Bridge of Djoum Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Give Mark Warburton time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Anatoly Korobochka > the rest. This, in bucketloads. People also seem to be criminally overlooking Rix, Malofeev and Frail in all of this. It was basically Rix's team that won the Cup in 2006 before Valdas nicked in, spanked Hibs 4-0 in the semi and stole all the credit. Malofeev then laid the foundations for the unparalleled success which we enjoyed in the Frail/Korobochka era, sometimes referred to as the Korobochka/Frail era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 This, in bucketloads. People also seem to be criminally overlooking Rix, Malofeev and Frail in all of this. It was basically Rix's team that won the Cup in 2006 before Valdas nicked in, spanked Hibs 4-0 in the semi and stole all the credit. Malofeev then laid the foundations for the unparalleled success which we enjoyed in the Frail/Korobochka era, sometimes referred to as the Korobochka/Frail era. I think it is generally accepted now that Malofeev was the founding father of the current Hearts team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I think it is generally accepted now that Malofeev was the founding father of the current Hearts team. Correct. History will show that he influenced the club on and off the pitch in much the same way that Johann Cruyff did at FC Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Dale Cooper Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Marcello Lippi: 2 x World's Best Football Manager (1996 & 1998) 1 x World's Best National Coach (2006) 1 x World Cup 1 x Champions League 1 x UEFA Supercup 1 x Intercontinental Cup 1 x AFC Champions League 5 x Serie A 3 x Chinese Super League 1 x Chinese Cup 1 x Coppa Italia 4 x Italian Supercup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurdie Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1. Alex Ferguson 2. Jock Stein 3. Brian Clough 4. Matt Busby 5. Bill Shankly 6.Jose Mourinho 7. Vicente Del Bosque 8. Johann Cryuff 9. Tommy Walker 10. Bill Struth no. 10 is a very interesting choice for a Hearts fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I would omit Pep completely He has never won anything he was not expected to. He has never won anything with an even moderately minted and well set up club. He inherited an awesome Barcelona, then an awesome Bayern and now a League champions rolling in dosh City meh Even Jose did the diddyish team thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Then you maybe need to consider Arrigo Sacchi Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Good point. How about Top 12= ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Undoubtedly the boy that managed Joseys Giants!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 no. 10 is a very interesting choice for a Hearts fan. Indeed. But was he not, like so many Rangers 'legends" a Hearts man. He was born in Gorgie, & was a Hearts shareholder for a time pre Rangers.. Still wouldn't be anywhere near that list for me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Tommy Walker is a pretty odd choice too. A great, almost certainly greatest Hearts manager (although he owed a lot to Davie Mclean), but nowhere near the top ten in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Roy Race deserves to be considered me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvery_Moon Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 This, in bucketloads. People also seem to be criminally overlooking Rix, Malofeev and Frail in all of this. It was basically Rix's team that won the Cup in 2006 before Valdas nicked in, spanked Hibs 4-0 in the semi and stole all the credit. Malofeev then laid the foundations for the unparalleled success which we enjoyed in the Frail/Korobochka era, sometimes referred to as the Korobochka/Frail era. What utter nonsense. How can you possibly name them ahead of Tommy McLean and John McGlynn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1. Alex Ferguson 2. Jock Stein 3. Brian Clough 4. Matt Busby 5. Bill Shankly 6.Jose Mourinho 7. Vicente Del Bosque 8. Johann Cryuff 9. Tommy Walker 10. Bill Struth would have had big jock, but good selections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 would have had big jock, but good selections big jock stien first.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvery_Moon Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Roy Race deserves to be considered me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonesy Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Paolo Sergio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I would omit Pep completely He has never won anything he was not expected to. He has never won anything with an even moderately minted and well set up club. He inherited an awesome Barcelona, then an awesome Bayern and now a League champions rolling in dosh City meh Even Jose did the diddyish team thing Barcelona had won nowt for the 2 seasons previous before he took over. He has led his sides to the semi finals of the Champions league 7 years in a row. Although not the best he is up there. 6 league titles. 4 national cups. 2 champions league,where they pissed all over Fergie's United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Barcelona had won nowt for the 2 seasons previous before he took over. He has led his sides to the semi finals of the Champions league 7 years in a row. Although not the best he is up there. 6 league titles. 