JudyJudyJudy Posted October 11 Posted October 11 2 hours ago, JamboGlen said: John Swinney would promote more immigration in an independent Scotland with more relaxed rules about who can live and work in the country, his new Scexit paper revealed. The proposals include migrants gaining a visa if they learn to speak Gaelic, and they would be allowed to invite their entire family over as well, even if they don't work. Who still votes for these bams? What a sad reflection on our country. It’s a joke . Another nail In their coffin .
manaliveits105 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 50 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: It’s a joke . Another nail In their coffin . Yep it's an open goal with Reform looming large which Scotland don't want but Swinney's everybody and their family are welcome here whether legally or illegally is electoral suicide
henryheart Posted October 12 Posted October 12 23 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said: What purpose would having a large group of SNP hating independence supporters sitting as MSPs? It’s not going to get us Indy or a referendum, we sent a super majority of MPs to Warminster and it achieved nothing. Even if it could get us a referendum, it can’t, then we would lose it again. There is one way and one way only to get independence and that is to convince a large enough group of people that live here that they want it. 65% or above. The only way to do that is to have a well run SNP government that provides excellent services for the nation, Health, Education, Councils etc. Stop the marginal around the edges BS politics and run the country. Likewise the only way to get rid of the SNP in Government is a well run Labour Government in Westminster. Those are what moved swing voters the rest doesn’t matter but for a few % points here and there. This is it. I will never be one of the 65%, but the SNP has proved itself to be grossly incompetent over it's term in office. Swinney's latest drivel really is nothing different to what we have heard before and, as always there is not one piece of substance to back it up.
Malinga the Swinga Posted October 12 Posted October 12 23 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said: What purpose would having a large group of SNP hating independence supporters sitting as MSPs? It’s not going to get us Indy or a referendum, we sent a super majority of MPs to Warminster and it achieved nothing. Even if it could get us a referendum, it can’t, then we would lose it again. There is one way and one way only to get independence and that is to convince a large enough group of people that live here that they want it. 65% or above. The only way to do that is to have a well run SNP government that provides excellent services for the nation, Health, Education, Councils etc. Stop the marginal around the edges BS politics and run the country. Likewise the only way to get rid of the SNP in Government is a well run Labour Government in Westminster. Those are what moved swing voters the rest doesn’t matter but for a few % points here and there. Probably the first post of yours on this thread I agree with. Unfortunately neither party wants to work positively to change the thoughts of voters preferring instead to focus on division. Quite sad really
Libertarian Posted October 12 Posted October 12 On 11/10/2025 at 08:48, Dennis Denuto said: What purpose would having a large group of SNP hating independence supporters sitting as MSPs? It’s not going to get us Indy or a referendum, we sent a super majority of MPs to Warminster and it achieved nothing. Even if it could get us a referendum, it can’t, then we would lose it again. There is one way and one way only to get independence and that is to convince a large enough group of people that live here that they want it. 65% or above. The only way to do that is to have a well run SNP government that provides excellent services for the nation, Health, Education, Councils etc. Stop the marginal around the edges BS politics and run the country. Likewise the only way to get rid of the SNP in Government is a well run Labour Government in Westminster. Those are what moved swing voters the rest doesn’t matter but for a few % points here and there. Why claim a defacto referendum using an election won’t work, when using an election was cited as a legitimate option in the UK Supreme Court judgement? Professor McCorquodale was clear, the right to self determination is for the Scottish people to decide, not the predecessor state. Well done to the SNP rebels for their impassioned contributions, but Swinney’s plan won’t deliver for Scotland.
