CJGJ Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 On now and yes we've been mentioned a couple of times re Dave MacKay I wonder what would have happened if we had completed the deal to bring him in as player/manager way back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 No idea re the Mackay question but I love the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 On now and yes we've been mentioned a couple of times re Dave MacKay I wonder what would have happened if we had completed the deal to bring him in as player/manager way back then Interesting question as apparently Clough persuaded him to keep playing. If he had have chosen us rather than Derby he may have hung up his boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 On now and yes we've been mentioned a couple of times re Dave MacKay I wonder what would have happened if we had completed the deal to bring him in as player/manager way back then HMFC had people like Bobby Parker on the committee at the club. Guys who couldn't run a village fair and who got the club relegated after running it into the ground for years. I doubt Mackay would have done much at Hearts - the club was in terminal decline following the departure of Alex Young. My old man used to say the club died after Mackay left. He didn't go to a game for 6 years after Young had gone. Clough was spending BIG money at Derby (and latterly at Forest) that the club simply didn't have. Signing Mackay for Derby was important but in context, Cloughie liked to spend money and he got his slice of the deal too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 HMFC had people like Bobby Parker on the committee at the club. Guys who couldn't run a village fair and who got the club relegated after running it into the ground for years. I doubt Mackay would have done much at Hearts - the club was in terminal decline following the departure of Alex Young. My old man used to say the club died after Mackay left. He didn't go to a game for 6 years after Young had gone. Clough was spending BIG money at Derby (and latterly at Forest) that the club simply didn't have. Signing Mackay for Derby was important but in context, Cloughie liked to spend money and he got his slice of the deal too. Not going to disagree entirely, but I cannot think of "big money" at Derby. I'm thinking, his signings were good players CFarlane, Todd, MacKay, McGovern). Read the book and loved it, was bit feeling of dread for the film, but they did it brilliantly. Sheen was great as Clough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 A pal of mine , who has been in Gorgie Suite for matches, albeit a Celtic fan , played Dave Mackay . Done well I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 On now and yes we've been mentioned a couple of times re Dave MacKay I wonder what would have happened if we had completed the deal to bring him in as player/manager way back then Just watched Davie turn Bobby Charlton inside out in a classic Spurs v Man U. FT 5-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizla Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Very good acting by Sheen and excellent film We all love Leeds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Very good acting by Sheen and excellent film We all love Leeds! And just a small point people forget. Despite the madness of that period at Leeds the team reached the European Cup final at the end of the season losing a game to Bayern Munich that could have gone either way. All downhill after that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizla Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Leeds fans still talk about that final. What a team they had in the late 60's early 70's. Desperately need to get back up to the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 His Mrs said it's total rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 His Mrs said it's total rubbish. I think that was about the portrayal of alcoholism. Johnny Giles one his big opponents at the club at the time said Clough did not let drink affect him at that time. A few compensation claims were paid and some changes to film too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Not going to disagree entirely, but I cannot think of "big money" at Derby. I'm thinking, his signings were good players CFarlane, Todd, MacKay, McGovern). Read the book and loved it, was bit feeling of dread for the film, but they did it brilliantly. Sheen was great as Clough. Clough reminds me of a Fergie type character. Once he saw a player he wanted, he'd do anything to get him and if it meant parting with serious cash then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Pizzorno Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Clough and Taylor did not speak for 8 years until Taylor's sudden death. Clough always regretted this, really sad after what Taylor had done for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 That's a good film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 To win the then English 1st division on a pitch the state Derby's was at the time was some achievement. It really was just mud with a few blades of grass scattered here and there. Clough needed Taylor. Taylor not so much clough. Taylor had the footballing brain, Clough the motivation and man management skills. If Taylor had been with him at Leeds he would have lasted a lot longer than 44 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 And just a small point people forget. Despite the madness of that period at Leeds the team reached the European Cup final at the end of the season losing a game to Bayern Munich that could have gone either way. All downhill after that though. "Gone either way" is rather kind. Franz "cheating *******" Beckenbauer and a disgrace of a referee won that final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 And just a small point people forget. Despite the madness of that period at Leeds the team reached the European Cup final at the end of the season losing a game to Bayern Munich that could have gone either way. All downhill after that though. Went to read about that year's European Cup on Wikipedia. Ruch Chorzow, Ararat Yerevan and Atvidaberg all made the quarter finals. Changed days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Went to read about that year's European Cup on Wikipedia. Ruch Chorzow, Ararat Yerevan and Atvidaberg all made the quarter finals. Changed days. One entry per country (league winners) and current holders. Just a ****ing cartel now, ****ing hate it. Dundee United coming so close to the final in the 80's, cheated out by a bought referee. Was it 86? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 One entry per country (league winners) and current holders. Just a ******* cartel now, ******* hate it. Dundee United coming so close to the final in the 80's, cheated out by a bought referee. Was it 86? 