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This final case at the ICTY was also the first to formally acknowledge that Genocide actually took place.

 

7,000 unarmed men killed in one single incident alone. Many tens of thousands of others murdered by people who they had lived next to for years.

 

Glad that all the butchers have been brought to justice. Shocking that it's taken nearly 25 years to get convictions.

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"The long-anticipated verdict was delayed for more than half an hour after Mladić asked the judge for a bathroom break. When he returned, his defense team then asked for proceedings to be halted or shortened because of his high blood pressure, but judges denied the request. Mladic stood up shouting at the judges, and was forcibly removed from the courtroom to allow the verdicts to be read"

 

These guys never really get that they no longer hold the power they once had, even trying to dictate court proceedings.  Thankfully the judge put him in his place.  

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48 minutes ago, Cade said:

This final case at the ICTY was also the first to formally acknowledge that Genocide actually took place.

 

7,000 unarmed men killed in one single incident alone. Many tens of thousands of others murdered by people who they had lived next to for years.

 

Glad that all the butchers have been brought to justice. Shocking that it's taken nearly 25 years to get convictions.

 

The international community should never have allowed this to happen in the first place.

 

At the end of WWII everyone vowed that concentration camps would never ever be allowed on European soil ever again, yet they were allowed in the Balkans.

 

It is just a pity that it wasn't British Troops who were guarding the UN safe haven of Srebrenica when Mladic and his goons arrived at the gates.

I have no doubts that the massacre would never have happened if they had been.

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Good. Having met a Srebenica survivor and hearing him tell how half his family were killed (and bearing no ill will against the Dutch peacekeepers, which was extremely strong of him), at least he and many like him are finally getting some sort of justice.

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6 hours ago, Cade said:

This final case at the ICTY was also the first to formally acknowledge that Genocide actually took place.

 

7,000 unarmed men killed in one single incident alone. Many tens of thousands of others murdered by people who they had lived next to for years.

 

Glad that all the butchers have been brought to justice. Shocking that it's taken nearly 25 years to get convictions.

Most of the butchers are living a free life doing the jobs they did before the killings,

 

Policemen, Mayors, Council Officials etc .

 

And I should add that they're living in the same towns and villages where they commited these hideous acts .

 

 

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5 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

The international community should never have allowed this to happen in the first place.

 

At the end of WWII everyone vowed that concentration camps would never ever be allowed on European soil ever again, yet they were allowed in the Balkans.

 

It is just a pity that it wasn't British Troops who were guarding the UN safe haven of Srebrenica when Mladic and his goons arrived at the gates.

I have no doubts that the massacre would never have happened if they had been.

The "Safe  Areas" should never have been near the Serbian border 

 

The UN and the EU were and still are a disgrace !

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7 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

The international community should never have allowed this to happen in the first place.

 

At the end of WWII everyone vowed that concentration camps would never ever be allowed on European soil ever again, yet they were allowed in the Balkans.

 

It is just a pity that it wasn't British Troops who were guarding the UN safe haven of Srebrenica when Mladic and his goons arrived at the gates.

I have no doubts that the massacre would never have happened if they had been.

WW2, tell me what happened to the Serbs at the hands of the Croats.

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55 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

WW2, tell me what happened to the Serbs at the hands of the Croats.

 

So does that excuse what the Serbs did to the Bosnians,Croats & Kosovans during the Balkans war of the 1990's?

 

Two wrongs and all that.

 

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7 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

So does that excuse what the Serbs did to the Bosnians,Croats & Kosovans during the Balkans war of the 1990's?

 

Two wrongs and all that.

 

No, but it works for Israel. 

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3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

No, but it works for Israel. 

 

Wasn't aware that Israel was in Europe or that they had Concentration Camps.

 

Link please.

 

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Going off topic you two.

 

The Balkans is a hugely ethnically divided area with centuries of bitter history. It boils down to genuine hatred.There’s a fine book by laura silber about the war which makes you realise that no one was squeaky clean. The Serbs, and particularly the Bosnian Serbs, just went way beyond anyone else.

 

The UN’s credibility will never recover from Srebrenica. They’re now seen as a voice in the wind who will do nothing when anyone calls their bluff.

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1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Wasn't aware that Israel was in Europe or that they had Concentration Camps.

 

Link please.

 

Gaza Strip is one big camp but agree off topic

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11 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Going off topic you two.

 

The Balkans is a hugely ethnically divided area with centuries of bitter history. It boils down to genuine hatred.There’s a fine book by laura silber about the war which makes you realise that no one was squeaky clean. The Serbs, and particularly the Bosnian Serbs, just went way beyond anyone else.

 

The UN’s credibility will never recover from Srebrenica. They’re now seen as a voice in the wind who will do nothing when anyone calls their bluff.

Your last sentence is on the money. United Kingdom is as guilty as anyone.

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1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

Your last sentence is on the money. United Kingdom is as guilty as anyone.

 

It’s quite shocking to think that Srebrenica happened in the 1990s and not the 1930s, with everything in full view. Imagine just letting that happen.

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1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

It’s quite shocking to think that Srebrenica happened in the 1990s and not the 1930s, with everything in full view. Imagine just letting that happen.

Sadly the modern world. Many to scared to do the right thing for fear of criticism.

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4 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Wasn't aware that Israel was in Europe or that they had Concentration Camps.

