Murray ...what a diver

[rayzor58]

As the title says ...what a diving cheat.....twice in 1st half he's went over without being touched.....let him go to the vermin hobos.....their class of playwr

 

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[Jeff]

Imrie just as bad up the other end

[kingantti1874]

Wish he got it nth.. can't stand Hamilton.

[Manny1874]

The whole game is littered with players trying to con the ref. Pretty standard behaviour from Accies.

 

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[Jambof3tornado]

Imrie just as bad up the other end

And donati and no3 and the rest of them.

 

Cheats.

[Jeff]

And donati and no3 and the rest of them.

 

Cheats.

Number 3 tried a belter at tynecastle and got torn to shreds for it. Good times

[Dunks]

[Jamdub]

Absolutely brutal game, still hope Hamilton and their horrible pitch and their durty team get relegated.

[amadjambo]

Imrie just as bad up the other end

Not sure there's a player in the country I despise more than this wee rodent.

[rayzor58]

Sent off for simulation. ....says it all....

 

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[tian447]

Seemed a pretty clear penalty for his red card.

 

Probably didn't help himself by taking an Olympic style Swan dive though.

[Fort Vallance]

Not sure there's a player in the country I despise more than this wee rodent.

Ditto.

[Elshin]

Seemed a pretty clear penalty for his red card.

 

Probably didn't help himself by taking an Olympic style Swan dive though.

The 2nd was a clear penalty.

 

But after the first half swan dive where he was booked he put doubt in the refs mind. I have no sympathy for him as he had already tried to con the ref.

 

 

 

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[The Internet]

Never understood the clamour on here to sign him. He's not shite, but has never looked particularly good to me either.

[DETTY29]

Appears he is free to play as long as United appeal by Friday.

 

Not because of chance of winning the appeal but process and timing.

 

So if he had got angry at the sending off and lamped the referee, be could appeal and still play on Sunday.

[Nookie Bear]

The 2nd was a clear penalty.

But after the first half swan dive where he was booked he put doubt in the refs mind. I have no sympathy for him as he had already tried to con the ref.

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So, if you get booked for diving you should never get awarded a stonewall penalty?

 

It was an appalling decision.

[Elshin]

So, if you get booked for diving you should never get awarded a stonewall penalty?

 

It was an appalling decision.

No. But once you have blatantly dived you put doubt in the refs mind for future desicions which clearly happened last night.

 

For the 2nd booking, even after contact on the left knee he then throws both arms in the hair and lifts the right leg up, he made the most of the contact which imo made him look like he could of been diving again.

 

In these situations the refs can't win when only having a split second to make decisions when players are constantly throwing themselves about whether there is contact or not.

 

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[Big Moysey]

Disagree. Our standard of linesman/asst ref is shockingly bad. We see it week in week out. Last night ref went to give the penalty but checked with lino. He then decided it was a dive. Result a totally wrong decision that could cost United dearly (by all accounts could face receivership).

The sad thing is these officials are untouchable, don't need to justify decisions and are not held to account when make very poor ones like last night.

[Maroon Sailor]

So, if you get booked for diving you should never get awarded a stonewall penalty?

It was an appalling decision.

Depends which way you look at it

 

I think it was appalling the way he dived in the first half and I think it was appalling to throw himself up in the air and whilst midair was looking over at the linesman to make sure he was watching. Tell tale sign if ever there was one.

 

Why not just go down after the contact and get your penalty.

 

No sympathy for the guy.

[LogicalEric]

Done deal to Hibs for Murray apparently

[Nookie Bear]

No. But once you have blatantly dived you put doubt in the refs mind for future desicions which clearly happened last night.

 

For the 2nd booking, even after contact on the left knee he then throws both arms in the hair and lifts the right leg up, he made the most of the contact which imo made him look like he could of been diving again.

 

In these situations the refs can't win when only having a split second to make decisions when players are constantly throwing themselves about whether there is contact or not.

 

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I totally get that, which suggests referees deal with a situation based on the reputation of the player, rather than the incident itself.

 

That's human nature but leads to situations like last night (or the fact certain players appear to get away with murder).

[Maroon Sailor]

Done deal to Hibs for Murray apparently

Springboard sales will go through the roof in Leith

[The Treasurer]

So, if you get booked for diving you should never get awarded a stonewall penalty?

 

It was an appalling decision.

Think we all agree it was a shocking decision but it goes to prove that once a player gets a "reputation" then referees will base their calls on what they think rather than what they see.

