Brighton Jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 One mitigating argument might be that we were two up, made the change and they scored. So no material advantage. That would involve common sense though. That and the SFA will be salivating at the thought of punishing us hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 What a shambles. Thought Ann Budge was a professional business woman but we are run like the local bowling club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Whoever is responsible should be clearing their desk at this very moment. Edited July 19, 2018 by Cruyff Turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Most likely the tie will be awarded to Cove. Unbelievable error for a club like Hearts to make. With all due respect to Andrew Irving, it was a strange one bringing him on anyway, with all the other players available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 As a side issue and a bug bear of mine. We give team line ups to a League official before the game (referee), he accepts that and game starts. He should have a list from SFA of who is able to play for both teams. Not an excuse in this case as that is not the rules just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, jambo1975 said: With tickets sold for all upcoming games you would hope expulsion is not on the table. However it must be one of the possible options. Utter shambles from the club here, only plus point is that we are ahead of the game in the club statement league early doors!! They won’t kick us out. We mean a lot of revenue for the other clubs we visit and I think we are on telly against Snecky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BobbyJenkins said: Mistake but hardly earth shattering. See what comes, take it on the chin n get on with it. Would losing 3-0 to Cove have been earth shattering, because thats the probable net outcome of that tie now. Edited July 19, 2018 by Escobar PHM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Brighton Jambo said: One mitigating argument might be that we were two up, made the change and they scored. So no material advantage. That would involve common sense though. That and the SFA will be salivating at the thought of punishing us hard Stop your paranoia. Clubs have been emptied from the cup before because of it. Common sense says 3-0 them and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Be laughing our socks off if it was Hibs. It’s a bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Here's a prime example from last season...we could well be leaving the league cup The Scottish Professional Football League has opened disciplinary proceedings against Albion Rovers, after the League One side fielded an ineligible player during their Challenge Cup victory over Spartans. Liam McGuigan was on the Rovers bench for the first-round tie on Tuesday. The midfielder's team won 5-4 on penalties after a goalless 120 minutes. Both teams will be entered in Thursday's second-round draw, pending the outcome of the proceedings. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40951947 Albion Rovers have been thrown out of the Scottish Challenge Cup and fined £2,000 for fielding an unregistered player in their win over Spartans. It means the Lowland League side will instead host Linfield in the second round on 2 September. The Wee Rovers won the tie on 15 August on penalties after a 0-0 draw, but 18-year-old debutant Liam McGuigan had not been registered. He had previously been part of the League One club's development squad. Rovers, who are managed by former Motherwell and Scotland midfielder Brian Kerr, pleaded guilty to a breach of the competition's regulations at a Scottish Professional Football League hearing. The governing body annulled the result of the first-round tie and awarded it to Spartans 3-0. Midfielder McGuigan came on as a 71st-minute substitute for Michael Hopkins. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41038340 Edited July 19, 2018 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I agree let’s not lose our heads but we only get two realistic shots at silverware a season and someone’s inability to do their job could deprive us of one before we even get out of July. I think we have the right to be angry A very important job at a football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 And just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water. This happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Very difficult to boot us out when tickets sold for games coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I'm trying to be more positive going in to this season but when stuff like this happens its pretty difficult. Absolute amateur hour and somebody will get booted up the arse big time for that - and rightly so. Boys put a shift in last night only for this to happen - there are too many mistakes going on behind the scenes for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Back to 2005 said: What a shambles. Thought Ann Budge was a professional business woman but we are run like the local bowling club. That’s bollocks though, isn’t it. New stand. New pitch. New team. An admin mistake from some low level employee is hardly Mrs Budge’s fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zen Jambo said: Silly mistake. We take out punishment, someone gets reprimanded, we learn, we move on. Lets not lose our heads over it. What are you on. I can't remember this ever happening with Hearts. Even Amatuer clubs i've managed don't let this happen and to think we are paying FULL TIME EMPLOYEES that let this happen makes me feel angry. We need employee's who know