 

Link please.

 

I'm talking genocide, they can kill who they want when they want without repercussions, because they're our pal.

Your right about Europe though, get them to play their WC qualifier against their neighbours. That would be worth the sports package upgrade.

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2 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Your last sentence is on the money. United Kingdom is as guilty as anyone.

United Nations, but I'll go with your answer.

:whistling:

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1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

It’s quite shocking to think that Srebrenica happened in the 1990s and not the 1930s, with everything in full view. Imagine just letting that happen.

 

That is why I said the International Community should never have let this happen in the first place.

 

The UN was set up to prevent or stop this sort of thing from happening, but has over the years and time and time again proved totally unfit for purpose.

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2 hours ago, XB52 said:

Gaza Strip is one big camp but agree off topic

That may be, but it's all relevant. Gaza , Guantanamo, Trumps wall and Brexit.

Isolation and persecution. I'd execute Ratko and co, but I'd also go after Blair and Bush.

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5 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

I'm talking genocide, they can kill who they want when they want without repercussions, because they're our pal.

Your right about Europe though, get them to play their WC qualifier against their neighbours. That would be worth the sports package upgrade.

Way way   :offtopic:

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I was listening to the BBC World Service yesterday and they interviewed a guy who's job it was to dig up these poor buggers and identify the corpses after the war.

 

Mldic who was worried about getting caught, ordered the mass graves to be dug up again and then used mechanical diggers (JCB's or whatever) to cut up the remains of the bodies and then mix them up in a dozen or so other graves so they could not be identified however; they have since identified over 6000 men and boys (as young as 12) but still have around 1000 unidentified.

The guy was saying he had body parts from the same person scattered across a dozen or more other graves.

 

They have now been given a proper burial and the unidentified bodies have been buried together in a memorial grave.

 

When he was doing his work, he was staying with a mother & daughter in their home who's husband had went missing. The daughter begged him not to tell her mother if he found her dad's body as the woman held onto the belief that her man was still alive. Bring a tear to a glass eye. Heartbreaking.

 

How can a man do this to another human being far less 7,000 plus men and boys?

 

I'm sorry but life imprisonment is too good for these monsters.

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I know someone who was involved in identifying the bodies at Srebrinica. Took literally years to exhume all the bone fragments from mass graves and group them together. He's a nice bloke but weird with it, which I guess you'd either have to be to begin with or would become as a result of horrendous work like that.

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58 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

I was listening to the BBC World Service yesterday and they interviewed a guy who's job it was to dig up these poor buggers and identify the corpses after the war.

 

Mldic who was worried about getting caught, ordered the mass graves to be dug up again and then used mechanical diggers (JCB's or whatever) to cut up the remains of the bodies and then mix them up in a dozen or so other graves so they could not be identified however; they have since identified over 6000 men and boys (as young as 12) but still have around 1000 unidentified.

The guy was saying he had body parts from the same person scattered across a dozen or more other graves.

 

They have now been given a proper burial and the unidentified bodies have been buried together in a memorial grave.

 

When he was doing his work, he was staying with a mother & daughter in their home who's husband had went missing. The daughter begged him not to tell her mother if he found her dad's body as the woman held onto the belief that her man was still alive. Bring a tear to a glass eye. Heartbreaking.

 

How can a man do this to another human being far less 7,000 plus men and boys?

 

I'm sorry but life imprisonment is too good for these monsters.

 

Out of interest, was it a Canadian guy?

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Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

Out of interest, was it a Canadian guy?

No I dont think so. May have been. English accent. 

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46 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

No I dont think so. May have been. English accent. 

 Ah okay, the guy I know is from Canada. Specialist in bone fragments and forensics

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51 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 Ah okay, the guy I know is from Canada. Specialist in bone fragments and forensics

He has retired from that field now. He was asked if now he had retired, the experience and what he witnessed had had an affect on his health. He said it hadn't (I would have been a basket case) although he was having some very vivid dreams which cased him to cry out at night and scared his wife. He's now taken up art (painting) which helps him cope.

 

A job I wouldn't (couldnt) do for a £Billion quid!

 

Hats off to the guy.

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Slobodan Praljak, a commander of Bosnian Croat forces during the Mostar siege, has drunk what he claims to have been poison at the war crimes tribunal after his appeal hearing ended in his 20 year jail term being upheld.

 

:wow:

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On 23/11/2017 at 14:45, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

I know someone who was involved in identifying the bodies at Srebrinica. Took literally years to exhume all the bone fragments from mass graves and group them together. He's a nice bloke but weird with it, which I guess you'd either have to be to begin with or would become as a result of horrendous work like that.

 

Dame Sue Black - a Scottish forensic anthropologist - is well known for the work she did in Kosovo. There should be some interviews online.

 

Gruesome work. 

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3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

And now deid.

 

This might sound extreme but in my opinion he was a coward. Couldn't even face the punishment for the crimes he committed.

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Escaped justice the coward's way.

 

How a convicted war criminal managed to get a vial of poison through security is a question that needs addressing.

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16 minutes ago, Cade said:

Escaped justice the coward's way.

 

How a convicted war criminal managed to get a vial of poison through security is a question that needs addressing.

 

These guys are still viewed as heroes by many. He'll have had no trouble finding an accomplices.

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