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Nice to be back on topic after attempts at dragging it off. 👍

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Smithee
27 minutes ago, Marooon! said:

 

The old company wasn't liquidated when Green set up the new holding company.

 

Doncaster was quoted "it is an existing club, even though it's a new company." 

 

Naismith was recently quoted retracting his old comments by saying he was "poorly advised over the situation at Rangers" 

 

There was complaints made to the Advertising Standards Authority when Rangers said they are Scotland's most successful club. The ASA reviewed all the evidence and concluded there was nothing wrong with Rangers claim because it's true. 

 

UEFA say their statutes allow for a club to have sporting continuity even under different corporate ownership. 

 

FIFA have said they are the same club. 

 

They have the same member number as before.  

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/the-rangers-football-club-ltd-a13-224406.html

 

There's simply too much to ignore. 

 

Yet the hun were utterly desperate to avoid liquidation.

 

They're not rangers any more. They let their club die. 

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Forever Hearts
1 hour ago, XB52 said:

Well it obviously annoys you and the other loyalist posters so this thread will run and run 

Swap annoy for baffle and you'd be right. 

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31 minutes ago, Marooon! said:

 

The old company wasn't liquidated when Green set up the new holding company.

 

Doncaster was quoted "it is an existing club, even though it's a new company." 

 

Naismith was recently quoted retracting his old comments by saying he was "poorly advised over the situation at Rangers" 

 

There was complaints made to the Advertising Standards Authority when Rangers said they are Scotland's most successful club. The ASA reviewed all the evidence and concluded there was nothing wrong with Rangers claim because it's true. 

 

UEFA say their statutes allow for a club to have sporting continuity even under different corporate ownership. 

 

FIFA have said they are the same club. 

 

They have the same member number as before.  

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/the-rangers-football-club-ltd-a13-224406.html

 

There's simply too much to ignore. 

 

I said when he bought the assets. Not when he set it up. 

 

Rangers died because their fans are utter twats and didn't save their club.

 

We saved our club because we have the best fans in the world.

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1 hour ago, Dallas Green said:

 

 

The company that owned the Rangers Club went into liquidation while still owning it, then the assets got sold to Green. The company that owned Leeds club went into liquidation after the club was sold to Ken Bates.

No company owned Rangers Football Club. The original Rangers FC incorporated in the 1890s becoming a limited company. The argument begins and ends there.

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31 minutes ago, Marooon! said:

 

The old company wasn't liquidated when Green set up the new holding company.

 

Doncaster was quoted "it is an existing club, even though it's a new company." 

 

Naismith was recently quoted retracting his old comments by saying he was "poorly advised over the situation at Rangers" 

 

There was complaints made to the Advertising Standards Authority when Rangers said they are Scotland's most successful club. The ASA reviewed all the evidence and concluded there was nothing wrong with Rangers claim because it's true. 

 

UEFA say their statutes allow for a club to have sporting continuity even under different corporate ownership. 

 

FIFA have said they are the same club. 

 

They have the same member number as before.  

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/the-rangers-football-club-ltd-a13-224406.html

 

There's simply too much to ignore. 

Your first point is irrelevant and does note refute the fact that Rangers were in liquidation already when Green's company bought some assets. It makes no difference at all when that company was created.

 

You then quote Doncaster as if that means he is correct. Really?

 

You then quote Naismith as if that means he is now correct having been wrong before. Someone who has to live in Scotland and would rather not have his windows broken.

 

Rangers probably wee Scotland's most successful team. That's not the argument here. The argument is that Sevco should have no right to claim Rangers' honours.

 

UEFA used mealy mouthed language because they had no intention of getting involved, while FIFA is of course the ultimate example of all that is true in the world 🤬

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Smithee
3 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

No company owned Rangers Football Club. The original Rangers FC incorporated in the 1890s becoming a limited company. The argument begins and ends there.

 

Correct. Rangers was the company and that company went into liquidation.

 

 

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XB52
1 hour ago, rick witter said:

No need whatsoever for a 2000 plus page thread about Rangers on a Hearts forum. That is a fact. 

