Jump to content

Oliver Burke


Bring Back Paulo Sergio

Recommended Posts

Bring Back Paulo Sergio

After setting up a goal when he came on last week he's only went and scored on his first start within 5 minutes.

 

A very exciting prospect for the national team.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Rudi5kaceldream1ng

Wow...uber excited about this chap for Scotland (no pun).

 

If he's making such a quick & big impact in the world class technical level of the bundesliga it's fair to say Scotland could actually have a world class player finally. Very positive stuff...could he be our bale that takes us to a big finals?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The guy has made it by being untouched by the SFA youth system

Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told.

 

Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

chester copperpot

The guy has made it by being untouched by the SFA youth system

 

Bingo. Actually quite funny if it didnt make me so sad that my job means I am most likely pissing into the wind the next 4 years!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

jamboinglasgow

Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told.

 

Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation.

 

does it? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Siphiwe Tshabalala

Bingo. Actually quite funny if it didnt make me so sad that my job means I am most likely pissing into the wind the next 4 years!

 

Whats your job?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The White Cockade

Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told.

 

Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation.

nah

born in Kirkcaldy but brought up in England for most of his life

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not even Strachan would omit him from the starting lineup. Would he? 

 

Got my ticket for the Lithuania game, so looking forward to seeing him play. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Lovely finish.

Bit lucky with deflection, but he started the move and his movement to see the gap and attack it, was brilliant.

 

Looks so powerful and purposeful.  And that isn't going to be coached out of him over there either which is brilliant!

 

So difficult not to get excited about him even though we all know it should be tempered!!!  Been a while since we had someone to be excitedd about!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told.

 

Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation.

There will always be different routes to top. Important that is recognised. Doesn't mean youth system is wrong. But being realistic, open and honest about how many places should be expected to come through that route would be good to hear.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Would appear so. Plucked from Fife to Nottingham when he was 15/16 years old and developed there. So I'm told.

 

Says a lot for the youth set up across the nation.

Signed for a team in Leicestershire when he was 8!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was under impression he has been with forest from age of 8 until 4 weeks ago

 

Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team..

 

Good can't wait till they go bust. Absolute scum.

 

I'm curious.. why that hatred of them..

 

Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support..

 

Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out..

 

The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams..

 

Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else..

 

I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How many fans do Red Bull get?

Average home league attendance in the league below was just under 30,000 last season. Not sure how many for the home games this season
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Average home league attendance in the league below was just under 30,000 last season. Not sure how many for the home games this season

 

I wonder who these people supported before. How can you just pluck 30,000 fans out eh. I assume the area was perhaps crying our for a team so in that case fair enough.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wonder who these people supported before. How can you just pluck 30,000 fans out eh. I assume the area was perhaps crying our for a team so in that case fair enough.

Looks like they found another 10,000 again this season as well, 2 home games have had about 42,000 at them :lol:
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Looks like they found another 10,000 again this season as well, 2 home games have had about 42,000 at them :lol:

 

 

It is all very American to me.  The least German thing I think I have ever heard.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Population of over 500,000 and didnt have a team anywhere near the top divisions so must be a lot of lapsed fans of smaller teams as well as newbies to get that many along

Link to comment
Share on other sites

nah

born in Kirkcaldy but brought up in England for most of his life

My mistake! I'd still argue his development is better than it would've been had he been with a Scottish club. The English sides seem to, from time to time, develop guys who are strong and skillful. Whereas in Scotland I'd argue we're lost a bit on what we want from our youth teams.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Signed for a team in Leicestershire when he was 8!

I won't be listening to my flat mate on the finer points of Ollie Burke again!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We_are_the_Hearts

My mistake! I'd still argue his development is better than it would've been had he been with a Scottish club. The English sides seem to, from time to time, develop guys who are strong and skillful. Whereas in Scotland I'd argue we're lost a bit on what we want from our youth teams.

Agree with this, our Pro Youth system isn't working. It's far too bloated. We need it to be more elitist and concentrate on producing stars. Let all the other kids build character and skills playing for the boys clubs. I've seen kids who are great players, pass and move, work hard for the team. Get picked up by PY and then get told to go out and do your own thing. They then spend most of the match having to go looking for the ball as no one passes it. They then become disillusioned as it goes against what they have been taught. The age cut offs are completely different to England. There is no 9-a-side transition. We are basically doing the same thing over and over again while getting the same results. I watched a game the other day and there were no outstanding defenders and no outstanding strikers. We are develpoing players who are all very similair

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Population of over 500,000 and didnt have a team anywhere near the top divisions so must be a lot of lapsed fans of smaller teams as well as newbies to get that many along

You could go further than that to be honest, Saxony in general has a population of around 4 million and until this season where Dynamo Dresden and Aue got promoted to the 2nd division only Leipzig was in the top 2 divisions of German football.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You could go further than that to be honest, Saxony in general has a population of around 4 million and until this season where Dynamo Dresden and Aue got promoted to the 2nd division only Leipzig was in the top 2 divisions of German football.

