Should we ask Ann Budge

[jambobas]

to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season?

 

We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one.

 

Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox?

 

There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation.

 

It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL?

[martoon]

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[Lucille's Thirsty]

to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season?

 

We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one.

 

Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox?

 

There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation.

 

It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL?

 

It's not that bad at Hearts that we would go about it a hobo way.

[cosanostra]

Hibs style thread.

If the Huns finished 4th then they should play in Europe.

[Spencer]

to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season?

 

We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one.

 

Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox?

 

There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation.

 

It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL?

I smell Hibs

[Jambof3tornado]

Hearts should ask about the licence on the quiet without going public.

 

But they may have already done so.

[Doctor FinnBarr]

Hibs style thread.

If the Huns finished 4th then they should play in Europe.

Even if they fail to meet Eufa critoria?

[aussieh]

A summer break and rebuild wouldn't go a miss.

 

So no, leave it.

[Jammy T]

OP

 

Archery

 

Start archery - must give a chance of an Olympic medal with a bit of practice.

[been here before]

to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season?

 

We finished 5th last season and miss out on European football next season. However, any clubs put forward by national associations must conform to UEFA's financial fair play regulations which Sevco do not. Not only has Sevco made a loss in each of its 4 years of existence, but it only keeps going by means of more director's loans (which look likely to cease). Sevco did produce some interim, unaudited accounts a few months ago, which laughably showed a ?300k profit for the year to June this year. Sevco has as much chance of making a profit as I have of winning an Olympic medal. Mind you, a couple of Europa League matches would give them a fair chance of at least breaking even next year. The SFA has not yet publicly declared which clubs will be given a licence, but I very much doubt that Sevco will be refused one.

 

Some of you might be thinking that its just not worthwhile for us to be in Europe - new stand not ready, only half a team available etc., although personally, I would prefer European football to the early stages of the new look League Cup. Much more important though is the governance of Scottish football. Will the SFA just bend over once again to whichever club plays out of Ibrox?

 

There was a similar situation with the prevoius club in 2011, just before Craig Whyte took over. Rangers owed ?2.8M for the 'wee' tax case and should have been denied a licence. Defending this decision months later, Stewart Regan said that the debt had not 'crystallised' by 31 March, therefore there were no outstanding social taxes at that date. Evidence in the ongoing Craig Whyte trial has exposed the lie - Rangers had known about this bill for months, and it was overdue at 31 March. Indeed, it is still oustanding - now part of HMRC's claim against the club in liquidation.

 

It is certainly praiseworthy that the SFA feels that it should do as much as possible for its member clubs, but am I alone in thinking that this concern begins and stops with a royal blue club? If our CVA had failed in 2014, and we had gone into liquidation, would the SFA have pulled out all the stops to try to get a 'new' Hearts into the SPL?

Aye, you do that, drop her an email.

 

It's up to you if you want to let us know how it goes.

[Meadows]

Tin hat time BUT the OP does have a valid point. Immaterial if who finishes fifth, why should rules & regulations be ignored for the good of TRFC ?

The SFA / UEFA should be making the decision without any member clubs having to appeal.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Make the point and let Partick Thistle take the place

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

The Rangers will get nowhere in europe anyway. Probably scope for some healthy humiliation there. Let it ride

[Saint Jambo]

to challenge the SFA's possible award of a European licence to Sevco for next season?

 

What is the actual specific rule or requirement for a license that you think they don't meet? Do the rules give the SFA any flexibility to ignore one aspect? Genuinely curious.

 

As to whether Hearts should raise it, I'd say no. The outcome would be that sooner or later a decision would be made to allow Rangers to play. The management at Hearts have plenty to keep them busy this summer with out the distraction of fighting a battle they will inevitably lose.

[Harry Potter]

I would imagine Rangers tick all the boxes for the licence, even our ruling body are not that inadequate.

[1874robbo]

We don't deserve to be in it for our performances anyway so let's earn the right to play in it on the pitch and not through some ruling.

[The Don]

Reekin of vermin

 

We weren't good enough. Simple as that. Terrible OP.

 

 

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[EH11]

If we had a credible media, we'd know the answer to the suggestion that Rangers shouldn't have been given a license to play in Europe.

[OmiyaHearts]

Maybe you should start the ball rolling? Send the email and let us know how you get on.

[Marvin]

Hibs style thread.

If the Huns finished 4th then they should play in Europe.

Since they secured promotion the number of imposter type posts have increased. We missed out on Europe by our own mistakes. Sad but true.

[Back to 2005]

You can be sure if the roles were reversed they would be questioning it backed up by their media friends. Rules are in place for a reason and shouldn't be ignored just because it's Rangers. To question it would make things a bit uncomfortable so I say we should.

[part_time_jambo]

Even if they fail to meet Eufa critoria?

Is that the plural of criteria?

[WavyGravy]

I stopped reading at the word "Sevco" to be honest.

[DETTY29]

You have to wonder why FIFA, UEFA and all the individual country FAs and other sporting bodies bother with all these 100s of pages of rules when all that matters is what the head to head on the sporting arena.

[ollie2004]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Global/Issues/2016/12/01/Franchises/Rangers-UEFA-Request.aspx

 

This might clarify matters for OP, thought the actual rules were a bit cumbersome to link!

[ollie2004]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Global/Issues/2016/12/01/Franchises/Rangers-UEFA-Request.aspx

 

This might clarify matters for OP, thought the actual rules were a bit cumbersome to link!

http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html

 

Brief guide to UEFA Fair Play Rules

[Seymour M Hersh]

Tin hat time BUT the OP does have a valid point. Immaterial if who finishes fifth, why should rules & regulations be ignored for the good of TRFC ?

The SFA / UEFA should be making the decision without any member clubs having to appeal.

 

Totally agree but tbh if the offered the place to us I'd suggest passing it on to Patrick. We need a full pre-season under our belts.

[Seymour M Hersh]

I would imagine Rangers tick all the boxes for the licence, even our ruling body are not that inadequate.

 

They didn't tick all the boxes to gain entry into the (then) 3rd Division yet our ruling body allowed it.

[kila]

Would be surprised if Rangers qualify for the group stages. More likely an early exit from the qualifiers, and their budget to go tits up.

[Bull's-eye]

Not interested. Feel sorry for European clubs when the huns rock up for a jolly though.

[Back to 2005]

Are there Hearts fans that now don't want us to play in Europe?! I find this astonishing.

[Seymour M Hersh]

Are there Hearts fans that now don't want us to play in Europe?! I find this astonishing.

 

Not this summer. We have the bare bones of a first team squad currently and the first qualifying round is likely to be at the end of next month (I believe pre-season starts in 2-3 weeks). As I said previously we need to a. get new players in and b. give them a full pre-season. 

[Lucille's Thirsty]

Are there Hearts fans that now don't want us to play in Europe?! I find this astonishing.

We don't play in Europe though we get knocked out of the qualifying stage.

[Seymour M Hersh]

We don't play in Europe though we get knocked out of the qualifying stage.

 

Those qualifiers are still Europe. 

[Lucille's Thirsty]

Those qualifiers are still Europe.

Okaaay.