Rangers died yawn. Not the same club yawn. No trophies yawn!!!! 

Who cares. 

Well give us a break and go and infest another thread with your hobo crap

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XB52
1 hour ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

Thank you, you saved me wracking my brain to come up with something similar.

Much more elequent than any of my replies to that hun lover 

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1 hour ago, rick witter said:

No need whatsoever for a 2000 plus page thread about Rangers on a Hearts forum. That is a fact. 

Rangers died yawn. Not the same club yawn. No trophies yawn!!!! 

Who cares. 

Here's another fact. If you care to check out any Scottish football related forum, whether that be focused on an individual club such as Hearts/Jambos Kickback, or multi-club focused such as Pie and Bovril, you'll invariably find that the longest threads are those based on events at Ibrox since 2012. Just as on here, you may have to go back a few pages to find the thread if nothing new has happened recently, but a dysfunctional club headed by the world's most litigious man tends to create newsworthiness on a fairly regular basis. My point being that JKB is far from unique in its extensive coverage of Rangers woes. Personally I think it's only fair that we should continue to discuss a club that died the death of liquidation following a decade of industrial-scale cheating which remains unpunished to this day because apparently 'there's no appetite for raking over old coals'. 

 

The reason all Hearts fans should care about the Rangers saga can be explained simply. Rangers were treated differently to any other club, including Hearts, purely based on financial expediency and TV contracts. All clubs are meant to be treated equally, regardless of size of support. Otherwise, for example, the football authorities might as well write a 'no relegation clause' for Rangers and probably Celtic too. Even now, thanks to the terms of the five-way agreement, the new club isn't subject to the same disciplinary process as the other 41 senior clubs, which is why they recently requested a case be referred to CAS instead of being dealt with by the SFA, as with every other club.

 

Talking of the five-way agreement, we all remember the front page headlines back in 2012 carried by every single newspaper in the land declaring 'RIP RFC', before a complete u-turn was performed by the press corps, whose language began to change instead to talk of a new company taking over the same club. Despite now reporting that only a meaningless expendable company had died the death of liquidation in Rangers case, when Hearts went into administration, those same reporters told the world that we were somehow close to losing our club, not just a meaningless company, even though our incorporated club was constituted identically to Rangers!

 

Finally, I can't let 'Maroon', our new friend from Govan,  get away with another piece of history rewriting and airbrushing inconvenient facts out of the picture when he earlier declared that Rangers, the club, had simply been taken over by a new company back in 2012. The entity which entered administration, then liquidation back in 2012 has a unique company number. That number is the same as the one which was allocated to Rangers Football Club back in 1899 when what had been a football club became a company through incorporation, creating one solitary legal entity. That entity is currently being dissolved by BDO.

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Posted (edited)

Edit - I meant to add that 'Rangers' is merely a trading name that the football authorities have sanctioned the continuing use of in order to filch every last blue pound out of the pockets of the world's most successfully deluded support. There is a world of difference between Charles Green's new club being treated as if it was the old, defunct club by the football authorities and it actually being that old club. As others have pointed out, the amount of corruption involving senior officials of FIFA and UEFA in recent years illustrates why we should never treat them as principled paragons of virtue, when in reality, money dictates virtually everything.

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25 minutes ago, newbie said:

Here's another fact. If you care to check out any Scottish football related forum, whether that be focused on an individual club such as Hearts/Jambos Kickback, or multi-club focused such as Pie and Bovril, you'll invariably find that the longest threads are those based on events at Ibrox since 2012. Just as on here, you may have to go back a few pages to find the thread if nothing new has happened recently, but a dysfunctional club headed by the world's most litigious man tends to create newsworthiness on a fairly regular basis. My point being that JKB is far from unique in its extensive coverage of Rangers woes. Personally I think it's only fair that we should continue to discuss a club that died the death of liquidation following a decade of industrial-scale cheating which remains unpunished to this day because apparently 'there's no appetite for raking over old coals'. 

