tcjambo Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Didn't do Hibs any harm in last years Semi. Jack is a bag of nerves just now, whether it be cross balls or kicking.Tough call as Noring hasn't started any competitive games but he should be right up to prove a point so on balance I an a convert to him starting. Also it would puncture one of Hibs tactics of targeting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julienbrellier Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 After reading some of this I am so glad Cathro is picking the team me too. some people are actually playing Cowie as first choice, beggers belief. Most have picked our strongest team and the one that will start on Wed. Need to go two up front. Hamilton the usual 4 at the back Djoum Tziolis Kitchen Walker Isma Johnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 me too. some people are actually playing Cowie as first choice, beggers belief. Most have picked our strongest team and the one that will start on Wed. Need to go two up front. Hamilton the usual 4 at the back Djoum Tziolis Kitchen Walker Isma Johnsen Djoum on the right (or left) never, ever works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-fletch Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 4231 for me with with the usual back 5, tziolis and kitchen in the middle, walker and goncalves wide with djoum supporting Johnson! 2-0 Hearts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hamilton Struna Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Walker Kitchen Tziolis Choulay Djoum Goncalves Still think the tactics in the first game were more or less OK, but Martin dropped too deep and wanted too long on the ball, leaving Isma isolated. Going for Choulay over Nicholson as Sam's been out for a while and looked pretty ineffective in the first game, but I don't really mind who starts as long as we play with a bit of width. Tziolis is class. I know he sometimes wants to slow the game down a bit too much, but his reading of the game's far better than anyone else we have. He has to play, but Kitchen should be alongside him to battle against Bartley and Fyvie and to make sure we aren't outmatched in midfield. Djoum should be dropping in to help too when we don't have the ball. Now is not the time for a debutant keeper. I'd leave the back four unchanged. I don't think there's much between Sowah and Rherras, but Sowah being left-footed gives us a bit more balance. Hibs looked more or less unchanged on Saturday from the first game (apart from Forster being out injured and Graham in for Holt). I'm assuming Holt will start on Wed and that it'll be basically the same team as the first game, though I think they'll try to play a bit more football this time. If that's the case, the key things are stopping the full-backs getting forward and winning the midfield battle. We have the better players. We should be looking to control the game. Good point about Hamilton I suppose, he just looks uneasy as if he has lost confidence and perhaps all the pass backs don't help, insisting on playing from the back ie roll the ball out or pass it out short. IMO if you are playing isma and Johnsen there is nothing wrong with the occasional high ball but johnsen needs to win the ball in the air as mcgregor beat him mostly all the time at tyncastle he needs to learn to jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Just ask each and everyone of them a simple question Do you want it , really really want to beat hibs ? Any hesitation your not playing , Derby day is a battle ,win that then you can go and show off the skills , but win that ****ing battle first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I'd play the Winning tactic, heard about it lots, dunno why teams don't use it more tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 me too. some people are actually playing Cowie as first choice, beggers belief. Most have picked our strongest team and the one that will start on Wed. Need to go two up front. Hamilton the usual 4 at the back Djoum Tziolis Kitchen Walker Isma Johnsen i think the best Cowie can hope for would be a seat on the bench m8 , never trained last week and i would be surprised if he is a starter although you never no if he is back training this week which i don't no . ps the team you have picked here is the team i would go with . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hamilton StrunaHughesAvlonitisRherras KitchenNovak DjoumWalkerGoncalves Johnsen Wont be a popular opinion to drop Tziolis but to me he just isn't the kind of player we can afford to carry as a passenger in this match. Kitchen had a good game on Saturday and I liked Nowak v rangers. As much as we all want to play great football, Hibs WILL turn this into a battle so I hope we stick Kitchen and Nowak in the centre and allow the forward 4 to attack with more freedom if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hamilton Struna Hughes Avlonitis Rherras Kitchen Novak Djoum Walker Goncalves Johnsen Wont be a popular opinion to drop Tziolis but to me he just isn't the kind of player we can afford to carry as a passenger in this match. Kitchen had a good game on Saturday and I liked Nowak v rangers. As much as we all want to play great football, Hibs WILL turn this into a battle so I hope we stick Kitchen and Nowak in the centre and allow the forward 4 to attack with more freedom if possible. I agree and I thought the same with Cowie replacing tzolis, however given hibs choice to shell diagnol balls, Novak