kimosavi Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon ineffective of late time to start with the big fella and see what he brings Hopefully he can finish Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I still rate Sammon. He works hard, wins aerial balls and spreads defence. The problems yesterday were not because of Sammon. Would be keen to try a Johnsen/Sammon pairing with Watt on the wing as he seems to prefer putting balls in than actually taking shots lately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Johnsen didn't exactly create anything yesterday while Sammon was involved in a number of chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon ineffective of late time to start with the big fella and see what he brings Hopefully he can finish Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk You know we started with Johnsen last week against St Johnstone? His performance was abysmal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Whilst sammon has improved his goalscoring has not. I'd move watt deeper behind a front 2 and give Johnsen and muirhead the gametime sammon has been given. Waste of time johnsen coming on so late yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I still rate Sammon. He works hard, wins aerial balls and spreads defence. The problems yesterday were not because of Sammon. Would be keen to try a Johnsen/Sammon pairing with Watt on the wing as he seems to prefer putting balls in than actually taking shots lately... Were you at Perth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Were you at Perth? Nah, had to make do with a couple mins of highlights/noise on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon has looked the more dangerous to me. He needs to start putting away the chances he gets though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Were you at Perth? I think the answer to that is obvious. Sammon at least has shots on goal. I don't remember Johnson having any yesterday, and am struggling to remember if he had any in Perth. I'd keep him on the bench for the time being, but he needs a good half hour when he does come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 You know we started with Johnsen last week against St Johnstone? His performance was abysmal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sammon was abysmal for his first few games. Nearly impossible for a new player to click straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon did ok yesterday. I've seen nothing from Johnsen to merit a place in the team. The one player who should get a run is Muirhead, simply for the reason he's left footed and our team is horrendously imbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon did ok yesterday. I've seen nothing from Johnsen to merit a place in the team. The one player who should get a run is Muirhead, simply for the reason he's left footed and our team is horrendously imbalanced. Having a left foot is not a reason for being included in the team. He is not as good as the players already playing so he shouldn't start imo. He doesn't look like the natural finisher we've been crying out for in the last couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon did ok yesterday. I've seen nothing from Johnsen to merit a place in the team. The one player who should get a run is Muirhead, simply for the reason he's left footed and our team is horrendously imbalanced. Decent shout. Muirhead seems to have a bit attitude about him when he comes on which I like. It is different starting a game though. It's easy to come on as a sub and look busy for the last 20 minutes , but from the start you are expected to lead the line every minute of the game. We won't know until he gets a chance of course but I feel Neilson won't be in a hurry to rest Sammon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Apart from the back heel against Caley he's done nothing to warrant a start. Sammon has been doing ok just needs to start putting his chances away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 No no no started last week st Johnstone looked out of his depth salmon looks faster and fitter than he was at the start of the season ,plus he's good at holding the ball up unlike johnsen just hasn't found his feet yet but given time I think he will be an asset to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I am not a fan of Sammon, but haven't really seen anything from Johnsen yet to suggest he should play ahead of him. Perhaps our best attacking combination could exclude both, for now. Not quite sure what that would be, though. Watt as the front man, Djoum behind, and Sam and Walker on the wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Apart from the back heel against Caley he's done nothing to warrant a start. Sammon has been doing ok just needs to start putting his chances away. Agree. Sammon does well and while he fell out the game a bit in the 2nd half it certainly wasn't entirely his fault. I found myself asking what we'd done in the first 20 mins of the 2nd half? There was just no creativeness through the middle or link up play. Nicholson hid out wide. Once that happens it's an even harder battle for a forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Having a left foot is not a reason for being included in the team. He is not as good as the players already playing so he shouldn't start imo. He doesn't look like the natural finisher we've been crying out for in the last couple of games. I wouldn't play him as a striker. I'd play him as a wide left player, giving Watt a free role in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I wouldn't play him as a striker. I'd play him as a wide left player, giving Watt a free role in the middle. Watt already appears to have a free role. Our problem isn't creating chances....it's taking them. I don't see how playing Muirhead left wing would make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Not seen anything from Johnson to merit a place over Sammon at this point. As GK mentioned Moorhead is due a run ahead of Bjorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I'd prefer changes are made earlier. Yesterday's starting is our best team for me with Walker out of form a bit. But you can see a second half slump with a bit of a lack of ideas. Liked that Watt played 90 minutes but could have changed it earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 We need another striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Watt already appears to have a free role. Our problem isn't creating chances....it's taking them. I don't see how playing Muirhead left wing would make any difference. Simply because teams funnel us onto the left wing on that side because neither Rherras nor the selected wide player have the ability to get in behind them. We are creating chances but how many are close to goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Simply because teams funnel us onto the left wing on that side because neither Rherras nor the selected wide player have the ability to get in behind them. We are creating chances but how many are close to goal? 20 minutes of Muirhead yesterday would have been a good option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Simply because teams funnel us onto the left wing on that side because neither Rherras nor the selected wide player have the ability to get in behind them. We are creating chances but how many are close to goal? Based on what performances in this area of the pitch have led you to think Muirhead is the answer to our very recent goalscoring issues ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think we are left with the realisation that we have not addressed the forward line goal scoring issue during the summer. Broken record from me again but we should have been on the ball with this and invested some of the Sow money on a Bosman. A player with that extra bit of quality (which goes a long way in this league) to put the ball in the net more often than not. Someone who at this level will be utterly ruthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think we are left with the realisation that we have not addressed the forward line goal scoring issue during the summer. Broken record from me again but we should have been on the ball with this and invested some of the Sow money on a Bosman. A player with that extra bit of quality (which goes a long way in this league) to put the ball in the net more often than not. Someone who at this level will be utterly ruthless. Like zeefuik? