Hearts fined ?100,000

[Gods a Jambo]

We should push this is far as it goes, what is the rule exactly? 70 yellows? 50? It's bollocks especially given we re not the worst in the league it really is a total farce... Especially given the subjective nature of re decisions - the SFA would have no chance of winning this in court... **** them and that imposter Reagan-what the **** does that joke of a human know about Scottish football anyway...

 

 

This 100%

[tcjambo]

Actually what one poster has touched upon already may be the crux for an appeal to the courts. If there is an acceptable level of resd and yellow cards then the SFA surely have to make this known to the clubs. If there is no established acceptable level and this fine is simply levied at the whim of the Disciplinary Committee then it's time for Vlad to stand up to them. Levein managed to get them to back down with the threat of court action, which I'm pretty certain he would have won.

[Coco]

Actually what one poster has touched upon already may be the crux for an appeal to the courts. If there is an acceptable level of resd and yellow cards then the SFA surely have to make this known to the clubs. If there is no established acceptable level and this fine is simply levied at the whim of the Disciplinary Committee then it's time for Vlad to stand up to them. Levein managed to get them to back down with the threat of court action, which I'm pretty certain he would have won.

 

Yes, if the procedures are not fair or not being applied correctly then they should be challenged in the right way.

[Drylaw Hearts]

Sorry, but the whole idea that you somehow beleive, that you have applied logic and reason to the situation is nonsense. Having been to nearly all games this season, the majority of yellows are again nonsense. We get shafted in a way no other team does, based purely on the fact Vlad told them what he did.

 

If you are somehow suggesting we should look closer to home as this may be our own doing, your also suggesting we have a level playing field. If you believe that, your ******* mental.

 

Are you saying the MAJORITY of our yellow cards last season were nonsense ?

[Benny Factor]

Actually what one poster has touched upon already may be the crux for an appeal to the courts. If there is an acceptable level of resd and yellow cards then the SFA surely have to make this known to the clubs. If there is no established acceptable level and this fine is simply levied at the whim of the Disciplinary Committee then it's time for Vlad to stand up to them. Levein managed to get them to back down with the threat of court action, which I'm pretty certain he would have won.

 

IIRC, did the club not pay the initial ?1000 fine to end the matter?

[Mr. T]

Actually what one poster has touched upon already may be the crux for an appeal to the courts. If there is an acceptable level of resd and yellow cards then the SFA surely have to make this known to the clubs. If there is no established acceptable level and this fine is simply levied at the whim of the Disciplinary Committee then it's time for Vlad to stand up to them. Levein managed to get them to back down with the threat of court action, which I'm pretty certain he would have won.

 

In fact, thinking along these lines. When Hearts got into trouble and were told to improve their discipline, surely targets must of been set for this improvement?

 

That Hearts are appealing either means they weren't set, or Hearts weren't told what they were. In either case, the SFA is a joke.

Their lack of transparency (along with FIFA's) makes it easy for officials to be corrupt and/or biased without anyone having concrete evidence. In this modern age, that kind of administration is pathetic.

[BobbyJenkins]

Perhaps some more SFA-aware people could say - but presumably there is some kind of an official 'Fair Play' plan handed down through FIFA and the other organisations? So that they are supposed to have a way to 'incentivise' better discipline?

 

If there is a directive like that, how else should the SFA try to do this other than fining the clubs?

 

Im not sure as I havent given that much thought but there may be an alternative, longer suspensions during the season perhaps, Im sure its worth investigating.

[Tommy Wiseau]

celtic 96 yellow 7 red why no action from sfa?

 

hearts 91 yellow 6 red 100 000 fine

 

killie 84 yellow 6 red an sfa warning

 

 

Is this stat correct? If so, the SFA are even more incompetent than we thought possible.

 

This shit won't stick man. No way.

 

 

Our discipline over the last 5 or 6 years has been shocking.

 

The fine is ridiculous but then again we don't know the number of cards the SFA would have deemed an acceptable level for us to avoid this punishment.

 

I'm going to guess it would have been far less than 86 Yellow Cards in SPL competition.

 

 

Does anyone?

 

The club certainly don't seem to.

 

They demanded an improvement in our discipline. We have demonstrably achieved that. Not a leg to stand on hitting us with this fine imo.