isn't a bad shout. Novak for his Ariel ability or cowie for his energy over the class of tzolis. Tzolis to come on after about an hour, once the game has slowed a little, he'll be fresh and should find space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Just ask each and everyone of them a simple question Do you want it , really really want to beat hibs ? Any hesitation your not playing , Derby day is a battle ,win that then you can go and show off the skills , but win that ******* battle first Do the team talk will you please? Perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Im honestly baffled that folk wouldn't play Perry Kitchen in this match, he is exactly what we needed in the first tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Not much Martin love on here guys. Do people already not rate this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hopefully Cowie is nowhere near the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He Who Cannot Be Named Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Cowie, Johnson, Nicholson, Choulay and Martin. Pick one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hopefully Cowie is nowhere near the team. why ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Not much Martin love on here guys. Do people already not rate this guy? Think it will take him time to adjust , he expects far to much time on the ball and he will never get it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo1874 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Think it will take him time to adjust , he expects far to much time on the ball and he will never get it hereWhere I'm at really. Hopefully he'll get up to speed with our game but not for Wednesday. Maybe as a sub bit that would mean we're chasing the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 why ?? He hides in to many games for me and we have better options available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Did you not just complain about people personalising criticism? I was responding directly to the same individual Is that OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I would go with Hamilton Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Struna Rherras Djoum Tziolis Walker Isma Johnsen An attacking 352 and push them from the off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I would go with Hamilton Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Struna Rherras Djoum Tziolis Walker Isma Johnsen An attacking 352 and push them from the off Playing 2 left backs at Easter Road. IS that you Robbie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolio Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 We have to play with two strikers. 4-1-3-2 Hamilton Struna Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Tziolis Kitchen Djoum Walker Isma Johnsen Can become a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 with Goncalves moving too the right and Walker going wide left if we want to stretch them or exploit any space left by Gray and Stevenson going forward. I just don't want Isma isolated up front on his own with Bartley in front of him blocking any passes into him. Playing alongside Johnsen will leave him free to find space with Johnsen still occupying the Hibs CB' s. Bigger, wider pitch, Hibs will have to come out and play, we should try and control the game patiently and make Hibs Chase it. This totally works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I would go with Hamilton Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Struna Rherras Djoum Tziolis Walker Isma Johnsen An attacking 352 and push them from the off Rherras won't be playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Johnsen will play. We struggled last Sunday as we had no out ball and no one to hold the ball up and play off isma. Isma needs service and feeds off little flicks and knock downs etc, Johnsen alongside him will help that. I'd play Djoum in behind them with Walker and choulay wide. Kitchen and the Greek boy in the middle. Usual back 4 and Hamilton. We need width. We never laid a glove on gray or Stevenson. Stevenson especially is their weak link. We need walker and Struna running at him and going by each other. Same on the other side. I'd like to see Kitchen and or the Greek boy put one on Bartley straight away. A good clean tackle but set the tone. Bartley is the key for me. Take him out the game and Hibs have nothing and no one in their that can stop us playing. Don't be silly to think Hibs aren't a threat. Cummings, Keatings and McGinn are all capable of producing something from nothing but by taking their protection away in Bartley, will open up the game for us. Walker needs to show up. When he clicks, we click. I'd also like Hamilton to stop being passed the ball. He's not strong enough on it to be the sweeper keeper. Laces through it and get it out the danger area. Pissing about trying to be fancy is going to cost us one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He Who Cannot Be Named Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Johnsen will play. We struggled last Sunday as we had no out ball and no one to hold the ball up and play off isma. Isma needs service and feeds off little flicks and knock downs etc, Johnsen alongside him will help that. I'd play Djoum in behind them with Walker and choulay wide. Kitchen and the Greek boy in the middle. Usual back 4 and Hamilton. We need width. We never laid a glove on gray or Stevenson. Stevenson especially is their