 

The reason all Hearts fans should care about the Rangers saga can be explained simply. Rangers were treated differently to any other club, including Hearts, purely based on financial expediency and TV contracts. All clubs are meant to be treated equally, regardless of size of support. Otherwise, for example, the football authorities might as well write a 'no relegation clause' for Rangers and probably Celtic too. Even now, thanks to the terms of the five-way agreement, the new club isn't subject to the same disciplinary process as the other 41 senior clubs, which is why they recently requested a case be referred to CAS instead of being dealt with by the SFA, as with every other club.

 

Talking of the five-way agreement, we all remember the front page headlines back in 2012 carried by every single newspaper in the land declaring 'RIP RFC', before a complete u-turn was performed by the press corps, whose language began to change instead to talk of a new company taking over the same club. Despite now reporting that only a meaningless expendable company had died the death of liquidation in Rangers case, when Hearts went into administration, those same reporters told the world that we were somehow close to losing our club, not just a meaningless company, even though our incorporated club was constituted identically to Rangers!

 

Finally, I can't let 'Maroon', our new friend from Govan,  get away with another piece of history rewriting and airbrushing inconvenient facts out of the picture when he earlier declared that Rangers, the club, had simply been taken over by a new company back in 2012. The entity which entered administration, then liquidation back in 2012 has a unique company number. That number is the same as the one which was allocated to Rangers Football Club back in 1899 when what had been a football club became a company through incorporation, creating one solitary legal entity. That entity is currently being dissolved by BDO.

It’s a Hearts forum. 

 

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newbie
2 minutes ago, rick witter said:

It’s a Hearts forum. 

 

The Terrace

For discussion of HMFC and football in general

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Walter Bishop
2 hours ago, rick witter said:

Exactly!! 

Lets worry about our own club and not what Rangers are doing FFS!!! 

Yet you both come on the rangers thread to make comment? :cornette:

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38 minutes ago, newbie said:

Here's another fact. If you care to check out any Scottish football related forum, whether that be focused on an individual club such as Hearts/Jambos Kickback, or multi-club focused such as Pie and Bovril, you'll invariably find that the longest threads are those based on events at Ibrox since 2012. Just as on here, you may have to go back a few pages to find the thread if nothing new has happened recently, but a dysfunctional club headed by the world's most litigious man tends to create newsworthiness on a fairly regular basis. My point being that JKB is far from unique in its extensive coverage of Rangers woes. Personally I think it's only fair that we should continue to discuss a club that died the death of liquidation following a decade of industrial-scale cheating which remains unpunished to this day because apparently 'there's no appetite for raking over old coals'. 

 

The reason all Hearts fans should care about the Rangers saga can be explained simply. Rangers were treated differently to any other club, including Hearts, purely based on financial expediency and TV contracts. All clubs are meant to be treated equally, regardless of size of support. Otherwise, for example, the football authorities might as well write a 'no relegation clause' for Rangers and probably Celtic too. Even now, thanks to the terms of the five-way agreement, the new club isn't subject to the same disciplinary process as the other 41 senior clubs, which is why they recently requested a case be referred to CAS instead of being dealt with by the SFA, as with every other club.

 

Talking of the five-way agreement, we all remember the front page headlines back in 2012 carried by every single newspaper in the land declaring 'RIP RFC', before a complete u-turn was performed by the press corps, whose language began to change instead to talk of a new company taking over the same club. Despite now reporting that only a meaningless expendable company had died the death of liquidation in Rangers case, when Hearts went into administration, those same reporters told the world that we were somehow close to losing our club, not just a meaningless company, even though our incorporated club was constituted identically to Rangers!

 

Finally, I can't let 'Maroon', our new friend from Govan,  get away with another piece of history rewriting and airbrushing inconvenient facts out of the picture when he earlier declared that Rangers, the club, had simply been taken over by a new company back in 2012. The entity which entered administration, then liquidation back in 2012 has a unique company number. That number is the same as the one which was allocated to Rangers Football Club back in 1899 when what had been a football club became a company through incorporation, creating one solitary legal entity. That entity is currently being dissolved by BDO.

Well put. 

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Justin Z

@newbie Brilliant posts.

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Icon of Symmetry
30 minutes ago, rick witter said:

It’s a Hearts forum. 