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Like zeefuik? I would have been setting the bar higher tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Based on what performances in this area of the pitch have led you to think Muirhead is the answer to our very recent goalscoring issues ? He can get beyond the right back and cut back for a player in the box. Sam had a great chance to do this second half yesterday but blazed over with an angled shot instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think we are left with the realisation that we have not addressed the forward line goal scoring issue during the summer. Broken record from me again but we should have been on the ball with this and invested some of the Sow money on a Bosman. A player with that extra bit of quality (which goes a long way in this league) to put the ball in the net more often than not. Someone who at this level will be utterly ruthless. Whilst I don't think there is a single person who would disagree with you.... Think this is easier said than done. These players don't exactly grown on trees and are often hugely expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon and watt upfront look a very decent partnership at this level The other 2 looked decent options to bring on now playing 1 upfront with watt in midfield/free role and it's all gone to f&&? quelle surprise - well done Robbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think we are left with the realisation that we have not addressed the forward line goal scoring issue during the summer. Broken record from me again but we should have been on the ball with this and invested some of the Sow money on a Bosman. A player with that extra bit of quality (which goes a long way in this league) to put the ball in the net more often than not. Someone who at this level will be utterly ruthless. Perhaps Johnsen is that player. Still very early days for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon > Johnson every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Whilst I don't think there is a single person who would disagree with you.... Think this is easier said than done. These players don't exactly grown on trees and are often hugely expensive. Have no doubt that this player would have cost a bit of money in wages - and I'm not talking about paying someone 8k a week. It should have been the priority when the club looked at things at the start of the year and what to bring in. The fact that we went with Sammon (who tries his hardest) who one season apart at Killie several years ago suggests that the club felt goals were not an issue up top or we got it badly wrong in judging what goals Sammon would bring to the team. Both scenarios dont have a happy ending come the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Perhaps Johnsen is that player. Still very early days for him. Absolutely. I dont see someone who is going to get the goals we crave from a forward but you are right in that its very early days for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon and watt upfront look a very decent partnership at this level The other 2 looked decent options to bring on now playing 1 upfront with watt in midfield/free role and it's all gone to f&&? quelle surprise - well done Robbie Yeah It's a different conversation with just a couple of chances taken. Tynecastle would have exploded yesterday with a late winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Yeah It's a different conversation with just a couple of chances taken. Tynecastle would have exploded yesterday with a late winner. firhill exploded too but it was still obvious watt was too deep (most of the time) the chance at Aberdeen that watt blazed over came about because he was up there supporting sammon yesterday sammon isolated a lot just like johnsrn last week the slightly less fickle will realise an individual win or loss doesn't necessarily mean good or bad longer term point is we don't know if Sammons went off the boil or whether cowie only has 3 good games in him a season because they are now effectively being asked to play totally different roles than they were when they had performed so well that sammon had won over some very strong boo-boys and cowie was being described as hartleyesque he has changed it and it hasn't worked like it almost never works when he tries to complicate things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Based on what performances in this area of the pitch have led you to think Muirhead is the answer to our very recent goalscoring issues ?I don't see Muirhead as the scorer. He could possibly be a part of the solution to creating better goalscoring chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Have no doubt that this player would have cost a bit of money in wages - and I'm not talking about paying someone 8k a week. It should have been the priority when the club looked at things at the start of the year and what to bring in. The fact that we went with Sammon (who tries his hardest) who one season apart at Killie several years ago suggests that the club felt goals were not an issue up top or we got it badly wrong in judging what goals Sammon would bring to the team. Both scenarios dont have a happy ending come the end of the season. Every team wants a 20 goal a season striker....I think only Celtic will have the players get that this season. They just aren't readily available....you need a fair bit of luck to get these guys in on our budget. Re Sammon Maybe we thought he'd aid the team in scoring goals rather than being the guy to get the goals. 2005/06 is was primarily the midfielders who get the bulk of the goals with Jankuaskas, Bednar, Pospisil and Elliot chipping in with a few. Anyway....as its stands we are the second top goalscorers in the league and conceded the least. If this scenario is still the case come April/May I would expect a very acceptable end to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I don't see Muirhead as the scorer. He could possibly be a part of the solution to creating better goalscoring chances. Possibly...... I'd wage he isn't the guy to create more chances from that position than we're already creating. He just doesn't seem that style of player to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Possibly...... I'd wage he isn't the guy to create more chances from that position than we're already creating. He just doesn't seem that style of player to me. That might be true as well. I'm saying there's nothing to lose in picking him ahead of Walker or Nicholson and trying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snedds76 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Early days but for me Johnson isn't going to offer much, we're a poacher short of being a very good team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Johnsen isnt ready to start. Watt and sammon have a good partnership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glottis Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 He's not done enough to justify a place. Muirhead has probably done more.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojock Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Why not play watt in midfield as he is doing, drop djoum and play sammon and johnsonn upfront ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 That might be true as well. I'm saying there's nothing to lose in picking him ahead of Walker or Nicholson and trying it. Muirhead just isn't the guy to create any better opportunities than we have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Why not play watt in midfield as he is doing, drop djoum and play sammon and johnsonn upfront ??????? Main reason for me- Djoum is the best player out of the four of them, so should be starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Muirhead just isn't the guy to create any better opportunities than we have been. For a guy who spammed another thread with a catch all of ?ou don't know that, this is ironic in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sammon could be on about 10 goals already if he'd taken his chances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Johnsen didn't exactly create anything yesterday while Sammon was involved in a number of chances If by involved in a number of chances you mean consistently missing 1 on 1's then yes you're correct. I'd personally rather be playing someone who can consistently put these chances away. Time to see if Johnsen is capable imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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