4 national cups. 2 champions league,where they pissed all over Fergie's United. The reason Pep gets no credit is he started at Barca for some reason this seems to go against him. Imo it should be the opposite, to take that on as your first job (barca reserves aside) and make a success of it puts you up there with the best. To then have a balls to move countries deserves more credit. I fairly sure he could've stayed at barca for as long as he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 What utter nonsense. How can you possibly name them ahead of Tommy McLean and John McGlynn? Sorry mate, totally forgot about those guys. Tommy had us playing some of the best football I've seen in my lifetime and JM was responsible for one of the greatest results in the club's history, Rotherham 0-1 Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Ernst Happel in 4 different countries with pap teams. ADO Den Haag Dutch Cup: 1967?68 Feyenoord Dutch Championship: 1970?71 European Cup: 1969?70 Intercontinental Cup: 1970 Club Brugge Belgian Championship: 1975?76, 1976?77, 1977?78 Belgian Cup: 1976?77 UEFA Cup: 1975?76 (Runner-up) European Cup: 1977?78 (Runner-up) Standard Liege Belgian Cup: 1980?81 Belgian Supercup: 1981 Belgian Championship: 1979?80 (Runner-up) The Netherlands FIFA World Cup: (Runner?Up) 1978 Hamburger SV German Championship: 1981?82, 1982?83 German Cup: 1986?87 European Cup: 1982?83 UEFA Cup: 1981?82 (Runner-up) European Super Cup: 1983 (Runner-up) Intercontinental Cup: 1983 (Runner-up) FC Swarovski Tirol Austrian Championship: 1988?89, 1989?90 Austrian Cup: 1988?89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm assuming that Bill Nicholson,on you're list. A great manager who lead Spurs to the league and cup double. Indeed. A very impressive manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Josey is starting a lot of threads at the moment? PS The answer is Bob Paisley. Correct (imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaw Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 no. 10 is a very interesting choice for a Hearts fan. I thought it might have gone something like this: 1. Bill Struth 2. Walter Smith 3. Jock Wallace 4. Scot Symon 5. Davie White 6. Graeme Souness 7. Alex McLeish 8. Dick Advocaat 9. John Greig 10. Alex Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Barcelona had won nowt for the 2 seasons previous before he took over. He has led his sides to the semi finals of the Champions league 7 years in a row. Although not the best he is up there. 6 league titles. 4 national cups. 2 champions league,where they pissed all over Fergie's United. Inherited a fantastic side from Rijkaard at Barcelona, then one at Bayern from Heynckes. And City were basically a side already built too. Ferguson took 3 clubs who were all down on their luck and won things with them all, often beating teams with a bigger budget than the bottomless pits of cash that Pep has to work with and always has. The sheer fact of the matter is that Pep takes the easy jobs and does really well with them. He cannot be mentioned in the same breath as someone like Sir Alex Ferguson. No danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurdie Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Indeed. But was he not, like so many Rangers 'legends" a Hearts man. He was born in Gorgie, & was a Hearts shareholder for a time pre Rangers.. Still wouldn't be anywhere near that list for me though. According to wiki born Leith. Did work as trainer at Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurdie Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I thought it might have gone something like this: 1. Bill Struth 2. Walter Smith 3. Jock Wallace 4. Scot Symon 5. Davie White 6. Graeme Souness 7. Alex McLeish 8. Dick Advocaat 9. John Greig 10. Alex Ferguson Now Mr Wales, that's how you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Don't forget joe Jordan, tactical genius. [emoji6] Right enough! Shocking that he's been overlooked so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Sir Alex Rinus Michels Bob Paisley In no particular order. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1. Brian Clough 2. Rinus Michels 3. Helenio Herrera 4. Bob Paisley 5. Jose Mourinho 6. Pep Guardiola 7. Bobby Robson 8. Otmar Hitzfeld 9. Carlo Ancelotti 10. Jim Jefferies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Inherited a fantastic side from Rijkaard at Barcelona, then one at Bayern from Heynckes. And City were basically a side already built too. Ferguson took 3 clubs who were all down on their luck and won things with them all, often beating teams with a bigger budget than the bottomless pits of cash that Pep has to work with and always has. The sheer fact of the matter is that Pep takes the easy jobs and does really well with them. He cannot be mentioned in the same breath as someone like Sir Alex Ferguson. No danger. Barca side he inherited was so fantastic they had won nothing for 2 seasons. Not saying he is better than Fergie but deserves a place for what he has achieved in about 8 years of management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Marcello Lippi: 2 x World's Best Football Manager (1996 & 1998) 1 x World's Best National Coach (2006) 1 x World Cup 1 x Champions League 1 x UEFA Supercup 1 x Intercontinental Cup 1 x AFC Champions League 5 x Serie A 3 x Chinese Super League 1 x Chinese Cup 1 x Coppa Italia 4 x Italian Supercup Absolutely nail on head, 3 champions league finals in a row, leaves and when he comes back takes them back to another Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Barca side he inherited was so fantastic they had won nothing for 2 seasons. Not saying he is better than Fergie but deserves a place for what he has achieved in about 8 years of management. It's hardly rocket science to make a team containing players like Henry, Eto'o and Messi title winners really. It'd be easier to say he was a brilliant manager if he'd done what he done with someone like Everton, Deportivo La Coruna or Wolfsburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Jack Reynolds invented total football and taught Ajax and the Netherlands national team - his legacy was enormous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st1874 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I would have a similar trophy haul as Guardiola in his shoes. Disgraceful to mention him in the same breath as some of these greats. Handed virtually everything and spoiled for choice/funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseywales Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 Marcello Lippi: 2 x World's Best Football Manager (1996 & 1998) 1 x World's Best National Coach (2006) 1 x World Cup 1 x Champions League 1 x UEFA Supercup 1 x Intercontinental Cup 1 x AFC Champions League 5 x Serie A 3 x Chinese Super League 1 x