blocker rather than a vehicle to it imo. I don't think you can any longer see support for the SNP as support for independence. Until they get a shoeing and go back to being something akin to pre Sturgeon, or another party emerges it'll never happen.

Edited May 8 by Taffin

[The Mighty Thor]

23 minutes ago, Taffin said:

I think the SNP and independence need to be decoupled. 

I think most folk, apart from the slavers on here, already have decoupled it on a level. 

Scottish people seem to continually want the SNP to govern Scotland. Every. Single. Time. 

 

In reality if it wasn't for the electoral system we have up here then you'd barely have anyone else in Holyrood. 

[Hagar the Horrible]

Interesting though on the vote share over 1m Scots voted for Brexit, but the SNP had 850k, even talking about Indy is out there is NO mandate no matter how much spin

[lost in space]

What we all want to know is when we are going to get the first poll from @Gundermann for the 2031 election.

I bet it will be next week...............................

[Gundermann]

13 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Interesting though on the vote share over 1m Scots voted for Brexit, but the SNP had 850k, even talking about Indy is out there is NO mandate no matter how much spin

 

Strange though that Tory and Labour were warning just a few days ago that a vote for the SNP was a vote to break up Britain/ neverendums etc...

 

Now, it's all 'sure, there's this huge pro-independence majority but that's no mandate'.

 

And, if the Greens are not really pro-independence, despite demanding a new Indyref as well, then why can't all the Yoons gang together to vote down the SNP?

[JamboGlen]

Swinney plans to request a referendum hahaha brilliant. He knows fine there won't be one but gets to carry on in his nice wee job while the wee sheep keep voting for them. 

[H2]

On 03/05/2026 at 07:21, Dirty Deeds said:

Reads like a Hobby analysing JTA's signings 

 

Circumstances will dictate the future of the Union

 

Ignoring an SNP majority just makes Westminster look undemocratic. The prevailing winds in Wales and N.Ireland also matter.

Fact shows that less then 23% of the electorate voted SNP. Which equates to 77% don't support them. There is a democratic circumstance. 

[Boab]

1 hour ago, H2 said:

Fact shows that less then 23% of the electorate voted SNP. Which equates to 77% don't support them. There is a democratic circumstance. 

Don’t know where those figures come from but regardless they mean nothing if there was another Referendum. Many non-SNP voters voted YES last time.

[H2]

14 hours ago, Boab said:

Don’t know where those figures come from but regardless they mean nothing if there was another Referendum. Many non-SNP voters voted YES last time.

Quite easy, electorate about 4m, SNP vote 887,000. Yes to unity. Why does Swinney goon about mandates and democracy if the figures mean nothing? Or is it like this example, select the figures that suit your argument.

[Dirty Deeds]

6 minutes ago, H2 said:

Quite easy, electorate about 4m, SNP vote 887,000. Yes to unity. Why does Swinney goon about mandates and democracy if the figures mean nothing? Or is it like this example, select the figures that suit your argument.

Counting abstentions is a bit too Soviet for my taste 

[H2]

16 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said:

Counting abstentions is a bit too Soviet for my taste 

It demonstrates a large lack of appetite and distrust. In democracy to change the status quo you should be able to demonstrate that at least more than 50% of the people want that change.

[Dirty Deeds]

17 minutes ago, H2 said:

It demonstrates a large lack of appetite and distrust. In democracy to change the status quo you should be able to demonstrate that at least more than 50% of the people want that change.

And yet Brexit happened with 37.4% of the vote

[H2]

2 hours ago, Dirty Deeds said:

And yet Brexit happened with 37.4% of the vote

yes, that was wrong, so wrong

[Boab]

4 hours ago, H2 said:

Quite easy, electorate about 4m, SNP vote 887,000. Yes to unity. Why does Swinney goon about mandates and democracy if the figures mean nothing? Or is it like this example, select the figures that suit your argument.

It would be great if turnouts at elections were in the 90’s percentage wise, but they’re not. 53% turned out on Thursday. The other 47% are not anti-SNP as claimed. 

[H2]

14 minutes ago, Boab said:

It would be great if turnouts at elections were in the 90’s percentage wise, but they’re not. 53% turned out on Thursday. The other 47% are not anti-SNP as claimed. 

they were obviously no pro SNP either, in fact less than half of the 53% turn out were pro snp

[manaliveits105]

14 minutes ago, H2 said:

they were obviously no pro SNP either, in fact less than half of the 53% turn out were pro snp

but but it’s a mandate though ay 😂

[Boab]

3 hours ago, H2 said:

they were obviously no pro SNP either, in fact less than half of the 53% turn out were pro snp

I get that but we can’t judge how the 47% would have voted. 
If we mirrored them against the 53% that did turn out it would be a close thing.

[manaliveits105]

Swinney certainly needs sectioned 

[jack D and coke]

 

[H2]

19 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

but but it’s a mandate though ay 😂

PMSL aye farting in the wind is mandate for the SNP

[H2]

15 hours ago, Boab said:

I get that but we can’t judge how the 47% would have voted. 
If we mirrored them against the 53% that did turn out it would be a close thing.

