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DH1986
5 minutes ago, Doc Rob said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48933441

 

I appreciate this is just rumours, but if there is any substance to it at all, I’d like to know where the hell they are getting £4m to spend.

 

They must raise near £15m-£20m on season tickets sales.

 

Plus.....

 

I doubt they’d need to pay £4m right away.

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buzzbomb1958
1 hour ago, DH1986 said:

 

They must raise near £15m-£20m on season tickets sales.

 

Plus.....

 

I doubt they’d need to pay £4m right away.

This is not what they pay upfront wages will be included in the final price the transfer fee itself will probably be a lot less ,the new entity trying to big themselves up

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Deevers
1 hour ago, Newton51 said:

Must have a bid for Morelos in as they don’t spend that amount when have 3 other centre backs

No doubt if he does leave them the press acolytes will print some vastly over inflated figure for the consumption of the Orcs.

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mrcrisps

Suspect something like:

 

£10k weekly, 4 year deal = over £2 million

£100k upfront signing on fee

£800k signing fee to Bologna plus £400k next year plus £300k next again year plus £200k following year

 

And/or 'performance extra' for Bologna which could really skew things! £1 million if Rangers win Champs League etc lol could drop all the other figures above substantially.

 

Smoke and mirrors as always with that lot....

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Clerry Jambo

Rangers are a massive club we need to accept that, they are back unfortunately 

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busby1985
46 minutes ago, mrcrisps said:

Suspect something like:

 

£10k weekly, 4 year deal = over £2 million

£100k upfront signing on fee

£800k signing fee to Bologna plus £400k next year plus £300k next again year plus £200k following year

 

And/or 'performance extra' for Bologna which could really skew things! £1 million if Rangers win Champs League etc lol could drop all the other figures above substantially.

 

Smoke and mirrors as always with that lot....

10k a week would make him one of the lowest earners in the squad. Lafferty is on more than that a week. I don’t doubt the payment plan tho. Unfortunately Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs have allowed Rangers to waltz back into 2nd and allowed the old firm to regain power. Doubt we will ever see anyone split them two again unless another monetary collapse. 

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Gavsy Van Gaverson
3 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Rangers are a massive club we need to accept that, they are back unfortunately 

 

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buzzbomb1958
32 minutes ago, Gavsy Van Gaverson said:

 

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Not a massive club in world term they are a big fish in a tiny pond ,oh and they are a new club with no major honour to their new name

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Clerry Jambo
2 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said:

Not a massive club in world term they are a big fish in a tiny pond ,oh and they are a new club with no major honour to their new name

They are massive and world wide whether we like it or not

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jbee647
12 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

They are massive and world wide whether we like it or not

Historically I would agree

but in today’s global game they are a total irrelevance, whether they like it or not.

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Joey J J Jr Shabadoo
1 hour ago, Clerry Jambo said:

They are massive and world wide whether we like it or not

They're not that big. North America is where a lot of they're fans are based, yet there was no demand to show their cup final v hibs on TV. 

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JamboAndrew
57 minutes ago, jbee647 said:

Historically I would agree

but in today’s global game they are a total irrelevance, whether they like it or not.

Agree. And I think it's only really the Irish connection that's keeping Celtic from being one of those, heard of them and didn't they used to be big, type of teams.

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buzzbomb1958
4 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said:

They are massive and world wide whether we like it or not

Maybe fanbase wise yes but compared to other clubs worldwide they haven't got a pot to piss in

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JackLadd

I'd dispute they are 'back'. Trading as Rangers is not the same Rangers. 

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alwaysthereinspirit
5 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said:

They are massive and world wide whether we like it or not

Other than a few thousand Ex Pats with really bad tattoos who really knows them?