Chinese Cup 1 x Coppa Italia 4 x Italian Supercup I can't believe I forget him on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I would have a similar trophy haul as Guardiola in his shoes. Disgraceful to mention him in the same breath as some of these greats. Handed virtually everything and spoiled for choice/funds. If you aren't a great coach you are quickly sussed out by top level players and you lose control, thats how it seems anyway. Pep never has anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Although I wouldn't put pep in the list yet. Fast forward ten or twenty years, he'll have a bout double the haul of trophies of anyone else. Well on his way of being the most successful club manager ever, he'll manage Spain or Brazil at some point as well imo, could add international trophies in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st1874 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 If you aren't a great coach you are quickly sussed out by top level players and you lose control, thats how it seems anyway. Pep never has anywhereContrast his record with virtually the same squad at Bayern with Jupp Heynckes's last season before Guardiola came in. Heynckes's far better with exactly the same resources. Guardiola has been spoiled everywhere and for me isn't even as good as Mourinho, who I don't like, as he built that Porto team from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56anawthat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Alf Ramsey Terry Venables Sam Allardyce Pat Fenlon Ally McCoist Bertie Vogts Ally McLeod Mixup Paataalainaan ...(runs for cover...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Contrast his record with virtually the same squad at Bayern with Jupp Heynckes's last season before Guardiola came in. Heynckes's far better with exactly the same resources. Guardiola has been spoiled everywhere and for me isn't even as good as Mourinho, who I don't like, as he built that Porto team from scratch. He's got Jose's number so I rate him higher. Success would tell you that but Bayern played better football in my opinion under Pep and scored a lot of goals, he was penalties away from the Champions League semis twice. I think even quarters is a success at the moment as it is an incredibly tough tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avhudtheteeshirt Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Clough is no. 1 for me. To take modest clubs from domestic backwaters to national and international prominence takes some doing and Clough achieved it with Notts Forest and Derby. Ferguson has to be considered too because of his longevity and effectively producing 4 or 5 different, but still successful, squads. My only caveat is that Man Utd had the financial resources to be the top side throughout his tenure, whereas Clough's achievements were down to selective recruitment and bloody good coaching That for me means Jock Stein is way out in front. To take an all Scottish team to win a top European Trophy, I don't think that will ever be topped! I don't think any other Country could claim they have a team that has achieved that, even some International teams now have foreign players nationalised to play for their new country. Jock's team came from within a 30 mile radius of Parkhead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy25841 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Don't know Leicester boss's name but perhaps he should be in there somewhere. [emoji482] Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 My fantasy team has got off to a no bad start this season so I'm flinging my hat into the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Terry Butcher. Oh you mean best, sorry I thought you meant favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie1874 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Make it a Top 12 and shoe-horn Ancelotti in there with him. Feel he never quite gets the credit he deserves. Agree about Anceltotti not getting the credit he deserves. He has won league titles in 3 different countries, will be 4 after this year. Won CL with two different clubs Won a host of other cups across 4 countries. (5 this year) A lot of the managers on the list are guys who did it at one or two clubs, he has been a success pretty much most clubs he has went to and is still the person wanted by one of the biggest clubs in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennant's 6's Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Rinus Michels has to be in there. My first thought too.. Plus Helenio Herrera, great success in Spain with Atleti & Barca, and at Inter, albeit winning things by playing catenaccio.. Malofeev is def my favourite, if only for the memorable interviews he gave... Classics.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennant's 6's Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Contrast his record with virtually the same squad at Bayern with Jupp Heynckes's last season before Guardiola came in. Heynckes's far better with exactly the same resources. Guardiola has been spoiled everywhere and for me isn't even as good as Mourinho, who I don't like, as he built that Porto team from scratch. Whilst I'm no Guardiola fan boy, people seem to forget that he inherited a pretty poor side, two bangs ever age seasons at the end of Rijkaards tenure. And he took the bold decision, & proved correct, to dump Ronaldhino & Deco, who should both have been in there prime, and put his faith in Messi, who'd had a series of niggling injuries at that point. Plus he did improve the style of play at Bayern, even if he did fail in the real aim to dominate the Champions League with them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Surprised nobody has mentioned Davie McLean My Old Man always said he was the man who built the great team of the 50's rather than Tommy Walker and was his favourite manager He was the one who brought Conn, Bauld and Wardhaugh to Tynecastle so that says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 It's threads like this that make me not miss Dr Lawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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