weak link. We need walker and Struna running at him and going by each other. Same on the other side. I'd like to see Kitchen and or the Greek boy put one on Bartley straight away. A good clean tackle but set the tone. Bartley is the key for me. Take him out the game and Hibs have nothing and no one in their that can stop us playing. Don't be silly to think Hibs aren't a threat. Cummings, Keatings and McGinn are all capable of producing something from nothing but by taking their protection away in Bartley, will open up the game for us. Walker needs to show up. When he clicks, we click. I'd also like Hamilton to stop being passed the ball. He's not strong enough on it to be the sweeper keeper. Laces through it and get it out the danger area. Pissing about trying to be fancy is going to cost us one day. Unfortunately we won't be allowed to play with 12 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Unfortunately we won't be allowed to play with 12 players. Am not going then hahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Playing 2 left backs at Easter Road. IS that you Robbie? Ironically that is my name, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Unfortunately we won't be allowed to play with 12 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hamilton Struna Hughes Tsos Sowah Kitchen Tziolis Djoum Walker Isma Johnson Pull the back 4 about and try and create space for Isma. Let Walker drift about and swap with Johnson if needed - I doubt walker is going to get much out of Gray so would target players running at Stevenson. Would also target Bartley if he starts. Guy is an accident waiting to happen with his fouls. If he goes onto a booking he's ****ed. If Kitchen can man mark Cummings we've stopped them scoring. so it just becomes breaking them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincon Premier Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I would have any combination of Walker, Cowie, Martin, Djoum with Currie, Goncalves up front. Then bring on Johnsen or Beith after 60 minutes. Any mix of these players should start but we need two up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 We seriously lacked width at ER last season in the first half, which allowed their full backs to push right up and cause havoc. Hope we've learnt from this. 2 wide men is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkiJambo Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 . Hamilton Struna Avlonitis Hughes Rheres. Tziolis . Kitchen Djoum. Walker. Johnsen Isma width coming from the full backs. Perry needs to have a good game pressing high up the park with Djoum picking up his scraps and creating play for the 3 forward players. Need to win the midfield and the second balls. When we are required to be defensive Tziolis needs to step in to make it mid 3 leaving plenty options for fast counter attacking options. We played well on Sat just couldent get the ball in the back of the net. Will be close but going 0-2 HMFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambog Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 We seriously lacked width at ER last season in the first half, which allowed their full backs to push right up and cause havoc. Hope we've learnt from this. 2 wide men is a must. Agreed. We need to get their full backs going backwards. It's the only area they get any width from. I think Cathro got it right in the first game by playing 2 wide men . They are a decent back 4 but they do lack pace Hopefully this time we can get at them more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewHearts Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 We seriously lacked width at ER last season in the first half, which allowed their full backs to push right up and cause havoc. Hope we've learnt from this. 2 wide men is a must. Yep, the start to the game last year was chronic. Need to start with a tempo and a purpose. Agree regards the 2 wide men! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Noring Struna Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Tziolis Djoum Martin Cowie Isma Walker I think pairing Walker up with Isma could be dynamite. Cowie's the main man for (expected) assists so would have him sitting in just behind. Plenty of presence in the midfield with Djoum and Martin being the outlets for Tziolis. Strategy: War of attrition. Tactics: Win the physical fight first and foremost; use our quality to wear down opposition with crisp passing around the midfield. Battles with opposite numbers to be won individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Noring Struna Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Tziolis Djoum Martin Cowie Isma Walker I think pairing Walker up with Isma could be dynamite. Cowie's the main man for (expected) assists so would have him sitting in just behind. Plenty of presence in the midfield with Djoum and Martin being the outlets for Tziolis. Strategy: War of attrition. Tactics: Win the physical fight first and foremost; use our quality to wear down opposition with crisp passing around the midfield. Battles with opposite numbers to be won individually. No width = trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighenry Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I thought Martin hindered us in the first game, giving so many needless fouls away! Maybe more suited to the game later when it slows down a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 We seriously lacked width at ER last season in the first half, which allowed