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 13 Posted October 13 23 hours ago, Libertarian said: Why claim a defacto referendum using an election won’t work, when using an election was cited as a legitimate option in the UK Supreme Court judgement? Professor McCorquodale was clear, the right to self determination is for the Scottish people to decide, not the predecessor state. Well done to the SNP rebels for their impassioned contributions, but Swinney’s plan won’t deliver for Scotland. They did that at the last general election, and the answer to that was written all over that Sturgeons face, once the exit polls were published. Swinney is just doing rinse and repeat politics, raise the banner, placate the faithful, then bring it down quickly. As a call to arms it was the least rousing ever, I just wanted to pat him on the head, could not even ruffle his fringe . His plan had zero substance, it was in case of emergency break glass. But Immigration is growing as the biggest issue right now, as we see Scots going to Migrant hotels to protest, I have never seen that before, flags on lampposts also. Swinney with an act of defiance, We will welcome more, we will pay for their families not to work. All while the NHS is broken, Education held to ransom by parent nutters, Policing can only police the internet, Prisons at full capacity, so let then go free...WTF. Roads not repaired since 2010 beast from the east. Ferries cant get locals to our island but we accept illegals who come in boats....the irony. There is no infrastructure. But we will house you so long as you are from South Sudan, but Not South Sheilds. READ the room John. Flynn might have a fresh approach, and that starts with doing the day job and convincing the undecided to follow you, not placate to some face painted Violet Elizabeth who wants it now and at any cost. Swinny would bring Quorn sausages to a BBQ, to a garden party full of gamekeepers The bit in bold he has no plan...full stop
JamboGlen Posted October 13 Posted October 13 On 12/10/2025 at 10:49, Libertarian said: Why claim a defacto referendum using an election won’t work, when using an election was cited as a legitimate option in the UK Supreme Court judgement? Professor McCorquodale was clear, the right to self determination is for the Scottish people to decide, not the predecessor state. Well done to the SNP rebels for their impassioned contributions, but Swinney’s plan won’t deliver for Scotland. John and his mates don't want indy. It's a carrot they dangel to keep their followers voting for them.
Libertarian Posted October 13 Posted October 13 25 minutes ago, JamboGlen said: John and his mates don't want indy. It's a carrot they dangel to keep their followers voting for them. Couldn't agree more. Swinney and the SNP leadership are more interested in their healthy salaries and gold plated pensions than achieving independence. I'm amazed at the SNP rank and file membership (or what's left of the membership) putting up with this. Sadly though the SNP are likely to be the largest party at Holyrood after next year's election as the others are just so bloody hopeless.
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Swinney I am hearing is going to blame Thatcher for the state of the economy. She has not been in power for 35 years,and has been dead for 12. He would be better of blaming Longshanks its been that long a passage of time. Somebody talking now about not being British, blood hell another AS not integrating
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) His answer is grandstanding with grievance politics so far, Its all WM's fault...jeezus, Illegal Immigrants = good ECHR= good thing WM predudice= bad thing WM = bad WM not working for Scotland....really high unemployment of those who WONT work He wants to get rid of Nuclear weapons, Putin will be happy Edited October 13 by Hagar the Horrible
JackLadd Posted October 13 Posted October 13 17 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said: His answer is grandstanding with grievance politics so far, Its all WM's fault...jeezus, Illegal Immigrants = good ECHR= good thing WM predudice= bad thing WM = bad WM not working for Scotland....really high unemployment of those who WONT work He wants to get rid of Nuclear weapons, Putin will be happy Swinney is an out of touch buffoon playing the old hits to his sheep base. The Barnet bribes paid for by WM since 07 but zero gratitude
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Swinney is an out of touch buffoon playing the old hits to his sheep base. The Barnet bribes paid for by WM since 07 but zero gratitude Edited October 13 by Konrad von Carstein
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 13 Posted October 13 27 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said: His answer is grandstanding with grievance politics so far, Its all WM's fault...jeezus, Illegal Immigrants = good ECHR= good thing WM predudice= bad thing WM = bad WM not working for Scotland....really high unemployment of those who WONT work He wants to get rid of Nuclear weapons, Putin will be happy ECHR is a good thing though? What bits cause you the most consternation? I mean it's probably due a review but still...
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 13 Posted October 13 49 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: ECHR is a good thing though? What bits cause you the most consternation? I mean it's probably due a review but still... It has never ever done anything to address the right of the victim, it only helps the guilty
manaliveits105 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Swinney - "I'm just getting started" 😂😂only taken him 23 years sit down shut up .
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, Hagar the Horrible said: It has never ever done anything to address the right of the victim, it only helps the guilty Are we talking about the same thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights
Thunder and Lightning Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Remember that time the leader of the SNP gave a rousing fact based speech and really got things moving? Na me neither.
