graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This guy? Naw, this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Naw, this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missed98 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Have to say, I have been impressed by Jim Murphy. He's speaking so well. Have to agree with that, Murphy has been excellent so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Fear wins the day. Pensioner power also! Electorate has spoken though, quite clearly. Are the fears reasonable or not? Quite a few companies with no partisan opinion have stated that they think Yes would be harmful. And pensioners are as much a part of Scotland as anybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Look - if the independence grass roots movement wants to get any kind of traction next time it needs to sort out what it is going to do about currency, pensions, immigration etc BEFORE the vote People need to be given the opportunity to make an informed choice rather than be treated like extras from Braveheart. I'm sure some of those minor details will be apparent to them before their next attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Ah, the Braveheart stuff. Excellent. Most of the areas you refer to above would have been thrashed out in post-referendum negotiations. Compared to the level of scrutiny all of the Yes campaign's policies were subjected to, the No campaign's increased powers package appears to have been swallowed hook, line and sinker despite having no substance or detail whatsoever. Sorry, you cannot sell fresh air to people. We all need some substantive information on the constitutional, societal and economic changes that we are being asked to accept. Both sides are guilty of being vague but BT at least has the solid foundation of the status quo to fall back upon. The Yes proposals have one page in the entire White Paper that discusses solid fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Have to agree with that, Murphy has been excellent so far. he has remained buoyant without appearing smug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 What do you think Brown, Miliband, Cameron and the Labour love train have been doing? There is not one word - not a single word - of the increased powers package in writing anywhere. This is playing from the head? A pictures worth a thousand words. Taped video maybe even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If it's a no vote we are creating a whole new kind of history. Scotland at the forefront of changing and evolving the Union. Amazing. Can't bear these yes voters on Tuesday claiming Scotland has let itself down. I, and the majority of No voters, did so with confidence and pride. Inverclyde could shift the overall majority to Yes for a short while I suspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Inverclyde is going to be an important declaration.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Are the fears reasonable or not? Quite a few companies with no partisan opinion have stated that they think Yes would be harmful. And pensioners are as much a part of Scotland as anybody else. We will never know! I don't think I suggested they weren't. I was simply stating that this particular group of people predominantly vote no, according to polls. It seems , I think, that older people have swung the balance. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Inverclyde- No Yes 27,243 (49.9%), No: 27,329 (50.1%) Edited September 19, 2014 by Arnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) 27243 v 27349 for No in Inverclyde. 49.9% v 50.1% Edited September 19, 2014 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) . Edited September 19, 2014 by neilnunb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Jeez - that's close. Game over for Yes already I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 oops sorry, misheard the number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Ooft. Inverclyde could not have been closer. Tiny no majority. Incredible. Might need to wear the Union Jack cuff links to work tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) first win for Yes...very slight though You sure? Edit: saw your follow up post. Edited September 19, 2014 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 first win for Yes...very slight though No won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Inverclyde is going to be an important declaration.... Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Evening News ?@edinburghpaper 38s Alex Salmond has left Aberdeen in a private jet bound for Edinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Ooft. Inverclyde could not have been closer. Tiny no majority. Incredible. Might need to wear the Union Jack cuff links to work tomorrow. Wore mine today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes thinks they have won Weegieville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes, sorry guys, my bad...maybe I need bed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Evening News ?@edinburghpaper 38s Alex Salmond has left Aberdeen in a private jet bound for Edinburgh Concession speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes thinks they have won Weegieville. They need to absolutely horse it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Maybe there actually is a fire every 30 minutes in Dundee it's just there aren't usually TV cameras around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 0-5 The no's are rampant. This is a rout.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Evening News ?@edinburghpaper 38s Alex Salmond has left Aberdeen in a private jet bound for Edinburgh surprised it isn't bound for timbuktu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Wow I'm a prophet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sorry, you cannot sell fresh air to people. We all need some substantive information on the constitutional, societal and economic changes that we are being asked to accept. If there are a large number of voters who have gone for no on the basis of the "timetable", it looks as if the Scottish people have just bought fresh air in a big way, so I can't agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Dundee next - Yes need this to be huge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missed98 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Jeez - that's close. Game over for Yes already I think. it's starting to look that way, i hope the vote is close though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Rumour of yes win in Dundee, 52,000-41,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If there are a large number of voters who have gone for no on the basis of the "timetable", it looks as if the Scottish people have just bought fresh air in a big way, so I can't agree with this. Have they though? No real shift in polls after the vow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 0-5 The no's are rampant. This is a rout.... Quit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Inverclyde means that the overall picture looks like being a result of 45-55 for No, close enough to what the YouGov poll predicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 We will never know! I don't think I suggested they weren't. I was simply stating that this particular group of people predominantly vote no, according to polls. It seems , I think, that older people have swung the balance. Just my opinion though. Someone always does. Had it been the younger crowd would it have been worthy of comment? And lowering the eligible age to sixteen ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 he has remained buoyant without appearing smug. Has appeared confident and level headed.. as has Ricky Ross for a non politician but Yes campaigner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If there are a large number of voters who have gone for no on the basis of the "timetable", it looks as if the Scottish people have just bought fresh air in a big way, so I can't agree with this. Sorry, I disagree. Yes we're not offering the status quo, it was an offer of change without any substance behind it. On the other hand, have been offering a safer route via more gradual change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 You just need to look at the "safe bet" Yes councils pre-counting, areas like the Western Isles and Inverclyde - they are trending to No, and this will only be amplified as the bigger councils declare. Salmond and the Yes campaign look to have underestimated the power of people's job security, pensions and currency quite massively - and should have concentrated on answers for those huge concerns instead of soapboxing the scaremongerer speeches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Have they though? No real shift in polls after the vow. It depends when you date the "vow" from. There has certainly been a shift in the mood of the campaign since the timetable was promised. Of course, there may well be many other factors involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quit it. Dundee next though..... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Falkirk coming up on the rails..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Dundee next though..... ;-) First mention of 5-1 perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Falkirk coming up on the rails..... Make your mind up - football or horseracing which is it .... FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 West Dunbartonshire looks to have gone Yes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Falkirk coming up on the rails..... Or Renfrewshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 7k majority for No in Renfrewshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 no take renfrewshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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