 

 

The Terrace is for chat about football in general. You’ve been told this over and over again. 

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Franksluckypants

Not quite the same level of pleasure we take from the 5.1, but 7 years on and the tears are obviously still salty for the previously deceased ugly sister lovers...love it!!! 

 

Tee hee!

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corryjambo
2 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

FIFA are corrupt as well.

SevCo have won nothing of note, a Petrodiddy cup and a few lower league titles.

They’ve won 0 major domestic honours, in fact, they have no honour.

They’ve learnt nothing from the deceased club either, still over spending and gambolling on Europa League success or hopeful they can hawk Morelos around till someone buys him.

Nobody’s been willing to make and half decent off though because he is a liability.

 

heres hoping the gambol fails and this new club goes to the wall just like its predecessor.

 

Am I the only one that found it funny that an Aberdeen supporter could make such a Freudian spelling mistake. 

 

He must like his sheep young.

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Marooon! said:

 

The old company wasn't liquidated when Green set up the new holding company.

No mention was made in the sales and purchase documentation about the sale of a football club, just some assets. You'd have thought it remiss of the vendor to omit something as substantial as a football club unless there was a legal impediment to that sale, such as its impending liquidation.

 

Doncaster was quoted "it is an existing club, even though it's a new company."

Doncaster is the head of a trade organisation whose only concern is money and contracts, not integrity and factual accuracy. 

 

Naismith was recently quoted retracting his old comments by saying he was "poorly advised over the situation at Rangers" 

 

There was complaints made to the Advertising Standards Authority when Rangers said they are Scotland's most successful club. The ASA reviewed all the evidence and concluded there was nothing wrong with Rangers claim because it's true. 

The ASA, along with the BBC, ECA etc were advised of this by the corrupt SFA, who not only turned a blind eye to Rangers cheating, but actively assisted in it.

 

UEFA say their statutes allow for a club to have sporting continuity even under different corporate ownership.

Indeed, but Rangers didn't just have a change of ownership - they became insolvent and died! 

 

FIFA have said they are the same club.

.......and said they aren't.

 

They have the same member number as before.  

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/the-rangers-football-club-ltd-a13-224406.html

See above.

 

There's simply too much to ignore.

Only if you have a specific agenda. Legally, the club currently playing out of Ibrox isn't the same as the one founded in 1872. Our football authorities are treating them as the same, which is an entirely different matter. 

 

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Joey J J Jr Shabadoo
14 hours ago, Lfhearts said:

Maybe should have included Canada they have a huge following there also. About 50/60 supporters clubs in both countries if that's not a huge following what is.

Have you ever seen hun tv at half time, the bit that's like Glen Michael's cavalcade where viewers write in? Almost all these clubs have 4 or 5 people in them. 

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Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, Franksluckypants said:

Not quite the same level of pleasure we take from the 5.1, but 7 years on and the tears are obviously still salty for the previously deceased ugly sister lovers...love it!!! 

 

Tee hee!

It is funny. Just the mention of them being dead shuts them up. You never get another peep out of them, until the next time they're pished and forget about 2012.

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kirkierobroy

The sad thing is that they are not falling over. I don't know where their money is coming from but the new club's demise is not happening as predicted by Phake Phil and the like.

 

The 2012 British Club and the 1888 Irish Club are conspiring to strangle any surviving interest in Scottish football. And the media are loving it.

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Posted (edited)
56 minutes ago, kirkierobroy said:

The sad thing is that they are not falling over. I don't know where their money is coming from but the new club's demise is not happening as predicted by Phake Phil and the like.

 

The 2012 British Club and the 1888 Irish Club are conspiring to strangle any surviving interest in Scottish football. And the media are loving it.

 

I would hope most people wrote that rambling lunatic off years ago. Have you seen the guy's internet page? Boy probably has tea parties with his stuffed teddy bears.

 

The thread has unfortunately dipped though, as tends to happen when they get cash in from somewhere and start doing better on the pitch. Who knows, maybe they have done enough now to start wiping their faces again financially. If they somehow manage to trade players for enough money, and keep qualifying for the Europa League groups, then it could be a long time again before their exorbitant over-spending catches up with them again.