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Clerry Jambo
1 hour ago, buzzbomb1958 said:

Maybe fanbase wise yes but compared to other clubs worldwide they haven't got a pot to piss in

My point was based on fan base buzzbomb and agree re finance 

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gjcc

Enjoyed the fact the rangers #12 shirt has now been brought out of retirement.  (they retired it to thank the fans and their backing the new team after liquidation)

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Gizmo
10 hours ago, busby1985 said:

10k a week would make him one of the lowest earners in the squad. Lafferty is on more than that a week. I don’t doubt the payment plan tho. Unfortunately Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs have allowed Rangers to waltz back into 2nd and allowed the old firm to regain power. Doubt we will ever see anyone split them two again unless another monetary collapse. 


When you say allow, what exactly did you expect us to do to prevent that? We did our bit by leaving them stuck in the Championship another season, but ultimately they are not far away from 3 times our average attendance. 

 

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busby1985
12 minutes ago, Gizmo said:


When you say allow, what exactly did you expect us to do to prevent that? We did our bit by leaving them stuck in the Championship another season, but ultimately they are not far away from 3 times our average attendance. 

 

Allow was a stupid thing to say. I think you’d maybe agree that we have missed an opportunity to really hamper them. Cathro set us back, the rebuilds under Levein have also hindered us. 

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Gizmo
Just now, busby1985 said:

Allow was a stupid thing to say. I think you’d maybe agree that we have missed an opportunity to really hamper them. Cathro set us back, the rebuilds under Levein have also hindered us. 


In that respect I do agree. Building up a head of steam and momentum to make it tougher from them, that was arrested when Neilson left.

Aberdeen did the entire league a turn by turfing them out of both Cups, though, keeping the newco from a single major honour.


We need to step up our woeful record against them. It is a frustrating that plenty teams lost any fear of them but we haven't. 

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busby1985
Just now, Gizmo said:


In that respect I do agree. Building up a head of steam and momentum to make it tougher from them, that was arrested when Neilson left.

Aberdeen did the entire league a turn by turfing them out of both Cups, though, keeping the newco from a single major honour.


We need to step up our woeful record against them. It is a frustrating that plenty teams lost any fear of them but we haven't. 

Yeah our record against them is poor, if we beat everyone outside the old firm regularly then I could kinda forgive the collapses against them. I hope we see a big difference against them this season. 

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sac

They are bigoted scum of the lowest order. They died. A similar pile of scum took their place.

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buzzbomb1958
15 minutes ago, sac said:

They are bigoted scum of the lowest order. They died. A similar pile of scum took their place.

This

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Weakened Offender
13 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Rangers are a massive club we need to accept that, they are back unfortunately 

 

I'll accept they're a massive club when they get round to winning their first major trophy.

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Hectormasson
4 hours ago, Gizmo said:


In that respect I do agree. Building up a head of steam and momentum to make it tougher from them, that was arrested when Neilson left.

Aberdeen did the entire league a turn by turfing them out of both Cups, though, keeping the newco from a single major honour.


We need to step up our woeful record against them. It is a frustrating that plenty teams lost any fear of them but we haven't. 

Exactly,,,we must have the worst record in the league against them, everyone else seems to do them now and again.......

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Diadora Van Basten

I don’t think they are that big to be honest and can’t see them catching Celtic anytime soon. 

 

They have had a couple of wins over Celtic with the help of some Rangers minded refs but still got turned over by Aberdeen and Killie.

 

They are loss making, don’t have the Bank of Scotland and dodgy tax avoidance schemes to help them like Old Rangers and haven’t got any players that would command a decent fee for. 

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Hectormasson
1 hour ago, Diadora Van Basten said:

I don’t think they are that big to be honest and can’t see them catching Celtic anytime soon. 

 

They have had a couple of wins over Celtic with the help of some Rangers minded refs but still got turned over by Aberdeen and Killie.

 

They are loss making, don’t have the Bank of Scotland and dodgy tax avoidance schemes to help them like Old Rangers and haven’t got any players that would command a decent fee for. 

I only hope that hearts can do some damage on the field this season against them , as that's seven consecutive defeats to them, absolutely f.....g terrible record......