Spellczech Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Walk-in GP services? Those will be some long queues... Not going to happen even if he puts the surgeries in the golf course clubhouses...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 13 Posted October 13 41 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Swinney - "I'm just getting started" 😂😂only taken him 23 years sit down shut up . He’s so insipid . A Wally . Wimp . Has no gravitas . He’s not going to lead Scotland to independence .
lost in space Posted October 13 Posted October 13 49 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Walk-in GP services? Those will be some long queues... Not going to happen even if he puts the surgeries in the golf course clubhouses... Going to happen "within the year"!!! Election in May and not to be in place til next October. How stupid does Swinney think the electorate are? Does ANYBODY think this will actually happen? Seriously!
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, lost in space said: Going to happen "within the year"!!! Election in May and not to be in place til next October. How stupid does Swinney think the electorate are? Does ANYBODY think this will actually happen? Seriously! Come on, the premise is sound and it or something similar should have been in place before now (or next October ). I accept that you will have your reservations regarding implementation though... Edited October 13 by Konrad von Carstein
Libertarian Posted October 13 Posted October 13 There's now a 20% differential between support for the SNP (around 30%) and support for independence (around 50% plus). This suggests that there is space for a real independence party to emerge (possibly Alba or another) to replace the SNP which increasingly begins to look like a barrier to independence.
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 13 Posted October 13 20 minutes ago, Libertarian said: There's now a 20% differential between support for the SNP (around 30%) and support for independence (around 50% plus). This suggests that there is space for a real independence party to emerge (possibly Alba or another) to replace the SNP which increasingly begins to look like a barrier to independence. Why don't you start a Liberation party, stand for every thing the SNP doesn't apart from indy, I will be your number 2, the housewives eye candy
lost in space Posted October 13 Posted October 13 37 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Come on, the premise is sound and it or something similar should have been in place before now (or next October ). I accept that you will have your reservations regarding implementation though... I suppose I am a bit of a sceptic. Maybe I should just be more trusting!! If it is going to be in place within the year, we can be sure, that "Honest John" will have the planning, premises, structure, computer equipment, security, personnel (including doctors, nurses, receptionists, specialist cleaners) - and of course the FINANCE, in place by May. What could possibly go wrong?????
Libertarian Posted October 13 Posted October 13 36 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said: Why don't you start a Liberation party, stand for every thing the SNP doesn't apart from indy, I will be your number 2, the housewives eye candy Good idea, however I believe there is already a Scottish Libertarian Party who I believe support Indy.
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, lost in space said: I suppose I am a bit of a sceptic. Maybe I should just be more trusting!! If it is going to be in place within the year, we can be sure, that "Honest John" will have the planning, premises, structure, computer equipment, security, personnel (including doctors, nurses, receptionists, specialist cleaners) - and of course the FINANCE, in place by May. What could possibly go wrong????? A bit of a sceptic?
manaliveits105 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 21 hours ago, lost in space said: I suppose I am a bit of a sceptic. Maybe I should just be more trusting!! If it is going to be in place within the year, we can be sure, that "Honest John" will have the planning, premises, structure, computer equipment, security, personnel (including doctors, nurses, receptionists, specialist cleaners) - and of course the FINANCE, in place by May. What could possibly go wrong????? So it was a back of a fag packet idea for conference purposes and the Royal College of GPs and BMA know nothing about it as they have not been consulted yet . No point in running it past the experts after all.
jamboj Posted October 14 Posted October 14 22 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Come on, the premise is sound and it or something similar should have been in place before now (or next October ). I accept that you will have your reservations regarding implementation though... Why do you think the premise is sound? I think this is insane. General practice is already bawdeep in a workforce crisis, and the nhs is borderline bankrupt. In addition to that, non medical nhs staff are about to reduce their working hours so your supporting staff have even less time. In another world, you MIGHT be able to do this in the cities, but how on earth can you do it in towns, villages or islands? What GP wants to work till after 8pm? And how much are you going to have to pay them to do it? The Scottish government has made an absolute balls up of the current GP contract and is close to being at war with GP representatives. Nhs scotland cant even get a GP IT system sorted. Tell you what might work. Get politicians a thousand miles away from health care and let people who actually know what they're doing to run it instead.