 

 

you can't argue against stats we were worst offenders last 2 seasons, having a fine threat before both seasons started. So we deserve it! Pay the fine but start with a clean slate. In the coming season let just play football, no dissent, no late challenges, no hand balls, no sportsmanship. Play the Old Firm way and we will be challenging right up to the end. Now where is that bullet proof vest?

 

 

:cornette: :cornette:

[kennyblack'sshot]

b]Here's overall stats since we went to 12 teams in the SPL (only teass that have been in the top league all that time).[/b]

 

No doubt Hearts are the worst, but hardly by a massive amount - certainly nothing to deserve getting hammered the way we do.

 

Note Celtic's position as the team with the least cards and with nearly half the number of red cards hearts has received, and a lot less than Rangers. So much for everyone being against Celtic!!

 

Also, note Hibs being the second worst disciplined side after Hearts, with just 3 fewer yellow cards over 11 years. Overall they have received a mere 15 points less than Hearts over that time. Yet how much less have they been fined?

 

The columns show combined disciplinary points, then yellow cards, then reds.

 

 

Aberdeen 744 642 51

Celtic 623 559 32

D Utd 815 695 60

Hearts 883 759 62

Hibs 868 756 51

Killie 777 715 31

Motherwell 743 725 42

Rangers 690 606 42

 

All stats season by season since 2000/01:

 

Note the increase in Hearts cards after Romanov took over and the team was flooded with "dirty foreigners". Of course Celtic and Rangers teams have always been flooded with foreigners, but they seem to get an easier time of it. Read into that what you will.

 

Club SEASON Yellow Red PTS POSITION

Aberdeen 2000/01 47 7 61 10

Celtic 2000/01 51 5 61 11

Dundee 2000/01 74 9 92 4

Dundee Utd 2000/01 79 7 93 1

Dunfermline 2000/01 64 5 74 6

Hearts 2000/01 56 3 62 9

Hibernian 2000/01 61 1 63 8

Kilmarnock 2000/01 56 4 64 7

Motherwell 2000/01 81 6 93 2

Rangers 2000/01 75 9 93 3

St Johnstone 2000/01 76 6 88 5

St Mirren 2000/01 49 4 57 12

 

Aberdeen 2001/02 54 5 64 8

Celtic 2001/02 53 4 61 9

Dundee 2001/02 58 5 68 6

Dundee Utd 2001/02 62 4 70 5

Dunfermline 2001/02 59 4 67 7

Hearts 2001/02 54 3 60 10

Hibernian 2001/02 62 5 72 2

Kilmarnock 2001/02 69 1 71 4

Livingston 2001/02 60 6 72 3

Motherwell 2001/02 81 4 89 1

Rangers 2001/02 38 4 46 12

St Johnstone 2001/02 50 3 56 11

 

Aberdeen 2002/03 54 5 64 8

Celtic 2002/03 53 4 61 9

Dundee 2002/03 58 5 68 6

Dundee Utd 2002/03 62 4 70 5

Dunfermline 2002/03 59 4 67 7

Hearts 2002/03 54 3 60 10

Hibernian 2002/03 62 5 72 2

Kilmarnock 2002/03 69 1 71 4

Livingston 2002/03 60 6 72 3

Motherwell 2002/03 81 4 89 1

Rangers 2002/03 38 4 46 12

St Johnstone 2002/03 50 3 56 11

 

Aberdeen 2003/04 59 5 69 6

Celtic 2003/04 44 0 44 12

Dundee 2003/04 49 5 59 8

Dundee Utd 2003/04 61 4 69 7

Dunfermline 2003/04 48 5 58 9

Hearts 2003/04 66 4 74 4

Hibernian 2003/04 79 4 87 2

Kilmarnock 2003/04 75 5 85 3

Livingston 2003/04 64 3 70 5

Motherwell 2003/04 93 11 115 1

Partick 2003/04 47 2 51 11

Rangers 2003/04 50 1 52 10

 

Aberdeen 2004/05 61 4 69 3

Celtic 2004/05 40 3 46 11

Dundee 2004/05 37 4 45 12

Dundee Utd 2004/05 52 4 60 5

Dunfermline 2004/05 46 1 48 10

Hearts 2004/05 78 4 86 1

Hibernian 2004/05 57 4 65 4

Inverness CT 2004/05 52 4 60 6

Kilmarnock 2004/05 52 2 56 9

Livingston 2004/05 70 2 74 2

Motherwell 2004/05 55 2 59 7

Rangers 2004/05 53 3 59 8

 