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Doc Rob

Yes, Sevco still have a big fan base and will sell 3-4 times as many STs as Hearts. However, they also have

much bigger overheads, pay much higher wages (their wage bill must dwarf ours), make big losses year-on-year and have to be bailed out with ‘soft loans’ and haven’t sold anyone for big money (yet). I don’t even remember them resolving the issues regarding their lack of a NomAd or credit facilities, though I may well have missed this and will be happy to be corrected.

 

I just don’t see where the money for

multi-million pound transfers is coming from.

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SuperstarSteve

We are a much bigger club than rangers. I’ll debate that with anyone. 

Saving your club is as big as it gets. 

Worldwide fanbase my arse. They are known worldwide but nobody actually supports them.

Hence when the biggest moment in the clubs history happened. Nobody done a goddamn thing except cry about injustice. 

But our lot? A so called minuscule none worldwide celebrity fanbase (albeit close to 200k watched parade of Scottish cup in 98 I believe) Dragged our club back from the brink of death. 

 

Since 2011 at not point will I ever consider rangers a bigger club untill they have more cups than us. 

And never will I consider them to have a bigger fanbase.

And by fanbase. I mean real fans. 

 

I absolutely despise that shithouse of a comedy club and everything they stand for. 

 

 

 

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Wilson
5 minutes ago, SuperstarSteve said:

We are a much bigger club than rangers. I’ll debate that with anyone. 

Saving your club is as big as it gets. 

Worldwide fanbase my arse. They are known worldwide but nobody actually supports them.

Hence when the biggest moment in the clubs history happened. Nobody done a goddamn thing except cry about injustice. 

But our lot? A so called minuscule none worldwide celebrity fanbase (albeit close to 200k watched parade of Scottish cup in 98 I believe) Dragged our club back from the brink of death. 

 

Since 2011 at not point will I ever consider rangers a bigger club untill they have more cups than us. 

And never will I consider them to have a bigger fanbase.

And by fanbase. I mean real fans. 

 

I absolutely despise that shithouse of a comedy club and everything they stand for. 

 

 

 

Well said sir! 

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JackLadd
32 minutes ago, SuperstarSteve said:

We are a much bigger club than rangers. I’ll debate that with anyone. 

Saving your club is as big as it gets. 

Worldwide fanbase my arse. They are known worldwide but nobody actually supports them.

Hence when the biggest moment in the clubs history happened. Nobody done a goddamn thing except cry about injustice. 

But our lot? A so called minuscule none worldwide celebrity fanbase (albeit close to 200k watched parade of Scottish cup in 98 I believe) Dragged our club back from the brink of death. 

 

Since 2011 at not point will I ever consider rangers a bigger club untill they have more cups than us. 

And never will I consider them to have a bigger fanbase.

And by fanbase. I mean real fans. 

 

I absolutely despise that shithouse of a comedy club and everything they stand for. 

 

 

 

 

Chapeau my man. 

 

WATP they howl,  where was WATP when they died? They are scum who let their club die.

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Normthebarman

Let's not pretend that Rangers don't have a huge, global, worldwide fan base. 

 

But let's not forget that that huge, global, worldwide fan base let their club die. 

 

That's the difference between us and them. They have fans who, when push came to shove, couldn't be arsed to save the club. 

 

We, on the other hand, have supporters who dragged the club off it's knees and carried it on their back to safety. 

 

It's the equivalent of ignoring your mates phone calls when he's at his lowest and suicidal, and dragging his ass up at their lowest to make sure they get the help that they need. 

 

We have supporters. They have fans. 

 

Who let their club die. 

 

 

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Glamorgan Jambo

Sevco have a huge fanbase no doubt. I'd question how much is worldwide aside from a few supporters clubs in the usual Scottish emigre hotspots. 

 

I do think they have a chance this season. Firstly because I do rate Gerrard as a manager. He improved his team a fair bit last season and showed he's tough enough to stand up to and if necessary ship out non performers and trouble makers (yes that's you Kyle Lafferty). Don't underestimate how important their two derby wins will be in the psychological battle. 

 

Their bigger opportunity though is the presence of a volatile and argumentative idiot in the celtic dug out. Lennon always falls out with players and folks around him and whilst he's decent enough at thinking on his feet during the heat of a match he'll lose more matches this coming season than Rodgers did during his time here. 