Gundermann Posted October 16 Posted October 16 Greens level with Labour down south. YouGov had them at 13% too. Membership up in Scotland. Maybe Corbyn should ally with Polanski? Sad for some.
lost in space Posted October 16 Posted October 16 41 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Greens level with Labour down south. YouGov had them at 13% too. Membership up in Scotland. Maybe Corbyn should ally with Polanski? Sad for some. Would rather have Roman than Zack, any day.
John Findlay Posted October 16 Posted October 16 5 minutes ago, lost in space said: Would rather have Roman than Zack, any day. He's a bad un
Hagar the Horrible Posted October 16 Posted October 16 6 minutes ago, John Findlay said: He's a bad un charles manson thought so too
John Findlay Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Hagar the Horrible said: charles manson thought so too Bad uns, know bad uns.
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 16 Posted October 16 21 minutes ago, lost in space said: Would rather have Roman than Zack, any day. The "alleged" peadophile? Interesting 🤔
lost in space Posted October 16 Posted October 16 5 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: The "alleged" peadophile? Interesting 🤔 Which one are you alleging?
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) 17 minutes ago, lost in space said: Which one are you alleging? I'm alleging nothing, just surprised at your Polanski preferences... I'd go Green if I was in England as I like the cut of Zack's jib. Edited October 16 by Konrad von Carstein
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: ... Edited October 16 by Konrad von Carstein Made a shop front of that...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 16 Posted October 16 25 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: like the cut of Zack's jib. He’s a lunatic 😜🤣🤣🤣🤣
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 16 Posted October 16 5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: He’s a lunatic 😜🤣🤣🤣🤣 Disagree. He's moving into the space Labour should be in. Scottish Greens however
John Findlay Posted October 16 Posted October 16 54 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: I'm alleging nothing, just surprised at your Polanski preferences... I'd go Green if I was in England as I like the cut of Zack's jib. No Heart of Midlothian supporter ever goes Green.
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 hour ago, John Findlay said: No Heart of Midlothian supporter ever goes Green. Oh no, where do I hand in my season ticket
OTT Posted October 16 Posted October 16 5 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: He’s a lunatic 😜🤣🤣🤣🤣 4 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Disagree. He's moving into the space Labour should be in. Scottish Greens however I was going to basically echo what Konrad has said there -but my only real gripe with him is that he's one of many greens whose entrenched in trans-ideology, and I believe that this position is intellectually dishonest and problematic because of that adherence to putting feelings ahead of reality. His position on drugs is nuanced, and I think although he took a battering from the press on it, part of that comes from him lacking the political experience and team around him to water down certain talking points, so as to appeal to more moderate voters. But, I think that is refreshing. I also like that he's actually a democrat in respecting the Scottish & Welsh right to choose. The right to hold a referendum should be permanently devolved, with specific criteria that must be met to trigger a referendum - akin to the GFA. We're almost certainly going to get Farage as PM next election. Labour have destroyed their credibility, the Tory vote has been broken and has spilled out into Reform, and Jeremy Corbyn/Zarah Sultana's party has not had a name for what feels like 6 months - if they can't even decide on a name, how the hell are they going to decide on anything? Sultana has already basically went down that Ross Greer/Maggie Chapmanesq authoritarian left of "if you don't agree with me on everything, you're not welcome", and almost in one foul swoop, taken those who Starmer has made politically homeless, and left them there.... Corbyn must be pulling whats left of his hair out... The next decade within the UK is looking brutal. A lameduck PM everyone hates, and a right wing populist that is running solely on vilifying migrants.