1984 v Roma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Not going to disagree entirely, but I cannot think of "big money" at Derby. I'm thinking, his signings were good players CFarlane, Todd, MacKay, McGovern). Read the book and loved it, was bit feeling of dread for the film, but they did it brilliantly. Sheen was great as Clough. Just to clarify what I'm saying : he offered money and wages for/to players that the chairman often had no prior knowledge of. He spent crazy money for Trevor Francis and Shilton was on massive wages (Clough knew about his gambling issues at the time). He was also partial to a bung - Celtic paid him ?100K in cash for Provan's testimonial. When Clough wanted something he got it and he didn't let chairmen get in his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Dave Mackay is on that list of the ones that got away from Hearts. Maybe just maybe he could have reversed the decline of the club at that time. He did win the league with Derby which kind of happened under the radar with most focus on Leeds, Clough and an emerging Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 His managerial career did nosedive a bit mid 70s anyway but made a fortune working in the middke east. We wanted him as player/manager at the time we were interested. As a player even an overweight and older Dave Mackay would have made a huge difference in many ways to our late 60s team imo. We will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oi oi Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Brilliant book and great movie but remember that a lot of it is fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 His managerial career did nosedive a bit mid 70s anyway but made a fortune working in the middke east. We wanted him as player/manager at the time we were interested. As a player even an overweight and older Dave Mackay would have made a huge difference in many ways to our late 60s team imo. We will never know. Did we not approach him but got told we couldn't afford his services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Did we not approach him but got told we couldn't afford his services? Apparently agreed to come but Clough nipped in before he signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Did we not approach him but got told we couldn't afford his services? He agreed in principal to come,then he got a better offer from Clough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 He agreed in principal to come,then he got a better offer from Clough. In his autobiography he said he was worried anout supporters comparing him to when he played the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 He agreed in principal to come,then he got a better offer from Clough. He (clough) did an oldco, bought a player he couldn't afford in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Very good book but does make Clough out to be a bit of a psycho who is obsessed with Don Revie. No wonder the family werent happy with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 A pal of mine , who has been in Gorgie Suite for matches, albeit a Celtic fan , played Dave Mackay . Done well I thought. Brian McCardle from Carluke no less. Had many a conversation with him at Haymarket station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Very good book but does make Clough out to be a bit of a psycho who is obsessed with Don Revie. No wonder the family werent happy with it Having read three books on Clough, I can confirm 1. Not a psycho, but definitely a fruitloop. 2. Did hate Revie, maybe not obsessed, but certainly close. 3. Most definitely an alcoholic. Was a fictional book, but probably pretty close to the mark. I loved Clough, but glad I never met him. He could either be charming or downright obnoxious, very little in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Brian Clough is a huge hero of mine - maybe not the best manager of all time but certainly in the top one (copyright Old Big Ead himself). Anyway - came across this today, you need audio but its hilarious (IMO) albeit showing the more 'fruitloop, alcoholic' side mentioned above. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dean-saunders-reveals-epic-story-8755334 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I would recommend reading " Provided you don't kiss me" Its written by the sports editor of the local paper when Brian was manager. Its a warts and all account but very moving as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Anyway - came across this today, you need audio but its hilarious (IMO) albeit showing the more 'fruitloop, alcoholic' side mentioned above. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dean-saunders-reveals-epic-story-8755334 That's brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Brian Clough is a huge hero of mine - maybe not the best manager of all time but certainly in the top one (copyright Old Big Ead himself). Anyway - came across this today, you need audio but its hilarious (IMO) albeit showing the more 'fruitloop, alcoholic' side mentioned above. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dean-saunders-reveals-epic-story-8755334 Superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Brian Clough is a huge hero of mine - maybe not the best manager of all time but certainly in the top one (copyright Old Big Ead himself). Anyway - came across this today, you need audio but its hilarious (IMO) albeit showing the more 'fruitloop, alcoholic' side mentioned above. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dean-saunders-reveals-epic-story-8755334 Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Brian McCardle from Carluke no less. Had many a conversation with him at Haymarket station. The one and only lol... he's off the bevy these days so no point in inviting him ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 An alternative version of the Dean Saunders story: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/07/brian-clough-dean-saunders-nottingham-forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Comedy stuff from Dean Saunders - but almost certainly lies: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/07/brian-clough-dean-saunders-nottingham-forest Sorry didn't see Buffalo's post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Comedy stuff from Dean Saunders - but almost certainly lies:https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/07/brian-clough-dean-saunders-nottingham-forest Sorry didn't see Buffalo's post Why "almost certainly lies"? Just because Hill stays loyal to an old pal and says it never happened. I'll leave myself into the bit in between, well into the Saunders side of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 At the risk of turning this into a Brian Clough video thread (there's loads on YouTube), check this one out, where he takes a few minutes to rip John Motson and the rest of Match of The Day. Entertaining stuff :-) https://youtu.be/oqAZsoF-ghw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 An alternative version of the Dean Saunders story: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/07/brian-clough-dean-saunders-nottingham-forest Really disappointed with Dean Saunders. I remember hearing this believing it was true but not thinking anything bad towards Brian Clough. It's a tremendous story. If it exaggerated/not true only reflects bad on Saunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Pretty shitty stuff from Saunders by the looks of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Don't get me wrong, the Saunders story is funny as ****, but it's worth pointing out that it was most probably a lot of bollocks. Old Big 'ead was brilliant enough without stories being made up about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 At the risk of turning this into a Brian Clough video thread (there's loads on YouTube), check this one out, where he takes a few minutes to rip John Motson and the rest of Match of The Day. Entertaining stuff :-) he was ahead of his time in many ways. In particular his warning of the saturation of football on TV and the rise of the pundit adding no value! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I've never seen the film, heard good things. Wasn't that much of a fan of the book though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Fringe show at Pleasance Courtyard from 2-28 August Red Ladder Theatre Company in association with Unity Theatre Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Why "almost certainly lies"? Just because Hill stays loyal to an old pal and says it never happened. I'll leave myself into the bit in between, well into the Saunders side of the story. Draw your own conclusion from the fact that when the Guardian challenged him on it, Saunders declined to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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