Daz_1874_HMFC Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Has anyone gone about changing address details for the shares that were offered for sale to raise money before admin? Recently received the AGM info but went to an old address, had a look online with the company Equinti but can’t find a reference number to match my shares to change online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I think you need to write them a letter. I tried doing it by email/phone and they sent a confirmation to my old address! I'm not near there anymore and have no contact details for the new owners. So I still need to get myself sorted as well. Maybe worth a try contacting the club and getting them to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, Daz_1874_HMFC said: Has anyone gone about changing address details for the shares that were offered for sale to raise money before admin? Recently received the AGM info but went to an old address, had a look online with the company Equinti but can’t find a reference number to match my shares to change online Call Equiniti on this number ... 0371 384 2492 Lines open 8:30am - 5:30pm M-F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said: Call Equiniti on this number ... 0371 384 2492 Lines open 8:30am - 5:30pm M-F I still havent had my certificate as it went to my old address do you think they would give me another ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, Jamboelite said: I still havent had my certificate as it went to my old address do you think they would give me another ? No, unless you write into them and the letter is witnessed by a Notary or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: I still havent had my certificate as it went to my old address do you think they would give me another ? I think you just need to write a disclaimer and fill it a most share certificate form, which they will send you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojambo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Does anyone know if it is possible to buy shares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, jimbojambo said: Does anyone know if it is possible to buy shares? If you can find a seller, then yes. As as they are not listed, you need to find a seller and agree a price. Once done, you can complete a Stock Transfer Form, available from Equinti’s website. The cost of this is a percentage of the consideration/sell price. New certificates will then be issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, jimbojambo said: Does anyone know if it is possible to buy shares? Shouldn’t be difficult to find a seller. The shares bought to save the club in 2012/2013 (£110 for £1000 shares I think), give the holder no benefits whatsoever. I have 200 pre Romanov shares and I receive 10 loyalty points per season for these ones though. But I don’t know if someone else would get this benefit if I sold this allocation of shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesandears Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Do you think that the shares will ever have a monetary value ie a recognised price per share that they would be traded at? I bought two lots as one of the 4,000+ that bought in November 2013 and have no intention of selling but wondered if they will ever have a financial value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, eyesandears said: Do you think that the shares will ever have a monetary value ie a recognised price per share that they would be traded at? I bought two lots as one of the 4,000+ that bought in November 2013 and have no intention of selling but wondered if they will ever have a financial value? The shares have a value now unless the company is worth zero, they are just not traded on the exchange. The seller and buyer would need to agree a price. I’ve contemplated selling/gifting some of my 2013 shares to a mate who couldn’t afford them at the time. He just wants the certificate which most fans simply want to have. I bought my first shares in 2005 when Vlad was hoovering them all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, eyesandears said: Do you think that the shares will ever have a monetary value ie a recognised price per share that they would be traded at? I bought two lots as one of the 4,000+ that bought in November 2013 and have no intention of selling but wondered if they will ever have a financial value? As long as they are not listed, they will have no value (pre and post Vlad), or only be worth what a seller or buyer can agree. I haven’t sold any since we were delisted. I have gifted some though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesandears Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Apache Mal said: The shares have a value now unless the company is worth zero, they are just not traded on the exchange. The seller and buyer would need to agree a price. I’ve contemplated selling/gifting some of my 2013 shares to a mate who couldn’t afford them at the time. He just wants the certificate which most fans simply want to have. I bought my first shares in 2005 when Vlad was hoovering them all up. 16 minutes ago, Paolo said: As long as they are not listed, they will have no value (pre and post Vlad), or only be worth what a seller or buyer can agree. I haven’t sold any since we were delisted. I have gifted some though. Thanks guys. As I say it's incidental as I, like everyone else, was simply making an emotional donation at the time that I could afford to lose. Well well worth it to help get the club to the end of that season before it tipped over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Apache Mal said: The shares have a value now unless the company is worth zero, they are just not traded on the exchange. The seller and buyer would need to agree a price. I’ve contemplated selling/gifting some of my 2013 shares to a mate who couldn’t afford them at the time. He just wants the certificate which most fans simply want to have. I bought my first shares in 2005 when Vlad was hoovering them all up. Does anyone know what happened with those shares held by HOMST on behalf of subscribers. I have tried in vain to get them put into my name but cannot get any answers even from the club, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, Apache Mal said: The shares have a monetary value now, they are just not traded on the exchange. Correct, the pre-admin shares were mentioned in last years accounts.. From last years accounts. There are 156,478,232 shares in issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny1874 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Daz_1874_HMFC said: Has anyone gone about changing address details for the shares that were offered for sale to raise money before admin? Recently received the AGM info but went to an old address, had a look online with the company Equinti but can’t find a reference number to match my shares to change online Do you have an account on Shareview? I changed my address last week using it (or at least I hope I did!). If you have an account you can login and there is a section for changing your address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Establishment Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I seem to have 2 tranches of shares so get 2 AGM invites etc. It is under same address, same name. Is there an easy way to merge into one account? Seems wasteful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 29 minutes ago, ollie2004 said: Does anyone know what happened with those shares held by HOMST on behalf of subscribers. I have tried in vain to get them put into my name but cannot get any answers even from the club, I’d like to know too. Still got the numbered false certificate from the trust. Anyone??