Lots of different ways for us to manipulate figures. I'd say 47% think none of the parties are worthy of their vote.

[Boab]

6 minutes ago, H2 said:

Lots of different ways for us to manipulate figures. I'd say 47% think none of the parties are worthy of their vote.

Possibly right. There will always be around 20% who have, and never had, any interest in politics. 
Find it strange as the policies affect them as much as anyone else.

A situation that leads to things like the Green vote.

Some of them will, no doubt, moan about the aforementioned characters !

 

[jack D and coke]

15 minutes ago, H2 said:

Lots of different ways for us to manipulate figures. I'd say 47% think none of the parties are worthy of their vote.

It needs to mean something at the end of the day that’s how the indyref got such a high turnout. 
I’ve been pretty political most of my life but I switched off almost every debate between these clowns.

I hate them all. 
I want something radical to come into the space but the only radical Scotland sees now is things with blue hair, that want borders wide open, jails closed and hard drugs legalised. 
 

[OmiyaHearts]

33 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

It needs to mean something at the end of the day that’s how the indyref got such a high turnout. 
I’ve been pretty political most of my life but I switched off almost every debate between these clowns.

I hate them all. 
I want something radical to come into the space but the only radical Scotland sees now is things with blue hair, that want borders wide open, jails closed and hard drugs legalised. 
 

From my group of mates, who usually all vote, 3 out of the 10 didn't bother this time. Basically felt it was pointless and all parties are a terrible choice with no decent candidates. No one really knew any parties promises etc. 

I have the same view, all our parties are a terrible option and it's horrible putting an X in the box for someone you distrust and dislike. Unfortunately I had to force myself to pick one, but I'd rather vote for someone than no one.

[H2]

46 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

It needs to mean something at the end of the day that’s how the indyref got such a high turnout. 
I’ve been pretty political most of my life but I switched off almost every debate between these clowns.

I hate them all. 
I want something radical to come into the space but the only radical Scotland sees now is things with blue hair, that want borders wide open, jails closed and hard drugs legalised. 
 

I can't disagree with any of that. It's all just a game to them to realise personal ego and power. And now so many of them seen to think not remembering is an acceptable answer.

[Boab]

10 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

From my group of mates, who usually all vote, 3 out of the 10 didn't bother this time. Basically felt it was pointless and all parties are a terrible choice with no decent candidates. No one really knew any parties promises etc. 

I have the same view, all our parties are a terrible option and it's horrible putting an X in the box for someone you distrust and dislike. Unfortunately I had to force myself to pick one, but I'd rather vote for someone than no one.

That’s where choosing someone who will make real, tangible differences to your finances come in and I made my decision based on that.

The Nats get criticised but it’s a fact that 55% in Scotland are better off tax wise here. Free bus pass and free tuition fees for offspring are three things that are tangible and save money for a lot of people.

It’s not selfish in my view. It’s common sense voting.

[OmiyaHearts]

55 minutes ago, Boab said:

That’s where choosing someone who will make real, tangible differences to your finances come in and I made my decision based on that.

The Nats get criticised but it’s a fact that 55% in Scotland are better off tax wise here. Free bus pass and free tuition fees for offspring are three things that are tangible and save money for a lot of people.

It’s not selfish in my view. It’s common sense voting.

The SNP do make a real difference to my wage, but not positively, due to their 43.5k threshold for 42% tax (compared to 50k / 40% in England). I have no kids so bus passes / education don't impact me or interest me, but appreciate that's not the case for everyone.

I understand there are benefits of this increased tax that other people less well off enjoy but I am not feeling in much of a charitable mood nowadays, with less disposable income due to increased rent, ctax, travel and most groceries. Feels like people on medium salaries, with no families, are footing an extra bill for very little in return. It's a lot more difficult to vote for the greater good, when you don't feel any personal positives that others benefit from.

 

Still voted for SNP as it was best option of a really poor choice of parties and politicians. Basically just to keep out the right-wingers. But I do feel like I am being screwed a bit by SNP. As a Pollokshields resident I will obviously never, ever vote for a right wing party. But it does leave very limited options, as none of the parties resonate with me or seem to offer anything that will improve my quality of life.

 

It just feels like we're trying to keep the bad ones out, rather than get good ones in.

Edited May 12 by OmiyaHearts

[Boab]

11 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

The SNP do make a real difference to my wage, but not positively, due to their 43.5k threshold for 42% tax (compared to 50k / 40% in England). I have no kids so bus passes / education don't impact me or interest me, but appreciate that's not the case for everyone.

I understand there are benefits of this increased tax that other people less well off enjoy but I am not feeling in much of a charitable mood nowadays, with less disposable income due to increased rent, ctax, travel and most groceries. Feels like people on medium salaries, with no families, are footing an extra bill for very little in return. It's a lot more difficult to vote for the greater good, when you don't feel any personal positives that others benefit from.

 

Still voted for SNP as it was best option of a really poor choice of parties and politicians. Basically just to keep out the right-wingers. But I do feel like I am being screwed a bit by SNP. As a Pollokshields resident I will obviously never, ever vote for a right wing party. But it does leave very limited options, as none of the parties resonate with me or seem to offer anything that will improve my quality of life.