 

If I'm not mistaken

Aue is where Novikovas landed after he left us and they gave us a nice wee fee for compensation?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

RB Leipzig are a cancer in German football, everything I hate about the modern game rolled into a single package. Scumbags who have just bought clown fans to the detriment of the city's traditional clubs. After their sickening exercise in Salzburg I look forward to the day the parent company folds.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It is absolutely superb to see a young Scottish player looking like he will make it to the top - well overdue. I would love to see Ryan Gauld fulfill his potential, as well :) 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wonder what those same fans make of Hoffenheim and Wokfsburg

 

Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk

Hoffenheim are considered only slightly better, Dietmar Hopp is hated by most fans of the real clubs in Germany.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Siphiwe Tshabalala

Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team..

 

 

I'm curious.. why that hatred of them..

 

Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support..

 

Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out..

 

The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams..

 

Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else..

 

I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed..

Like yourself, I really don't see the problem?

 

It's been done time and time again?

 

Puzzling.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team..

 

 

I'm curious.. why that hatred of them..

 

Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support..

 

Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out..

 

The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams..

 

Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else..

 

I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed..

I think the objection is that people view Red Bull as buying teams essentially as a marketing ploy.

 

The other owners you mention are more likely in it simply to lavish cash on a club as a plaything. Perhaps to make money in the Glazers case.

 

I believe that is the crux of the issue motivating the dislike of them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah I'd heard he had been at Forest since he was 8 from a mate of mine who is a Forest fan.. actually kind of surprised he chose to play for Scotland when he probably could have waited and had a chance at the England team..

 

 

I'm curious.. why that hatred of them..

 

Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support..

 

Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out..

 

The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams..

 

Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else..

 

I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed..

I think the objection is that people view Red Bull as buying teams essentially as a marketing ploy.

 

The other owners you mention are more likely in it simply to lavish cash on a club as a plaything. Perhaps to make money in the Glazers case.

 

I believe that is the crux of the issue motivating the dislike of them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm curious.. why that hatred of them..

 

Red Bull bought a team.. built them a top notch stadium and training ground.. revitalised an area of East Germany that didn't have much in the way of a football team to support..

 

Put plenty of money in while taking nothing out..

 

The only problem people seem to have is that the club they bought had no history... otherwise how are they different to the Glazers (put none of their own money in), Abramovic (put his own money in, bought players, buying a new stadium), Man City's owners, PSG's owners and many others who have bought football teams..

 

Again the main issue is that they bought a team with no history (so what?) and that they put RasenBall in the name so they could get RB in.. again if the teams fans aren't complaining why should anyone else..

 

I'm seriously interested in what I might have missed..

They didn't build the stadium, that was a relic from germanys world cup iirc.

 

The team's a marketing exercise for red bull, a fairly odious company - Vorayuth Yoovidhya, the son of the owner, tried to have someone else framed when he ran over and killed a police officer, dragging his body 100 yards down the road. The officer involved in the framing is suspended and facing charges, while the son still hasn't faced charges 4 years later and hasn't even been showing up to meetings to "discuss the issue".

 

Anyway, Germany's particularly community orientated when it comes to football, they have the 50+1 rule for ownership to ensure clubs are run for the benefit of fans, and to avoid blatant commercialism.

 

There are exceptions like Wolfsburg who are owned by volkswagen, but they started out as a works team in a volkswagen town and have seven decades of history - they're grudgingly accepted.

 

Every step of the way Red Bull have shimmied round the rules - when the DVB insisted that the club be controlled by a fans group, they simply made membership fees so high that no normal fan could afford it and only a few well placed "independent" individuals were able to join.

 

There's been a lot of shenanigans in their short history, but the biggest issue is a private company creating a club and out spending everyone to buy titles and create value for their shareholders.

 

German football hates them, protesters blocked the team bus in Cologne on the weekend, and I imagine the same would happen here if Coca Cola created a club in Stirling with ridiculous funding and started dominating Scottish football. Also see Red Bull Salzburg in Austria, where they bought an existing club, changed the badge, colours, name and said "we're a new club with no history" before being forced to recognise the clubs past

 

It's all very depressing and a cancer that's spreading in the game. Red Bull Salzburg, New York Red Bulls and now RB Leipzig - sad days, the fans mean nothing, the corporate image is everything

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Rudi5kaceldream1ng

I don't think anyone is getting too carried away here. The reactions to the sudden arrival of Oliver Burke have been completely natural to seeing a 19 year old Scottish player score in the bundesliga on his full debut. You can see his raw talent, positivity & attitude;it's absolutely undeniable. He has made a telling impact in every single game I've seen him play for forest,Scotland and Leipzig. He's no Ryan gauld, Jack Harper or Islam feruz all anonymous in high level first team action.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.



×
×
  • Create New...