Aberdeen 2005/06 48 2 52 10

Celtic 2005/06 39 2 43 11

Dundee Utd 2005/06 62 2 66 7

Dunfermline 2005/06 49 4 57 9

Falkirk 2005/06 73 3 79 3

Hearts 2005/06 71 6 83 2

Hibernian 2005/06 63 5 73 5

Inverness CT 2005/06 71 2 75 4

Kilmarnock 2005/06 41 1 43 12

Livingston 2005/06 92 2 96 1

Motherwell 2005/06 62 2 66 8

Rangers 2005/06 59 4 67 6

 

Aberdeen 2006/07 63 2 67 9

Celtic 2006/07 52 3 58 11

Dundee Utd 2006/07 65 8 81 5

Dunfermline 2006/07 92 6 104 1

Falkirk 2006/07 72 8 88 4

Hearts 2006/07 85 7 99 2

Hibernian 2006/07 81 9 99 3

Inverness CT 2006/07 67 5 77 6

Kilmarnock 2006/07 62 4 70 7

Motherwell 2006/07 58 6 70 8

Rangers 2006/07 60 2 64 10

St Mirren 2006/07 53 0 53 12

 

Aberdeen 2007/08 57 0 57 11

Celtic 2007/08 62 0 62 8

Dundee Utd 2007/08 54 10 74 5

Falkirk 2007/08 46 7 60 9

Gretna 2007/08 67 4 75 3

Hearts 2007/08 75 9 93 1

Hibernian 2007/08 74 9 92 2

Inverness CT 2007/08 50 5 60 10

Kilmarnock 2007/08 65 4 73 6

Motherwell 2007/08 63 1 65 7

Rangers 2007/08 48 4 56 12

St Mirren 2007/08 65 5 75 4

 

Aberdeen 2008/09 58 5 68 8

Celtic 2008/09 49 2 53 12

Dundee Utd 2008/09 72 2 76 4

Falkirk 2008/09 66 7 80 3

Hamilton 2008/09 62 7 76 5

Hearts 2008/09 55 9 73 7

Hibernian 2008/09 75 4 83 2

Inverness CT 2008/09 60 4 68 9

Kilmarnock 2008/09 92 2 96 1

Motherwell 2008/09 49 3 55 11

Rangers 2008/09 65 5 75 6

St Mirren 2008/09 51 4 59 10

 

Aberdeen 2009/10 75 10 95 2

Celtic 2009/10 52 4 60 11

Dundee Utd 2009/10 64 9 82 3

Falkirk 2009/10 66 0 66 8

Hamilton 2009/10 60 1 62 10

Hearts 2009/10 79 9 97 1

Hibernian 2009/10 68 4 76 4

Kilmarnock 2009/10 63 1 65 9

Motherwell 2009/10 36 1 38 12

Rangers 2009/10 58 5 68 6

St Johnstone 2009/10 71 1 73 5

St Mirren 2009/10 58 5 68 7

 

Aberdeen 2010/11 66 6 78 6

Celtic 2010/11 64 5 74 7

Dundee Utd 2010/11 62 6 74 8

Hamilton 2010/11 67 7 81 4

Hearts 2010/11 86 5 96 1

Hibernian 2010/11 74 6 86 2

Inverness CT 2010/11 52 3 58 12

Kilmarnock 2010/11 71 6 83 3

Motherwell 2010/11 66 2 70 10

Rangers 2010/11 62 1 64 11

St Johnstone 2010/11 66 3 72 9

St Mirren 2010/11 72 4 80 5

[foghorn5]

Sorry, total tom kite. What your saying is every booking was deserverd? Tell me the stats prior to vlads outburst, if were still shown to be the worst I will accept we deserve it.

 

I have neither the time or knowledge to dig out past stats to prove a point, nor did I say every booking was deserved. Had I a photographic memory I could easily find 2 or 3 fouls to compare to every booking handed out to Hearts players and place a what about question to each. But tell me what Judge, review board or whatever will rule against what is in black and white?

This is were we are screwed so to combat this the players are the only ones who can affect this score. Yes we do suffer more but this is because our games usually have more at stake than others and teams DO raise there game against us. OUR players are the only people who can affect OUR discipline score.

As for the tom kite accusation.. guilty as charged but we can't use stats in some arguments and not others just cause they don't feel fair, and I'm new to this game so the sarcasm in my comments will take time to filter through.