what they are doing as this cannot happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 We're very lax about some things at times. It beggars belief, there's some serious incompetence at our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: One mitigating argument might be that we were two up, made the change and they scored. So no material advantage. That would involve common sense though. That and the SFA will be salivating at the thought of punishing us hard Not the SFA competition. It's the SPFL. It's the league cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, CJGJ said: Here's a prime example from last season The Scottish Professional Football League has opened disciplinary proceedings against Albion Rovers, after the League One side fielded an ineligible player during their Challenge Cup victory over Spartans. Liam McGuigan was on the Rovers bench for the first-round tie on Tuesday. The midfielder's team won 5-4 on penalties after a goalless 120 minutes. Both teams will be entered in Thursday's second-round draw, pending the outcome of the proceedings. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40951947 Albion Rovers have been thrown out of the Scottish Challenge Cup and fined £2,000 for fielding an unregistered player in their win over Spartans. It means the Lowland League side will instead host Linfield in the second round on 2 September. The Wee Rovers won the tie on 15 August on penalties after a 0-0 draw, but 18-year-old debutant Liam McGuigan had not been registered. He had previously been part of the League One club's development squad. Rovers, who are managed by former Motherwell and Scotland midfielder Brian Kerr, pleaded guilty to a breach of the competition's regulations at a Scottish Professional Football League hearing. The governing body annulled the result of the first-round tie and awarded it to Spartans 3-0. Midfielder McGuigan came on as a 71st-minute substitute for Michael Hopkins. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41038340 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Here's a prime example from last season The Scottish Professional Football League has opened disciplinary proceedings against Albion Rovers, after the League One side fielded an ineligible player during their Challenge Cup victory over Spartans. Liam McGuigan was on the Rovers bench for the first-round tie on Tuesday. The midfielder's team won 5-4 on penalties after a goalless 120 minutes. Both teams will be entered in Thursday's second-round draw, pending the outcome of the proceedings. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40951947 Albion Rovers have been thrown out of the Scottish Challenge Cup and fined £2,000 for fielding an unregistered player in their win over Spartans. It means the Lowland League side will instead host Linfield in the second round on 2 September. The Wee Rovers won the tie on 15 August on penalties after a 0-0 draw, but 18-year-old debutant Liam McGuigan had not been registered. He had previously been part of the League One club's development squad. Rovers, who are managed by former Motherwell and Scotland midfielder Brian Kerr, pleaded guilty to a breach of the competition's regulations at a Scottish Professional Football League hearing. The governing body annulled the result of the first-round tie and awarded it to Spartans 3-0. Midfielder McGuigan came on as a 71st-minute substitute for Michael Hopkins. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41038340 So out the cup we go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 All because we brought Andy f***** Irving off the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Back to 2005 said: Very difficult to boot us out when tickets sold for games coming up. And tv. We won’t get kicked out, no danger. Fine probably also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Pants Shaton said: That’s bollocks though, isn’t it. New stand. New pitch. New team. An admin mistake from some low level employee is hardly Mrs Budge’s fault. The buck stops with her I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JME Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Hoping that it will just be a slap on the wrists with a fine due to the player being contracted and it just being an admin error. Although it's probably more likely the game to be awarded 3-0 to Cove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, jonnothejambo said: No they won't, guarantee it. Wanna settle this over a game of checkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Embarrassing for sure. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Back to 2005 said: What a shambles. Thought Ann Budge was a professional business woman but we are run like the local bowling club. Anns hardly going to be the one scanning and uploading pdfs to the SFA. It'll likely have been some lowly paid administrator that's cocked up, and while I don't want to blame him I'd imagine contracts etc would fall more under our former 'DOF' remit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I'd imagine the 3 points will go to Cove. No guarantee we will qualify with 9 points either. Arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Hearts should demand an answer before Saturdays game. What is the point if risking players v Raith if it is meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 i only see either the game being awarded as 3-0 to cove or us being expelled from the cup. i actually see us being expelled with a fine of £2k or £3k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Pants Shaton said: That’s bollocks though, isn’t it. New stand. New pitch. New team. An admin mistake from