their full backs to push right up and cause havoc. Hope we've learnt from this. 2 wide men is a must.I'm still having nightmares about it now. Awful stuff. They had so much space wide you could drive 2 buses down there, nobody in a Hearts shirt closer than 15 yards from the right back for one cross, cleared it, 2 minutes later the same guy with the same amount of time & space to cross again - goal. We need to stretch them on Wed night, playing through the middle will play right into their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hamilton Struna Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Walker Djoum Tziolis Rherras Goncalves Johnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I'm still having nightmares about it now. Awful stuff. They had so much space wide you could drive 2 buses down there, nobody in a Hearts shirt closer than 15 yards from the right back for one cross, cleared it, 2 minutes later the same guy with the same amount of time & space to cross again - goal. We need to stretch them on Wed night, playing through the middle will play right into their hands. Yep. I was going mental before their goal, it was so bloody obvious what the problem was but we didn't address it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Wouldnt mind seeing a team similar to this but i very much doubt it will happen. Just run like **** at them. Sent from my E6553 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Can't understand the posters who are putting Rherras in, bad enough playing him at LB in preference to Sowah, but one or two sticking him in midfield, on the left! I'm in agreement with a few others - Saturday's starting line up, but with Walker in for Choulay, assuming no injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Yep. I was going mental before their goal, it was so bloody obvious what the problem was but we didn't address it.You & me both mate - I was doing my dinger. It was unreal eh. The goal came from a carbon copy of the 1st cross we managed to clear, we learned nothing & got punished. Never seen fullbacks have so much time & room to get forward in all my days. We need to pin them back this time, we have the personnel & skill to do so & could make life torture for them by using our width, with pace & power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewHearts Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 You & me both mate - I was doing my dinger. It was unreal eh. The goal came from a carbon copy of the 1st cross we managed to clear, we learned nothing & got punished. Never seen fullbacks have so much time & room to get forward in all my days. We need to pin them back this time, we have the personnel & skill to do so & could make life torture for them by using our width, with pace & power. Painful to watch. A big performance wednesday and all is forgiven . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julienbrellier Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I would go with Hamilton Avlonitis Hughes Sowah Struna Rherras Djoum Tziolis Walker Isma Johnsen An attacking 352 and push them from the off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonningtonJambo Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I know ill get slated for this but wednesday would off suited a conor sammon not for his quality but for his persistance work rate and to play the psysical game with bartley and there 2 centrebacks allowing djoum walker and isma more room instead of being fouled and bullied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Noring Struna Hughes Avlonitis Sowah Kitchen Cowie Walker Djoum Goncalves Johnsen As much as I hate slagging a young goalie, I don't know what Hamilton needs to do to get dropped. The back 4 has only conceded 4 goals in 2 games, one was a Hamilton flap they could do nothing about, so that's pretty good going. I think we badly missed Cowie and his running on saturday and he needs to start. I would also start Walker due to his goal threat and general play. I think Kitchen had a better game on Saturday including the assist for the goal. That means no place for Choulay and Tziolis. I'd play more of a 4-2-3-1 with Goncalves playing more of an inside left role and Walker, Cowie and Djoum all taking turns on the right or at 10 or sitting (Walker wouldn't sit, but would alternate between the other roles to mix things up). I'd have Nicholson as 1st sub and also have Tziolis on for Kitchen if we need a goal. Looking at them as a threat, I think the main consideration is Gray on the right. He needs to be watched. McGinn and Cummings are dangerous but they will be picked up by central players. We often get outflanked at ER. That could possibly mean Cowie or Djoum playing further to the left than I have than in my tactics above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'd start Choulay instead of Walker, or play both of them with only Goncalves up front, and pack the midfield to snuff them out. I'd also put Kitchen on Bartley to nullify that gimp, and the rest will take care of itself! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Why would you man mark their worst ball playing midfielder? He doesn't create anything he breaks up play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave McCreery's knee Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hamilton Struna Hughes Avlonitis Sowah Nowak Kitchen Tziolis Djoum. Walker Goncalves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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