[Buffalo Bill]

I absolutely hate those corrupt Hampden *******s.

 

 

 

Hopefully Vlad will fight those cheats every step of the way.

 

 

 

What a backwards institution.

[Jambo in Bathgate]

It's time we went to the court of session! This is becoming a joke! Some of our yellows and reds this season were beyond belief!

[Vlad-Stupid]

I absolutely hate those corrupt Hampden *******s.

 

 

 

Hopefully Vlad will fight those cheats every step of the way.

 

 

 

What a backwards institution.

Theres no danger Vlad will just turn round and hand over the cash I actually can't wait to here what he has to say about this!

[Gods a Jambo]

Are you saying the MAJORITY of our yellow cards last season were nonsense ?

 

 

YES IAM!

[Debut 4]

Do OPTA stats show us how many challenges a Hearts player has made before he is booked?

 

If so we need to get these stats together asap, they'd form a massive part of our appeal.

 

I mean take the OF. How many times have you saw an OF player consistently foul yet only get a warning or 'talking to' from the ref? Couple that with the fact that we always seem to be screaming at refs that "IT WAS HIS FIRST FOUL FFS!!!" when a Hearts player is booked, and you'll see where I'm coming from.

 

It's a ******* joke, and Vlad and co should fight this all the way because it's a fight we WILL win.

 

The balls in our court Hearts....

Opta stats mean nothing imo. If my first tackle is a high boot in the groin its a yellow or maybe a red depending on the situation. Interpretation is key.

 

Point is anyway, we are being singled out for bad discipline(even by our own fans ffs) when we fine well know we have been done over on many bookings/reds when the opp have been just as bad. Our very own (maybe soon to be) Diamond put his head(or was it Miller?) into Zal while Zal done it back and got a red? The opposition never.

 

Not saying we are totally squeaky clean but the same punishment never gets dished out to other clubs for the same crimes in a game,or not nearly enough.

 

The GFA can go and **** themselves.. All change and the first thing they do is start on us? *****...(excuse language, not a happy bunny.)

[DETTY29]

A point or two.

 

Anyone who watched Hearts last season couldn't argue that our discipline has improved greatly (irrespective of what red / yellow stats show)

 

And that includes Ian Black being lucky in the second half of the seasom not to have been sent off at Ibrox, Parkhead and at home to Dundee United.

[Drylaw Hearts]

Are you saying the MAJORITY of our yellow cards last season were nonsense ?

 

 

YES IAM!

 

Telll me you're not serious.

 

Btw.........

 

You have until the time it takes me to decide which smiley to ridicule you with to answer the question.

[Tommy Wiseau]

Telll me you're not serious.

 

Btw.........

 

You have until the time it takes me to decide which smiley to ridicule you with to answer the question.

 

 

May I recommend:

 

[Groot]

YES IAM!

 

 

can't see that being true, a few yes but to say 48+ were not justified sounds like paranoid bollocks to me what I would expect from the great unwashed through the West

[Drylaw Hearts]

May I recommend:

 

 

Interesting.

 

You've just bought GaJ some more time.

[Vlad-Stupid]

I'd say 95% of our bookings are more than deserved, it's just the ridiculous ones that skew people's judgement. I'm sure every team has their fair share of ludicrous decisions. (obviously not the OF)

[Nookie Bear]

I just dont understand these fines at all. Why punish a team for the number of bookings and red cards, surely the team suffer through suspension of players etc over the course of the season. Its part and parcel of the game and referee decision making is far too subjective.

 

Is 86 yellows really all that bad over 38 games, not in these days imo as players get booked very very easily (outwith OF). I understand we had a period there where our disciplinary record was pretty bad and the fine is due in part to that but there was definitely a real harshness from refs.

 

If punishment is what the SFA want then maybe they should try and think of an alternative punishment, clubs cant afford this just now or at any time for that matter.

 

Theres also the OF argument, as stated on here, in that they are refereed differently from the rest of the SPL. Its just not a level paying field, plain and simple.

 

Fight them I say, fight them til the bitter end!!

 

Good shout. When Zal got sent off at fester road for a silly challenge, it gave hibs a penalty and meant we had to play an hour with 10 men. Surely that is punishment enough.

 

The SFA are just making it up as they go along and is probably down to the fact two of our sendings off came late in the season against the old firm and were still fresh in the minds of the committee.