 

Best fairytale outcome is Sevco liquidate themselves again due to overspending trying to catch Celtic, then Celtic get found guilty of match-fixing, and suffer a similar fate.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

I would hope most people wrote that rambling lunatic off years ago. Have you seen the guy's internet page? Boy probably has tea parties with his stuffed teddy bears.

 

The thread has unfortunately dipped though, as tends to happen when they get cash in from somewhere and start doing better on the pitch. Who knows, maybe they have done enough now to start wiping their faces again financially. If they somehow manage to trade players for enough money, and keep qualifying for the Europa League groups, then it could be a long time again before their exorbitant over-spending catches up with them again.

 

Best fairytale outcome is Sevco liquidate themselves again due to overspending trying to catch Celtic, then Celtic get found guilty of match-fixing, and suffer a similar fate.

 

 

 

Sounds like a twisted Rangers hating cross between Ed Gein and Norman Bates (yes i know Bates was inspired by Gein but still) 

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Jim Panzee
2 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

I would hope most people wrote that rambling lunatic off years ago. Have you seen the guy's internet page? Boy probably has tea parties with his stuffed teddy bears.

 

The thread has unfortunately dipped though, as tends to happen when they get cash in from somewhere and start doing better on the pitch. Who knows, maybe they have done enough now to start wiping their faces again financially. If they somehow manage to trade players for enough money, and keep qualifying for the Europa League groups, then it could be a long time again before their exorbitant over-spending catches up with them again.

 

Best fairytale outcome is Sevco liquidate themselves again due to overspending trying to catch Celtic, then Celtic get found guilty of match-fixing, and suffer a similar fate.

 

 

 suspect the demise is going to be a long term thing. newco clearly still have enough crazy folk willing to not just loan money but write if off to try stop the 10 in a row.

 

interesting to see what happens when they can't stop this. will such folk keep going to stop 11, 12, 13 etc in a row. then what? do they have younger generations stupid enough to keep throwing money away for no return.

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1 minute ago, Jim Panzee said:

 suspect the demise is going to be a long term thing. newco clearly still have enough crazy folk willing to not just loan money but write if off to try stop the 10 in a row.

 

interesting to see what happens when they can't stop this. will such folk keep going to stop 11, 12, 13 etc in a row. then what? do they have younger generations stupid enough to keep throwing money away for no return.

 

Yep, they've obviously shaken some rich monkeys out of the bigot tree recently. I also think ten in a row will be pivotal to the future.

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Walter Bishop

I wouldnt be surprised if it came out eventually Rangers were being funded/receiving donations from similar places to Sheffield United. :scenes: 

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20 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

I wouldnt be surprised if it came out eventually Rangers were being funded/receiving donations from similar places to Sheffield United. :scenes: 

 What's the deal with Sheffield?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Lovecraft said:

 What's the deal with Sheffield?

 

 

Its a shithole 

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Icon of Symmetry
51 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

 What's the deal with Sheffield?

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, sadj said:

Its a shithole 

 

:lol:

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1 hour ago, sadj said:

Its a shithole 

 Good cutlery though.

 

:-)

 

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busby1985

The Rangers claiming to be Rangers is very much like Top Gear without Clarkson, May and Hammond. Same studio, same, theme tune, same titles and the same script pretending nothing has changed. New viewers may not see the difference, the ignorant won’t notice a difference but the people that know, know. 

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highlandjambo3
12 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

The Rangers claiming to be Rangers is very much like Top Gear without Clarkson, May and Hammond. Same studio, same, theme tune, same titles and the same script pretending nothing has changed. New viewers may not see the difference, the ignorant won’t notice a difference but the people that know, know. 

It’s like Taggart stopped being Taggart the moment Taggart was not in it....... great drama years ago...cack now 

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jamboy1982
19 hours ago, rick witter said:

It’s a Hearts forum. 

 

For hearts fans 

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jaywalker
On 20 June 2019 at 22:44, JackLadd said:

 

Vlad was a heck of a ride while it lasted. 