OTT Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) Something I don't get about Unionists is that they do realise that a 2nd referendum defeat would be utterly devastating to the Independence movement right? They're frustrated about hearing the SNP sabre rattling constantly about Independence, they've not been swayed by the arguments for self determination and are confident in the strength of the Union, right? Well, lets put the matter to bed, and have a 2nd referendum. The flame that has fuelled the demand for a 2nd referendum is Brexit. Its an inescapable fact, that the cornerstone of Better Togethers campaign was that the only way we could stay in the EU was to vote No. That is a material change in circumstances, and this has fuelled the Independence braziers for nearly 10 years. Democracy isn't a bairns football that can be picked up and taken home because you're in a huff (or because you're shit scared you're going to lose ya big Jessies). If we have another referendum, and No wins again, then the flame to fuel the Independence fires is extinguished. I've consistently argued that Brexit was a material change in circumstances, but if Scots voted No for a second time, with the full impact of Brexit known, then fair enough. Its probably dead for my lifetime - and I'm 30. How does the Yes Movement build back from that? From the ground up, and that is an exercise which will take decades to overcome. There are certain points I actually agree with Unionists on, constantly talking about constitutional issues is a distraction, but its not one that is going away. When 50% of the country supports departing from the status quo, it becomes a conversation you need to have. Unionist politicians have had 11 years and counting to dissuade Scots away from Independence and utterly, utterly failed. If you truly want to get past this logjam, a referendum is the only way to do so, because a second defeat will conclusively end the debate for at least the next 25 years, probably longer. Edited October 16 by OTT
Jacques de Gauthier Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) 23 minutes ago, OTT said: Something I don't get about Unionists is that they do realise that a 2nd referendum defeat would be utterly devastating to the Independence movement right? They're frustrated about hearing the SNP sabre rattling constantly about Independence, they've not been swayed by the arguments for self determination and are confident in the strength of the Union, right? Well, lets put the matter to bed, and have a 2nd referendum. The flame that has fuelled the demand for a 2nd referendum is Brexit. Its an inescapable fact, that the cornerstone of Better Togethers campaign was that the only way we could stay in the EU was to vote No. That is a material change in circumstances, and this has fuelled the Independence braziers for nearly 10 years. Democracy isn't a bairns football that can be picked up and taken home because you're in a huff (or because you're shit scared you're going to lose ya big Jessies). If we have another referendum, and No wins again, then the flame to fuel the Independence fires is extinguished. I've consistently argued that Brexit was a material change in circumstances, but if Scots voted No for a second time, with the full impact of Brexit known, then fair enough. Its probably dead for my lifetime - and I'm 30. How does the Yes Movement build back from that? From the ground up, and that is an exercise which will take decades to overcome. There are certain points I actually agree with Unionists on, constantly talking about constitutional issues is a distraction, but its not one that is going away. When 50% of the country supports departing from the status quo, it becomes a conversation you need to have. Unionist politicians have had 11 years and counting to dissuade Scots away from Independence and utterly, utterly failed. If you truly want to get past this logjam, a referendum is the only way to do so, because a second defeat will conclusively end the debate for at least the next 25 years, probably longer. I can follow your line of reasoning, but I don’t think that would happen. People don’t seem to move on from political issues these days. Unless the divide was 70/30 or something like that, it would be hard to say anything definitive had been declared by the people. Edited October 16 by Jacques de Gauthier
lost in space Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 hour ago, OTT said: I was going to basically echo what Konrad has said there -but my only real gripe with him is that he's one of many greens whose entrenched in trans-ideology, and I believe that this position is intellectually dishonest and problematic because of that adherence to putting feelings ahead of reality. His position on drugs is nuanced, and I think although he took a battering from the press on it, part of that comes from him lacking the political experience and team around him to water down certain talking points, so as to appeal to more moderate voters. But, I think that is refreshing. I also like that he's actually a democrat in respecting the Scottish & Welsh right to choose. The right to hold a referendum should be permanently devolved, with specific criteria that must be met to trigger a referendum - akin to the GFA. We're almost certainly going to get Farage as PM next election. Labour have destroyed their credibility, the Tory vote has been broken and has spilled out into Reform, and Jeremy Corbyn/Zarah Sultana's party has not had a name for what feels like 6 months - if they can't even decide on a name, how the hell are they going to decide on anything? Sultana has already basically went down that Ross Greer/Maggie Chapmanesq authoritarian left of "if you don't agree with me on everything, you're not welcome", and almost in one foul swoop, taken those who Starmer has made politically homeless, and left them there.... Corbyn must be pulling whats left of his hair out... The next decade within the UK is looking brutal. A lameduck PM everyone hates, and a right wing populist that is running solely on vilifying migrants. Some good points mixed in with rather ridiculous statements. Polanski - inexperienced? - he is not 18. We are not "almost certainly" going to get Farage as PM. It could happen though. Everyone does not hate Starmer. As for "The right to hold an Indy referendum should be permanently devolved" - crazy idea. No large business would want to invest heavily in Scotland with such uncertainty.