 

Overall I think the league is likely to be too much an ask for their limited squad but I'd expect them to win a cup. At which point Gerrard will be immortalised by the hunnish hordes. And sought after by a semi decent club down south. And then he'll be gone and they'll be back where they started. 

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Glamorgan Jambo

Sevco have a huge fanbase no doubt. I'd question how much is worldwide aside from a few supporters clubs in the usual Scottish emigre hotspots. 

 

I do think they have a chance this season. Firstly because I do rate Gerrard as a manager. He improved his team a fair bit last season and showed he's tough enough to stand up to and if necessary ship out non performers and trouble makers (yes that's you Kyle Lafferty). Don't underestimate how important their two derby wins will be in the psychological battle. 

 

Their bigger opportunity though is the presence of a volatile and argumentative idiot in the celtic dug out. Lennon always falls out with players and folks around him and whilst he's decent enough at thinking on his feet during the heat of a match he'll lose more matches this coming season than Rodgers did during his time here. 

 

Overall I think the league is likely to be too much an ask for their limited squad but I'd expect them to win a cup. At which point Gerrard will be immortalised by the hunnish hordes. And sought after by a semi decent club down south. And then he'll be gone and they'll be back where they started. 

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Seymour M Hersh
On 11/07/2019 at 13:05, Clerry Jambo said:

They are massive and world wide whether we like it or not

 

I have to disagree with the world wide bit Clerry. They are only massive where there are large pockets of ex-pat Scots & Northern Irish (proddies). 

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Marooon!
11 hours ago, Normthebarman said:

Let's not pretend that Rangers don't have a huge, global, worldwide fan base. 

 

But let's not forget that that huge, global, worldwide fan base let their club die. 

 

That's the difference between us and them. They have fans who, when push came to shove, couldn't be arsed to save the club. 

 

We, on the other hand, have supporters who dragged the club off it's knees and carried it on their back to safety. 

 

It's the equivalent of ignoring your mates phone calls when he's at his lowest and suicidal, and dragging his ass up at their lowest to make sure they get the help that they need. 

 

We have supporters. They have fans. 

 

Who let their club die. 

 

 

 

There's one annoying doubt that lingers in my mind about the whole "new club" thing. 

 

 It was the old holding company that was liquidated and a new holding company was set up. Same thing happened with Leeds. Old holding company went bust only to be replaced by a new holding company. But Leeds are still recognised as the same club and retain their history by the authorities that matter (fifa, UEFA, FA etc, just like rangers)

 

The vermin too have just been transferred to a new company. Same club though.

 

Can someone honestly clarify why they are a new club but Leeds and vermin ain't? Or is it really just to wind them up and point scoring? 

 

Cheers. 

 

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Whatever

Other than Glasgow and Belfast where does this ‘Worldwide’ fan base exist?

 

Genuinely?

 

 

 

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Whatever
3 hours ago, Marooon! said:

 

There's one annoying doubt that lingers in my mind about the whole "new club" thing. 

 

 It was the old holding company that was liquidated and a new holding company was set up. Same thing happened with Leeds. Old holding company went bust only to be replaced by a new holding company. But Leeds are still recognised as the same club and retain their history by the authorities that matter (fifa, UEFA, FA etc, just like rangers)

 

The vermin too have just been transferred to a new company. Same club though.

 

Can someone honestly clarify why they are a new club but Leeds and vermin ain't? Or is it really just to wind them up and point scoring? 

 

Cheers. 

 

 

Or to flip the question,

 

How were Rangers allowed to retain their league status, yet Airdrie (also liquidated) were not?

 

Yer club died m8.

 

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Jodami
3 hours ago, Marooon! said:

 

There's one annoying doubt that lingers in my mind about the whole "new club" thing. 