[DS98]

Disagree. Our standard of linesman/asst ref is shockingly bad. We see it week in week out. Last night ref went to give the penalty but checked with lino. He then decided it was a dive. Result a totally wrong decision that could cost United dearly (by all accounts could face receivership).

The sad thing is these officials are untouchable, don't need to justify decisions and are not held to account when make very poor ones like last night.

On first viewing I bet most people thought it was a dive.

 

I'm going to sound like a referee sympathiser but for being such a small nation, our officials constantly punch above their weight and are regularly at world cups/ euros/ champions league.

 

Yes they do have to justify their decisions and they are held to account. Just because we don't hear of it in pish like the daily record doesn't mean the officials don't get reprimanded. I doubt we'll see the assistant in a top flight televised game again for a long time.

 

Although it was a foul, it was another embarrassing dive from the ginger lad. Getting a wee kick on the shin doesn't make you throw your arms up and fly through the air.

[JJ1984]

Think we all agree it was a shocking decision but it goes to prove that once a player gets a "reputation" then referees will base their calls on what they think rather than what they see.

Yep. See Jamie Walker for example.

[Maroon Sailor]

Think we all agree it was a shocking decision but it goes to prove that once a player gets a "reputation" then referees will base their calls on what they think rather than what they see.

TBF to the ref last night, he went with his linesman's call.

 

If someone (compulsive diver like Murray) went flying through the air and was making sure I was watching I'd be a little bit suss about contact as well.

[King prawn]

Think we all agree it was a shocking decision but it goes to prove that once a player gets a "reputation" then referees will base their calls on what they think rather than what they see.

Yup. Sometimes deservedly such as Neymar imo.

[maroonnicky63]

Yup shocking , never seen a hearts player doing that.

[ToadKiller Dog]

A good player will prosper with the right manager to control his waywardness which won't be sugar puff teeth .

He would be better staying at United .

 

Only other Arab worth a 2nd look would be Spittal .

[Kirky Jambo]

While his lino may be more to blame here, Steven McLean is an absolutely shocking referee who seems to get away with being consistently poor. Should be nowhere near the play off final.

[TurboT]

Just watched Sportscene. First booking, yellow card correct decision, shocking dive.

 

Second one, disgraceful decision from the ref and shows that refs/assistants have pre conceived perceptions and don't call each incident as they see it.

 

That decision could cost Utd their place in the Premiership losing them millions.

 

 

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[mrcrisps]

Second booking was the player's own doing. Enough contact for a pen, but then threw himself up in the air like he had been hit by a car and made it look like simulation. Look at the non-contact leg movement! What chance do the officials have?

[HillmanHearts]

Second booking was the player's own doing. Enough contact for a pen, but then threw himself up in the air like he had been hit by a car and made it look like simulation. Look at the non-contact leg movement! What chance do the officials have?

. That's what I thought too. The TV Panel seemed to ignore that.

[Guess The Crowd]

Second booking was the player's own doing. Enough contact for a pen, but then threw himself up in the air like he had been hit by a car and made it look like simulation. Look at the non-contact leg movement! What chance do the officials have?

Completely agree. And, of course, the BT Sports 'experts' have seen in 20 times by the time they castigate the referee at the end

[Maroon Sailor]

mrcrisps nails it

[the big show]

Second booking was the player's own doing. Enough contact for a pen, but then threw himself up in the air like he had been hit by a car and made it look like simulation. Look at the non-contact leg movement! What chance do the officials have?

Until they give out heavier punishments for blatant cheating sadly there is not a lot going to change , Teams have being doing it for years and a lot get away with it more than others as seen here in Scotland and also world over , Another thing that i have noticed for years is some of ie your bigger Teams claim for everything be it there decision or not and a lot of times get the decision going for them , However if you don't claim you don't get and if you can't beat them at it join them is what i say because although there are Teams that will stoop to any lengths to gain a advantage there is also some really bad refs ..  Second decision is a shocking decision by the ref but this guy has previous for diving and it has obviously went against him , His theatrics just made it worse .. i'm all for video refs etc but they have to be consistent ..

[DETTY29]

Second booking was the player's own doing. Enough contact for a pen, but then threw himself up in the air like he had been hit by a car and made it look like simulation. Look at the non-contact leg movement! What chance do the officials have?

I feel the criticism of the match officials is really harsh.