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, The Establishment said: I seem to have 2 tranches of shares so get 2 AGM invites etc. It is under same address, same name. Is there an easy way to merge into one account? Seems wasteful Yes. Send Equinti both certificated. They will merge at no cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanmac Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Is this the Vlad shares? I bought them the final year of Romanov reign, was £110 for a certain amount . Never received anything in return. In all honesty I’d forgotten all about them. Think I’ve moved twice since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, clanmac said: Is this the Vlad shares? I bought them the final year of Romanov reign, was £110 for a certain amount . Never received anything in return. In all honesty I’d forgotten all about them. Think I’ve moved twice since then. Contact the club or Equinti and explain the situation, Ann said when she took over they would issue certificates for those admin era shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, eyesandears said: Do you think that the shares will ever have a monetary value ie a recognised price per share that they would be traded at? I bought two lots as one of the 4,000+ that bought in November 2013 and have no intention of selling but wondered if they will ever have a financial value? It depends on what the market value the club is. At £1m each share would be worth 0.6p At £5m 3p At £10m 6p ...... and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesandears Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: It depends on what the market value the club is. At £1m each share would be worth 0.6p At £5m 3p At £10m 6p ...... and so on Thanks FF. Retirement will have to wait until we win the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 20 hours ago, Worthing Jambo said: I’d like to know too. Still got the numbered false certificate from the trust. Anyone??! I have still got the certificate and a series of e-mails from HMFC and Derek Watson, but nothing transferring the shares into my name. Any thoughts on what to do next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, ollie2004 said: I have still got the certificate and a series of e-mails from HMFC and Derek Watson, but nothing transferring the shares into my name. Any thoughts on what to do next? The trust (if they exist) also hold shares in my name. Ive tried e-mails with no response back. Ive also move house long ago so any correspondence (certificate) won't come to me. Id almost written it off before reading this. Does anyone know if Derek Watson still involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Allen Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Anyone know how to defrost them? Mine are still frozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Paul Allen said: Anyone know how to defrost them? Mine are still frozen. Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 22 hours ago, stevie1874 said: The trust (if they exist) also hold shares in my name. Ive tried e-mails with no response back. Ive also move house long ago so any correspondence (certificate) won't come to me. Id almost written it off before reading this. Does anyone know if Derek Watson still involved? I emailed Derek Watson earlier today, no reply as yet, however the Supporters Trust is listed currently on HMFC website http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/pages/supporterstrust Derek is still listed. Perhaps we need to approach both again to see if there is an update. I believe Leslie Deans may be involved in some capacity regarding any shares transfer from HOMST to supporters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 50 minutes ago, ollie2004 said: I emailed Derek Watson earlier today, no reply as yet, however the Supporters Trust is listed currently on HMFC website http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/pages/supporterstrust Derek is still listed. Perhaps we need to approach both again to see if there is an update. I believe Leslie Deans may be involved in some capacity regarding any shares transfer from HOMST to supporters! This seens to have been going on for years. Does the Supporters Trust actually still exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: This seens to have been going on for years. Does the Supporters Trust actually still exist? As I posted earlier it is still listed on the current HMFC website. Board members include Derek Watson. I know this issue has gone on for years mate. I have tried in vain to get it sorted. If you remember it arose from the Save Our Hearts campaign through Gary Mackay. I think, may be wrong, that HOMST bought a large number of HMFC shares from Leslie Deans and they were lodged in HOMST's name later to be transferred to those of us who left their money in SOH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, ollie2004 said: I emailed Derek Watson earlier today, no reply as yet, however the Supporters Trust is listed currently on HMFC website http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/pages/supporterstrust Derek is still listed. Perhaps we need to approach both again to see if there is an update. I believe Leslie Deans may be involved in some capacity regarding any shares transfer from HOMST to supporters! Thanks Ollie I’ll give it another go ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanmac Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 On 22/11/2017 at 20:43, SUTOL said: Contact the club or Equinti and explain the situation, Ann said when she took over they would issue certificates for those admin era shares. Cheers will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, stevie1874 said: Thanks Ollie I’ll give it another go ? PM me mate and I will forward copy emails! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 19 hours ago, ollie2004 said: PM me mate and I will forward copy emails! Tried to send PM but can't, don't know if your box full? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 12:28, clanmac said: Is this the Vlad shares? I bought them the final year of Romanov reign, was £110 for a certain amount . Never received anything in return. In all honesty I’d forgotten all about them. Think I’ve moved twice since then. I did similar. Was/am living abroad. Never seen a sausage in return! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, stevie1874 said: Tried to send PM but can't, don't know if your box full? In box is empty mate. I will try to email you probably tomorrow though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 On 24/11/2017 at 16:35, ollie2004 said: As I posted earlier it is still listed on the current HMFC website. Board members include Derek Watson. I know this issue has gone on for years mate. I have tried in vain to get it sorted. If you remember it arose from the Save Our Hearts campaign through Gary Mackay. I think, may be wrong, that HOMST bought a large number of HMFC shares from Leslie Deans and they were lodged in HOMST's name later to be transferred to those of us who left their money in SOH. Somebody must know what the situation is? A bit of a worry that no one wants to comment. Maybe Leslie Deans can clarify the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 22 hours ago, ollie2004 said: In box is empty mate. I will try to email you probably tomorrow though. Tried eailing you with no success. However I emailed both club and HOMST with earlier emsils from DW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 On 22/11/2017 at 14:58, Daz_1874_HMFC said: Has anyone gone about changing address details for the shares that were offered for sale to raise money before admin? Recently received the AGM info but went to an old address, had a look online with the company Equinti but can’t find a reference number to match my shares to change online If you set up a profile on Equiniti's website you can do it online. Login and there is a list of options on the right hand side of the page, as you look at it. One of those is to change your home address. I did it about 2.5 yrs ago and everything comes to my present address now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 15:24, stevie1874 said: Tried to send PM but can't, don't know if your box full? Not got it but I have emailed both club and HOMST about this.. Perhaps do the same mate. My email inbox may be sending stuff to junk mail so will check again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 On 24/11/2017 at 16:25, davemclaren said: This seens to have been going on for years. Does the Supporters Trust actually still exist? As the Trust (sic) are not even close to complying with FSA / FCA regulations, I’d guess that Jane Lewis, Derek Watson, and the others will be keeping well out of sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 20 minutes ago, The Gasman said: As the Trust (sic) are not even close to complying with FSA / FCA regulations, I’d guess that Jane Lewis, Derek Watson, and the others will be keeping well out of sight. Only time will tell I suppose. However the club surely has some influence if they allow them to list on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 29 minutes ago, ollie2004 said: Only time will tell I suppose. However the club surely has some influence if they allow them to list on their website. To be honest, I suspect that the listing is an old one that’s never been removed, rather than anything current, or anything backed in any way at all by the current Board at Hearts. There was a thread on here about a year or two back (sorry, I can’t remember who started it) with folk trying to get the same answers / info that you are - it might be worth trying to find that to give you a head start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 24 minutes ago, The Gasman said: To be honest, I suspect that the listing is an old one that’s never been removed, rather than anything current, or anything backed in any way at all by the current Board at Hearts. There was a thread on here about a year or two back (sorry, I can’t remember who started it) with folk trying to get the same answers / info that you are - it might be worth trying to find that to give you a head start. The listing appesrs to be current as the AGM stuff is also shown. I recall the other thread indeed I posted a few times on it. I think the problem might be the fact the shares were not listed properly by HOMST but now question why snd what has become of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 hours ago, portobellojambo1 said: If you set up a profile on Equiniti's website you can do it online. Login and there is a list of options on the right hand side of the page, as you look at it. One of those is to change your home address. I did it about 2.5 yrs ago and everything comes to my present address now. Thank you, I've been meaning to change my address for a couple of years now, so will give this a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 hours ago, ollie2004 said: The listing appesrs to be current as the AGM stuff is also shown. I recall the other thread indeed I posted a few times on it. I think the problem might be the fact the shares were not listed properly by HOMST but now question why snd what has become of them! I don’t think that thread got anywhere either. Maybe this time we just keep this thread on the first page until someone in the know answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Does anyone on here personally know anybody associated with the trust? Maybe they can encourage them to come in and clear up the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 hours ago, ollie2004 said: I recall the other thread indeed I posted a few times on it. The or at least one of the previous threads. Their contact information on the Hearts website. http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/pages/supporterstrust For anyone interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 The secretary email address just bounces back as undelivered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, Worthing Jambo said: The secretary email address just bounces back as undelivered My emails to the secretary have been delivered. Possibe her inbox is full. 9 hours ago, Worthing Jambo said: I don’t think that thread got anywhere either. Maybe this time we just keep this thread on the first page until someone in the know answers? If my information is correct then HOMST acquired 250,000 shares from Leslie Deans Pentland Securities Holdings Ltd for £87,500. If correct where sre these shares snd why were they not passed on to the SOH campaigners who left money in the fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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