 

And you're right on the OF argument as well. I rarely watch one of those games without thinking it should end with 8-men apiece. There was a tackle by Stokes in the 1st minute of one of them that was X-certificate but he got away with it. It all adds up!

[Debut 4]

This is where football is killing itself. I don`t think there is anything wrong with the way we play physically.

 

What do we do? Not tackle at all? The rules need to be looked at again and let refs be refs and not live by a fackin stupid rule book by the letter of the law.

 

Mind you, i agree when Mark Lawrenson said one time that he thought "refs know the rules but not the game"......I really think he is right. There are some soft as well as baffling decisions in football alot these days.

[Eckauskas]

Yet more nonsense from the most inept governing body on Earth

 

I now feel thoroughly vindicated in my wish that their 'Old Firm Select' they put forward for international matches get utterly humiliated at every turn

[Ray Gin]

Take the corrupt swines to court over this if they refuse to back down. Absolutely ridiculous and completely unfair.

 

Extortion by the SFA, who's running them these days? Tony Soprano?

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

No way will emperor vlad pay this

[Drylaw Hearts]

Is it right that SPL clubs are fined more heavily by the SFA than lower league clubs ?

 

We're all supposed to be adhering to the sames rules and regulations - aren't we ?

[Nookie Bear]

Having a mental bloch here - what have our red cards been?

 

Zal at hibs

Jonsson at ibrox (rescinded?)

Obua

Pala at home to Dundee Utd

 

What's the other one?

 

Two of them were straight-forward last-man offences and hardly worthy of further investigation. One was rescinded and the other one was laughable.

[Tommy Wiseau]

Having a mental bloch here - what have our red cards been?

 

Zal at hibs

Jonsson at ibrox (rescinded?)

Obua

Pala at home to Dundee Utd

 

What's the other one?

 

Two of them were straight-forward last-man offences and hardly worthy of further investigation. One was rescinded and the other one was laughable.

 

 

Palazuelos away to Hamilton or some other nonsense at the start of the season? Silliness from him IIRC anyways.

[Drylaw Hearts]

Having a mental bloch here - what have our red cards been?

 

Zal at hibs

Jonsson at ibrox (rescinded?)

Obua

Pala at home to Dundee Utd

 

What's the other one?

 

Two of them were straight-forward last-man offences and hardly worthy of further investigation. One was rescinded and the other one was laughable.

 

Ruben away to Hibs ?

[Eckauskas]

Having a mental bloch here - what have our red cards been?

 

Zal at hibs

Jonsson at ibrox (rescinded?)

Obua

Pala at home to Dundee Utd

 

What's the other one?

 

Two of them were straight-forward last-man offences and hardly worthy of further investigation. One was rescinded and the other one was laughable.

 

Thommo at Falkirk.

[kamac1]

the red cards palazuelos against hamilton and against dundee utd

c thomson against falkirk in league cup

zal against hibs

obua against celtis

and jonsson against rangers

[GD_JAMBO]

ffs !!!!!!!! lets make a giant banner with vlads face on it and words that say **** the sfa

[Shanks]

100K!!!! The SFA are a joke, I suppose the suits need the cash for another jolly to spain.

 

*****.

[Jambothroughandthrough]

I've had a look at how clubs are dealt with in the Premiership when it comes to indiscipline and they appear to be just as tough.

 

An Example:

 

''Wolves are planning to appeal to the FA after they were handed a ?75,000 fine for poor discipline.

 

The club have incurred a fine after receiving more than six yellow cards in their last two Premier League games against Fulham on Saturday and Newcastle United before the international break''

 

 

But I agree with the poster BoobyJenkins who wrote this - ''I just dont understand these fines at all. Why punish a team for the number of bookings and red cards, surely the team suffer through suspension of players etc over the course of the season. Its part and parcel of the game and referee decision making is far too subjective.

 

Is 86 yellows really all that bad over 38 games, not in these days imo as players get booked very very easily''

[tinydancer]

the red cards palazuelos against hamilton and against dundee utd

c thomson against falkirk in league cup

zal against hibs

obua against celtis

and jonsson against rangers

how many yellows for celebrating a goal in front of their own fans???

[kitster]

how many yellows for celebrating a goal in front of their own fans???

 

For us? I'm not sure, perhaps a stato can tell us. As for the old firm, I'd be interested to know as they even get away with it at the other end.