 

It just feels like we're trying to keep the bad ones out, rather than get good ones in.

Totally get it, mate. I genuinely believe that there isn’t a party out there that would make my finances better. Again, sounds selfish but who, honestly, would vote for someone that would make their finances worse. If someone voted Tory because their tax might be lower, I get it. 
Number one priority for most people, if they were being completely honest, is finance. I’m financially better off under the SNP. It’s a no brainer.

[Thunder and Lightning]

I'll vote for whoever bans balaclavas and makes wee ned *******s take responsibility for their actions. 

 

If parents don't show kids right from wrong then the state should. 

[Australis]

Just seen the Green trans MSP here on a visa, has called on Scots to pay reperations to Palestinians.

 

Our Scottish Parliament is so Micky mouse and a laughing stock now.

 

Shut it down.

Edited Monday at 09:35 by Australis

[dobmisterdobster]

11 hours ago, Australis said:

Just seen the Green trans MSP here on a visa, has called on Scots to pay reperations to Palestinians.

 

Our Scottish Parliament is so Micky mouse and a laughing stock now.

 

Shut it down.

 

What a joke. The "shortbread senate" accusations were proven correct. I agree, shut it down if it's going to be a student union forum.

[Chairman of the Bored]

12 hours ago, Australis said:

Just seen the Green trans MSP here on a visa, has called on Scots to pay reperations to Palestinians.

 

Our Scottish Parliament is so Micky mouse and a laughing stock now.

 

Shut it down.

What for?

[indianajones]

14 hours ago, Chairman of the Bored said:

What for?

 

For being white. 

 

It hates white people. 

[Chairman of the Bored]

23 minutes ago, indianajones said:

 

For being white. 

 

It hates white people. 

Another first for Scotland. Trans chancers like this one come here and don’t even need to pay for surgery because they’ve laughed their cocks off. 

[indianajones]

3 minutes ago, Chairman of the Bored said:

Another first for Scotland. Trans chancers like this one come here and don’t even need to pay for surgery because they’ve laughed their cocks off. 

 

Then run for office and people actually vote them in.

 

Then want to give all our money away to Palestine. 

 

They can all get to ****. ****in' suicidal empathy in motion.

[Chairman of the Bored]

2 minutes ago, indianajones said:

 

Then run for office and people actually vote them in.

 

Then want to give all our money away to Palestine. 

 

They can all get to ****. ****in' suicidal empathy in motion.

It’s shite like this that makes side with Israel. 

[indianajones]

Just now, Chairman of the Bored said:

It’s shite like this that makes side with Israel. 

 

I know what you mean but **** them too. 

[Gundermann]

More ferry chaos. We need the competent folk in Westminster to sort this out. SNP out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz6e0vplgldt

[The Real Maroonblood]

27 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

More ferry chaos. We need the competent folk in Westminster to sort this out. SNP out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz6e0vplgldt

[lost in space]

2 hours ago, Gundermann said:

More ferry chaos. We need the competent folk in Westminster to sort this out. SNP out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz6e0vplgldt

You are comparing the huge infrastructure project that will modernise the transport in what is probably the UKs busiest business area - to keeping a few wee boats running?

 

Can you expand on this comparison? - eg, the numbers that each area will be transporting so that we can better see why a comparison would be reasonable?

 

No?........... I thought not!

 

[Australis]

On 18/05/2026 at 10:34, Australis said:

Just seen the Green trans MSP here on a visa, has called on Scots to pay reperations to Palestinians.

 

Our Scottish Parliament is so Micky mouse and a laughing stock now.

 

Shut it down.

Seen a post from Humza Yousaf on social media today saying, Scotland should pay reperations for slavery.

 

Not sure if it was an old one or a new one.

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Australis

[Libertarian]

On 18/05/2026 at 10:34, Australis said:

Just seen the Green trans MSP here on a visa, has called on Scots to pay reperations to Palestinians.

 

Our Scottish Parliament is so Micky mouse and a laughing stock now.

 

Shut it down.

While ordinary folk are struggling to pay bills and mortgages while poverty is increasing with many unable to feed their families,  the Scottish Greens will undermine trust and respect for our Parliament by their fixation on identity politics.  The Greens are an absolute gift for the Unionists and growing numbers of Scots will demand the closure of the Holyrood Circus.

[dobmisterdobster]

1 hour ago, Libertarian said:

While ordinary folk are struggling to pay bills and mortgages while poverty is increasing with many unable to feed their families,  the Scottish Greens will undermine trust and respect for our Parliament by their fixation on identity politics.  The Greens are an absolute gift for the Unionists and growing numbers of Scots will demand the closure of the Holyrood Circus.

 

Whether you are left or right, nationalist or unionist. Identity politics is poison.

[Inchgarvie]

3 hours ago, Australis said:

Seen a post from Humza Yousaf on social media today saying, Scotland should pay reperations for slavery.

 

Not sure if it was an old one or a new one.