OTT Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 minute ago, lost in space said: Some good points mixed in with rather ridiculous statements. Polanski - inexperienced? - he is not 18. We are not "almost certainly" going to get Farage as PM. It could happen though. Everyone does not hate Starmer. As for "The right to hold an Indy referendum should be permanently devolved" - crazy idea. No large business would want to invest heavily in Scotland with such uncertainty. I don't mean inexperienced in terms of age, I mean inexperienced in terms of experience. Doing the media rounds, I get the sense that this much media attention is new to him, and he's still feeling it out a bit. With that comes a certain level of rawness which more established(?) polished(?) politicians are less fazed by, and less likely to fall into making more extreme comments. A lack of media training perhaps. We absolutely are. Starmer is killing Labour because he's demonstrating there is no left wing hope in the UK and that will cause Labours core vote to stay home. Farage is appealing to rural and urban voters and successfully pinning the problems of the day on migrants instead of successive right wing governments failing to address core needs and the Brexit he pushed for, and has also benefited from the conservative vote collapsing into his. Farage is more likely than not to be the next PM - Who is going to defeat him? Starmer who has proven utterly untrustworthy and without principle? The youth aren't voting for him, thats why the greens are equalling their vote... Okay, his Mum & Dad maybe only just dislike him Lord Ali in fairness apparently really likes him though - so you're maybe not wrong after all!! Why? Can we not be trusted? Are we not "genetically programmed to make political decisions" ? The right to leave this union at a time of our own choosing should be enshrined in law. The fact it isn't, is deeply problematic to the concept of this being a voluntary union, and a partnership of equals.
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 17 Posted October 17 10 hours ago, OTT said: I was going to basically echo what Konrad has said there -but my only real gripe with him is that he's one of many greens whose entrenched in trans-ideology, and I believe that this position is intellectually dishonest and problematic because of that adherence to putting feelings ahead of reality. His position on drugs is nuanced, and I think although he took a battering from the press on it, part of that comes from him lacking the political experience and team around him to water down certain talking points, so as to appeal to more moderate voters. But, I think that is refreshing. I also like that he's actually a democrat in respecting the Scottish & Welsh right to choose. The right to hold a referendum should be permanently devolved, with specific criteria that must be met to trigger a referendum - akin to the GFA. We're almost certainly going to get Farage as PM next election. Labour have destroyed their credibility, the Tory vote has been broken and has spilled out into Reform, and Jeremy Corbyn/Zarah Sultana's party has not had a name for what feels like 6 months - if they can't even decide on a name, how the hell are they going to decide on anything? Sultana has already basically went down that Ross Greer/Maggie Chapmanesq authoritarian left of "if you don't agree with me on everything, you're not welcome", and almost in one foul swoop, taken those who Starmer has made politically homeless, and left them there.... Corbyn must be pulling whats left of his hair out... The next decade within the UK is looking brutal. A lameduck PM everyone hates, and a right wing populist that is running solely on vilifying migrants. Excellently set out post...and agree with a lot of your points. These days the 80/20 rule applies to many political parties... Polanski says a lot that I agree or at least can see where he comes from (80%) and then there is the trans issue for instance, I'm in the "as long as no one is being hurt, bash on" camp this is a vanishingly small percentage of people Farage one policy is all they have, they are showing themselves as utterly incompetent in councils which will be replicated in government I'd hope they will blow up in the run in to the GE with the added scrutiny they'll receive. Labour could be performing so much better but I believe, not that I will vote for them, that they want to improve people's lives. Tories SNP single issue in a UK GE and that's where my vote will go. They need a kick in the chuckies though at the HR election to keep them honest while working to improve our lives in Scotland with the existing devolved.powers. Holes will be picked in the above but I'm working and need to get on so haven't spent too much time on formulating a response, it's a brain dump.
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