[davemclaren]

I've had a look at how clubs are dealt with in the Premiership when it comes to indiscipline and they appear to be just as tough.

 

An Example:

 

''Wolves are planning to appeal to the FA after they were handed a ?75,000 fine for poor discipline.

 

The club have incurred a fine after receiving more than six yellow cards in their last two Premier League games against Fulham on Saturday and Newcastle United before the international break''

 

 

But I agree with the poster BoobyJenkins who wrote this - ''I just dont understand these fines at all. Why punish a team for the number of bookings and red cards, surely the team suffer through suspension of players etc over the course of the season. Its part and parcel of the game and referee decision making is far too subjective.

 

Is 86 yellows really all that bad over 38 games, not in these days imo as players get booked very very easily''

 

 

Not quite as tough when you consider the income of a premiership club.

[the kings dad]

This may have already been posted but can any one give the details of bookings in matches against us comparing our crime count against the opposition, I would reckon taking the old firm out of the equation ,who we know don't get booked for the same kind of fouls as every other team in the league. I would reckon from memory last season in most matches most teams had more bookings than us. Also what percentage of our bookings were against the old firm? Is it because we had the audacity to compete against them ?

[Jambothroughandthrough]

Not quite as tough when you consider the income of a premiership club.

 

If we break the law we don't get fined based on our income. Someone on 10 grand a year won't get a lesser fine than someone on 25 grand a year.

 

Do you think that the SFA should fine clubs based on their financial situation?

[davemclaren]

If we break the law we don't get fined based on our income. Someone on 10 grand a year won't get a lesser fine than someone on 25 grand a year.

 

Do you think that the SFA should fine clubs based on their financial situation?

 

Fines based on wealth would indeed be fair. By your logic a similar behavioural performance from a club in the Scottish 3rd division would end up with them out of business. It wouldn't happen.

[john brownlee]

lets just leave the GFA

 

 

 

most of the cards we got, never even warranted a talking to by refs to other clubs players, to many to mention

 

the whole system stinks they are now wanting the refs to have more power by limiting clubs managers and staff to comment on the refs actions. you couldn't make it up. compare the rankers centre halfs action with david Obuas which one got carded just one of many

 

they (GFA) are scared that we can compete with rantic thats why all this crap happens.

[davemclaren]

lets just leave the GFA

 

 

 

most of the cards we got, never even warranted a talking to by refs to other clubs players, to many to mention

 

the whole system stinks they are now wanting the refs to have more power by limiting clubs managers and staff to comment on the refs actions. you couldn't make it up. compare the rankers centre halfs action with david Obuas which one got carded just one of many

 

they (GFA) are scared that we can compete with rantic thats why all this crap happens.

 

 

Where would we go if we were to leave the SFA? We would have no-where to play.

[tcjambo]

Indeed they did but I think legal advice was that the Disciplinary Committee did not have it written into their procedures that they could keep doubling his fine for non-payment, as they were doing. It was reeduced back down to the original amount and the SFA was allowed to save face that they had backed down by the club stepping in. CL didn't pay anything ultimately.

 

IIRC, did the club not pay the initial ?1000 fine to end the matter?

[the kings dad]

The whole thing is corrupt when the so called top refs State openly that they referee the old firm game differentlyfrom the rest !!!

[Felix Lighter]

Since Vlad arrived in 2004-2005 Hearts have been fined every season since for indiscipline.

In that time we've been through eight managers and who knows how many different players have played in that time.

So it appears that no matter who the manager is,or which players take the field,Hearts as a club are incapable of markedly improving discipline to a level that satisfies the SFA.

Since 2004-05 there have been three constants in this ongoing farce, those being Vlad,the SFA, and referees.

It's not exactly rocket science.

SFA GTF.

[Drylaw Hearts]

lets just leave the GFA

 

 

 

most of the cards we got, never even warranted a talking to by refs to other clubs players, to many to mention

 

the whole system stinks they are now wanting the refs to have more power by limiting clubs managers and staff to comment on the refs actions. you couldn't make it up. compare the rankers centre halfs action with david Obuas which one got carded just one of many

 

they (GFA) are scared that we can compete with rantic thats why all this crap happens.

 

 

I really worry about the sanity of some Hearts supporters.

[Eckauskas]

Getting fined for picking up an average 2.26 bookings per game

[Footballfirst]

From what I can find in the SFA archives,

 

2002/03

A record number of red and yellow cards in Scottish football last season has resulted in substantial fines for some clubs, following the Scottish FA?s Disciplinary Analysis of 2002?03.