some low level employee is hardly Mrs Budge’s fault. It shouldn’t be a low level employees job of making sure there’s no way we get emptied from a national trophy at first team level. Youth team perhaps, first team should be looked after HR director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cruyff Turn Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Gambo said: So out the cup we go? Exactly the same circumstances it seems, an academy player playing for the first team without his contract being updated. Unbelievable mistake for this club to make, shambolic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: So out the cup we go? If we somehow get out of jail with a fine and a 3 zip defeat, Albion will rightly be going tonto. What a start to the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 We would've been kicked out if it had been a knock out round. It wasn't so Cove will be awarded the tie and we will get a fine. ****ing embarrassing though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboruss Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Zen Jambo said: Silly mistake. We take out punishment, someone gets reprimanded, we learn, we move on. Lets not lose our heads over it. FAR too sensible.....seethe is required! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Dave Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Juanjo15 said: Yep. Mistakes DONT HAPPEN at this level. Just like last year someone forgot to order fecking seats. Quite incredible this wasn’t checked. Levein would be getting it tight had we had actually lost last night, the person or people who ****ed this up should be given a written warning at the least. The club wouldnae like to apologise to the support who turned up or the support in general though. Shambles. They should be issuing refunds to the fans who travelled all that way for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: Hearts should demand an answer before Saturdays game. What is the point if risking players v Raith if it is meaningless. Demand shit and punishment more severe? Nah it’s okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Agree with others about it being awarded 3-0 Cove. Really poor mistake and not what the playing staff and management deserve for all their efforts. Even 3 wins now will leave it very tight for qualification especially if goal difference is minus 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Jarman Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Bet it was it same ***** that forgot to order seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Silly mistake. Deal with it, take the punishment and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just now, Disco Dave said: They should be issuing refunds to the fans who travelled all that way for nothing. Yep. But not even a small apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Did Dundee United not field someone ineligible to ICT a couple of years back and lost the 3 points but ICT didn’t get them? Could be wrong, sketchy memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zen Jambo said: Silly mistake. We take out punishment, someone gets reprimanded, we learn, we move on. Lets not lose our heads over it. "Silly mistake" is surely a bit of an understatement. A year ago we were forgetting to order the seats for the new stand. Now we are finding we forgot to register a player. Edited July 19, 2018 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, JME said: Hoping that it will just be a slap on the wrists with a fine due to the player being contracted and it just being an admin error. Although it's probably more likely the game to be awarded 3-0 to Cove. Albion Rovers may have something to say about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just use Rangers as an example for incorrect registration of players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just how many more amateur bumbling's must the long suffering Supporters of Heart of Midlothian have to put up with from the Buffoons in charge of our Football Club???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Juanjo15 said: Stop your paranoia. Clubs have been emptied from the cup before because of it. Common sense says 3-0 them and move on. 1 minute ago, Back to 2005 said: Very difficult to boot us out when tickets sold for games coming up. It is a different perhaps unprecedented situation in being a group game Perhaps 3-0 victories awarded to every team. Surely the fairest outcome. And then the punishment of having to refund tickets for the home games. Hearing is Monday after Raith game but before Cowdenbeath and Inverness games. Why should Cove be awarded points but not the others? Maybe get/ need a friendly to make up the money / games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulf Jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 The fact we can prove he had signed the contract in Jan but it just wasn't added onto the system should help us. 3 points lost now and a fine. The other example posted was for a development player so he probably didn't have a senior contract, hence the expulsion for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Jambo Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, mitch41 said: What are you on. I can't remember this ever happening with Hearts. Even Amatuer clubs i've managed don't let this happen and to think we are paying FULL TIME EMPLOYEES that let this happen makes me feel angry. We need employee's who know what they are doing as this cannot happen again. Yep. You’re right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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