 

 It was the old holding company that was liquidated and a new holding company was set up. Same thing happened with Leeds. Old holding company went bust only to be replaced by a new holding company. But Leeds are still recognised as the same club and retain their history by the authorities that matter (fifa, UEFA, FA etc, just like rangers)

 

The vermin too have just been transferred to a new company. Same club though.

 

Can someone honestly clarify why they are a new club but Leeds and vermin ain't? Or is it really just to wind them up and point scoring? 

 

Cheers. 

 

Jesus H, your first and probably last post! It's Sevco, you were liquidated, are a blight on Scottish society, have won nothing and are a shower of fat baw faced bigots. Sincerely hoping at least one of you perishes by choking on their own vomit in a Buckfast induced stupor after whatever "parade" they attend today. 

 

Cheers

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rick witter
19 hours ago, Doc Rob said:

Yes, Sevco still have a big fan base and will sell 3-4 times as many STs as Hearts. However, they also have

much bigger overheads, pay much higher wages (their wage bill must dwarf ours), make big losses year-on-year and have to be bailed out with ‘soft loans’ and haven’t sold anyone for big money (yet). I don’t even remember them resolving the issues regarding their lack of a NomAd or credit facilities, though I may well have missed this and will be happy to be corrected.

 

I just don’t see where the money for

multi-million pound transfers is coming from.

You are way too interested in Rangers mate let it go. 

You are sounding a bit jealous that they are signing all these players. 

Who actually cares!!!! 

 

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Lfhearts

Rangers have a huge following in usa

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Normthebarman
58 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

Rangers have a huge following in usa

Who let their club die. 

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Marooon!
6 hours ago, Whatever said:

 

Or to flip the question,

 

How were Rangers allowed to retain their league status, yet Airdrie (also liquidated) were not?

 

Yer club died m8.

 

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6 hours ago, Jodami said:

Jesus H, your first and probably last post! It's Sevco, you were liquidated, are a blight on Scottish society, have won nothing and are a shower of fat baw faced bigots. Sincerely hoping at least one of you perishes by choking on their own vomit in a Buckfast induced stupor after whatever "parade" they attend today. 

 

Cheers

 

I asked a genuine honest question that I'd like an answer to. Or do we just ignore the little fact that Leeds Utd's old holding company, like rangers, we're liquidated but even with a new company taking on the club and assets/history, like rangers they are recognised as the same club by those who matter?

 

Can someone who doesn't wish death on people provide an answer? 

 

 

 

 

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kingdannyb

Leeds got a CVA so "officially" they paid off all their debts.

Rangers did not, they just walked away from their creditors.

If SevCo want to be Rangers, they have to take the good and the bad, the trophies and the debts.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/read-full-list-rangers-oldco-11452483

 

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Marooon!
12 minutes ago, kingdannyb said:

Leeds got a CVA so "officially" they paid off all their debts.

Rangers did not, they just walked away from their creditors.

If SevCo want to be Rangers, they have to take the good and the bad, the trophies and the debts.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/read-full-list-rangers-oldco-11452483

 

 

Leeds Utd's original company was liquidated, there's a new company that runs them. The old company was still liquidated so don't know what I'm missing here.?

 

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/liquidators-finally-draw-a-line-under-leeds-united-s-2007-administration-with-less-than-750-000-paid-to-unsecured-creditors-1-9673129 

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Jodami
1 hour ago, Marooon! said:

 

 

I asked a genuine honest question that I'd like an answer to. Or do we just ignore the little fact that Leeds Utd's old holding company, like rangers, we're liquidated but even with a new company taking on the club and assets/history, like rangers they are recognised as the same club by those who matter?

 

Can someone who doesn't wish death on people provide an answer? 

 

 

 

 

Your first post is about another club, albeit a spanking new one. Not in any way suspicious at all. 

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tcjambo
10 minutes ago, Jodami said:

Your first post is about another club, albeit a spanking new one. Not in any way suspicious at all. 

Another plaything for kickbackers

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usagi
4 hours ago, Lfhearts said:

Rangers have a huge following in usa

Not compared to celtic they don't.

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Lfhearts

Was not saying they did compared to Celtic that's not why I said it.

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