 

Motherwell, who had eleven players sent off in league matches alone, have been fined ?10,000 by the SFA Disciplinary Committee, although ?5,000 of the fine is suspended until January 2004 to encourage an improvement in behaviour. The club was also fined ?5,000 last year, and warned in January that misconduct was poor.

 

Kilmarnock have been fined ?5,000, having failed to improve on discipline following a warning in January from the committee.

 

2006/07

The Scottish FA's Disciplinary Committee has imposed a record fine of ?20,000 on Heart of Midlothian for its disciplinary record last season.

 

This is the third successive season that Heart of Midlothian has been fined and the fine is the highest ever imposed on a club for indiscipline. The previous fines imposed on the club were ?5,000 and ?10,000. The club has been warned on each previous occasion, and also after each mid-season review, to take steps to improve its disciplinary record.

 

Dunfermline Athletic, Hibernian and Falkirk were each fined ?5000, the minimum fine which can be imposed on an SPL club, for having poor disciplinary records last season.

 

21 other clubs were fined, with three having their fines suspended.

 

 

2007/08

Heart of Midlothian have been fined a record ?40,000 by the Scottish FA?s Disciplinary Committee for their poor disciplinary record.

 

This is the fourth successive season that Heart of Midlothian have been fined and it is the highest ever imposed on a club for indiscipline. ?30,000 of the fine is due immediately with ?10,000 suspended until the committee?s consideration of the mid season disciplinary analysis in January 2009. If there is no noticeable improvement in the club?s discipline, the remaining ?10,000 will be payable.

 

Last season the club was fined ?20,000 for their poor disciplinary record which was a record at the time. The club has been warned on each previous occasion, and also after each mid-season review, to take steps to improve its disciplinary record.

 

18 other clubs were fined, including a ?10,000 fine for Hibernian, and 6 clubs were warned as a result of their disciplinary records.

 

 

2008/09 (Aug-Dec only)

The Disciplinary Committee considered the Mid Season Disciplinary Analysis for the period August to December 2008 at a meeting last week.

 

It was decided that the suspended fines which had been imposed on three clubs for their poor disciplinary records last season, should now be applied given that there had been no evident improvement in their positions. The clubs concerned are:

 

Heart of Midlothian FC (Fined a total of ?40,000 in July 2008. Payment of ?10,000 of the fine was suspended until consideration of mid season analysis)

 

2008/09

The Scottish FA has today published their Disciplinary Analysis statistics for Season 2008/09.

 

Heart of Midlothian have been fined ?50,000 by the Disciplinary Committee for their poor disciplinary record.

 

This is the fifth successive season that Heart of Midlothian have been fined and it is the highest ever imposed on a club for indiscipline. ?40,000 of the fine is due immediately with ?10,000 suspended until the committee?s consideration of the mid season disciplinary analysis in January 2010. If there is no noticeable improvement in the club?s discipline, the remaining ?10,000 will be payable.

 

25 other clubs were fined, including a ?20,000 fine for Hibernian, and 19 clubs were warned as a result of their disciplinary records.

 

2010/11

Heart of Midlothian have been fined ?100,000 by the Scottish FA's Disciplinary Committee for their poor disciplinary record last season. This is the seventh successive season that Hearts have been sanctioned and is the highest-ever imposed on a club for indiscipline.Of the ?100,000, ?60,000 is due immediately, with the remaining ?40,000 suspended as follows:

 

* ?20,000 is suspended until consideration of the mid-season Disciplinary Analysis in January 2012 and will be payable if there is no noticeable improvement in the club's discipline.

 

* ?20,000 is suspended until consideration of the Disciplinary Analysis at the end of season 2011/12 and will be payable if there is no noticeable improvement in the club's discipline.

 

The Tynecastle club were fined ?60,000 [?10,000 suspended] for indiscipline at the end of last season, which was a record at the time.

 

Thirty clubs were fined in total, with Stirling Albion receiving a ?3000 fine, while Dundee and Montrose both received fines of ?2000.

 

 

 

 

[berrasbraw]

I would actually love to know how much we've actually paid in fines since Vlad came. We got a few for Vlad speaking out against them,yet Lennon,Reid,Lawell etc seem to say whatever they like and dont even get pulled up never mind fined.

Fight them all the way.