I never knew him that well. Whatever floats your boat.

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IveSeenTheLight
2 hours ago, busby1985 said:

The Rangers claiming to be Rangers is very much like Top Gear without Clarkson, May and Hammond. Same studio, same, theme tune, same titles and the same script pretending nothing has changed. New viewers may not see the difference, the ignorant won’t notice a difference but the people that know, know. 

 

Eh, same titles? They’ve not won any major domestic honours.

other than that, fair play.

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2 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Eh, same titles? They’ve not won any major domestic honours.

other than that, fair play.

I was talking about Top Gear, the titles is what you call the start of the program and the end......

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IveSeenTheLight
10 hours ago, kirkierobroy said:

The sad thing is that they are not falling over. I don't know where their money is coming from but the new club's demise is not happening as predicted by Phake Phil and the like.

 

 

I think getting to the Europa League Group stages brought a much welcomed stay of execution.

They’ll be hoping they do the same this year, so it would be great if they got papped out as soon as possible

cash seems still to be short (mainly free signings) and are desperately hawking Morelos about to try and sell.

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1 minute ago, busby1985 said:

I was talking about Top Gear, the titles is what you call the start of the program and the end......

 

‘Yeah works for Top Gear, but doesn’t for SevCo.

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Phage

Lol was just reading about there pop up shop next to a pub. Selling shirts. 

 

Seems legit 🤫

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brunoatemyhamster
28 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

I think getting to the Europa League Group stages brought a much welcomed stay of execution.

They’ll be hoping they do the same this year, so it would be great if they got papped out as soon as possible

cash seems still to be short (mainly free signings) and are desperately hawking Morelos about to try and sell.

If only they had taken the 100%, totally genuine, not made up in any way bids from China. 

Aw well. 

21 minutes ago, Phage said:

Lol was just reading about there pop up shop next to a pub. Selling shirts. 

 

Seems legit 🤫

I've already contacted Big Mike. He's bound to be due something. 

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JackLadd

Hopefully they will have a tougher task than maribor and ufa this year to get to the group's and get papped out. 

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IveSeenTheLight
1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

Hopefully they will have a tougher task than maribor and ufa this year to get to the group's and get papped out. 

 

These are the expected seeded sides in QR4

 

CL-Q2nc @2                    37.000 - 54.500
Sparta Praha *3          Cze  35.500              
CL-Q2nc @2                    33.000 - 44.000     
Sporting Braga *3        Por  31.000              
Legia Warsaw *           Pol  24.500              
Eintracht Frankfurt **   Ger  24.000              
FCSB *                   Rom  23.000              
Feyenoord *3             Ned  22.000              
Espanyol **              Esp  20.713              
Malmö FF *               Swe  20.000              
Partizan Belgrade **     Srb  18.000              
Standard Liège *3        Bel  17.500              
Wolverhampton Wanderers**Eng  17.092 

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5 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

These are the expected seeded sides in QR4

 

CL-Q2nc @2                    37.000 - 54.500
Sparta Praha *3          Cze  35.500              
CL-Q2nc @2                    33.000 - 44.000     
Sporting Braga *3        Por  31.000              
Legia Warsaw *           Pol  24.500              
Eintracht Frankfurt **   Ger  24.000              
FCSB *                   Rom  23.000              
Feyenoord *3             Ned  22.000              
Espanyol **              Esp  20.713              
Malmö FF *               Swe  20.000              
Partizan Belgrade **     Srb  18.000              
Standard Liège *3        Bel  17.500              
Wolverhampton Wanderers**Eng  17.092 

Could be a tough tie for them. Hope they get Malmo'd

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7 minutes ago, Phage said:

Could be a tough tie for them. Hope they get Malmo'd

 

Malmo are probably the weakest side in that list. I hope they get Espanyol, Braga or Feyernoord. If they get Wolves we can expect trouble from the hordes down south. 

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7 hours ago, Forever Hearts said:

😂😂😂 Johnny Adair was going to be Chairman. 🙄

JA was UDA/UFF, hates the UVF, far too left wing for him

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