 

Due to Murray's action at the incident alone, it was understandable they thought he had simulated to gain an advantage.

 

Calls of the decision being appalling are way off the mark.

[Maroon Sailor]

I feel the criticism of the match officials is really harsh.

Due to Murray's action at the incident alone, it was understandable they thought he had simulated to gain an advantage.

Calls of the decision being appalling are way off the mark.

Absolutely

[the big show]

I feel the criticism of the match officials is really harsh.

 

Due to Murray's action at the incident alone, it was understandable they thought he had simulated to gain an advantage.

 

Calls of the decision being appalling are way off the mark.

  IT does not take away from the fact it was the wrong decision though , yes he has previous for it , yes there was theatrics etc etc but like i said in my post until they start handing out heavier punishments for blatant cheating it is always going to happen , yes i'm or for video replays to give refs a better chance etc but like i said they need to be consistent ...

[DETTY29]

Absolutely

And what doesn't help the referees is this stupid Independent Tribunal that over rules clear red card offences like Brown's lunge at Ross County or the Head of Referees recommendation that incidents like Boyd's 'head butt intent' or Keirnan's 'punch intent' that are deemed violent contact under FIFA laws of the game should be over turned.

[avhudtheteeshirt]

This theatrics thing is not against the rules?

 

If he was fouled in the box and never went down, he would be titled a honest laddie?

 

He was fouled but went down as if shot, where in the rules does it say you can't do that?

 

In this case if he did the honest laddie, it could cost his team promotion, he was fouled and was deemed to dive and it still could cost his team promotion?

 

So, with either scenario Dundee United lose out, so it has to come down to the officials at the game, why did they make their decision the way they did?

 

If it was because he is renowned for diving, then they are not refereeing the game correctly, they are prejudging decisions rather than taking each decision on merit!

 

As we well know Beaton did Walker at Ibrox when he was not even looking at the incident, it then gets rescinded but you could already have lost the game.

 

Video refereeing is still the only way to go, but prohibitive cost keeps it away from Scottish Football!!!!! 

[Jeff]

This theatrics thing is not against the rules?

 

If he was fouled in the box and never went down, he would be titled a honest laddie?

 

He was fouled but went down as if shot, where in the rules does it say you can't do that?

 

In this case if he did the honest laddie, it could cost his team promotion, he was fouled and was deemed to dive and it still could cost his team promotion?

 

So, with either scenario Dundee United lose out, so it has to come down to the officials at the game, why did they make their decision the way they did?

 

If it was because he is renowned for diving, then they are not refereeing the game correctly, they are prejudging decisions rather than taking each decision on merit!

 

As we well know Beaton did Walker at Ibrox when he was not even looking at the incident, it then gets rescinded but you could already have lost the game.

 

Video refereeing is still the only way to go, but prohibitive cost keeps it away from Scottish Football!!!!!

If you are throwing yourself in the box then I'd be thinking the contact was minimal and nit enough to justify a foul. Hes trying to con the ref into thinking he has been wiped out. There will always be contact but not every touch is a foul.

[Maroon Sailor]

He was booked for simulation on both occasions

 

Theatrics might not be in the rules, but there is clear guidance that simulation is a bookable offence.

 

If people are happy to have players simulate dives in order to win penalties fair enough.

 

Might just be against Hearts though

[TurboT]

This theatrics thing is not against the rules?

 

If he was fouled in the box and never went down, he would be titled a honest laddie?

 

He was fouled but went down as if shot, where in the rules does it say you can't do that?

 

In this case if he did the honest laddie, it could cost his team promotion, he was fouled and was deemed to dive and it still could cost his team promotion?

 

So, with either scenario Dundee United lose out, so it has to come down to the officials at the game, why did they make their decision the way they did?

 

If it was because he is renowned for diving, then they are not refereeing the game correctly, they are prejudging decisions rather than taking each decision on merit!

 

As we well know Beaton did Walker at Ibrox when he was not even looking at the incident, it then gets rescinded but you could already have lost the game.

 

Video refereeing is still the only way to go, but prohibitive cost keeps it away from Scottish Football!!!!!

Spot on

 

The referee originally motioned as if he was going to give a penalty, then it looked like him or his assistant noticed it was Murray again so it's no longer a penalty because he's dived before.

 

Players do go down to easily these days, however, it's because referees won't give a penalty unless they do down. Outside the box and refs will give free kicks but inside the box is often different.

 

 

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