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#1 aussieh

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:42 pm

Voted out :facepalm:
No say on the same terms as before :rofl:

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:43 pm

Voted out :facepalm:
No say on the same terms as before :rofl:

 

You'll just have to lump it, fellow Brit.



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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:45 pm

You'll just have to lump it, fellow Brit.

Doesn't bother me.
When you hame?

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:46 pm

Message to the oil industry. Your contracts are with the UK government not an independent Scotland.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 08:57 pm

You'll just have to lump it, fellow Brit.

Detention centres being built for non-EU nationalities and no voting scits on Indy day.
Cannae huv any auld folk coming here.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:16 pm

Voted out :facepalm:
No say on the same terms as before :rofl:


So you voted out without knowing what the terms of it would be and are now annoyed you still don't know...


... Aye ok. I'll bite, did you honestly think folk wanting out thought they knew what they could or couldn't do?

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 09:40 pm

You mean they're not going to spend the extra £350m / week on the NHS?

Was that just made up?

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:30 am

So you voted out without knowing what the terms of it would be and are now annoyed you still don't know...


... Aye ok. I'll bite, did you honestly think folk wanting out thought they knew what they could or couldn't do?

I voted remain.
They voted out as in out, not in with less money and influence, a bit luke Scotland in the Uk.

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#9 IronJambo

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 06:00 am

Brexit killed my hamster

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 07:10 am

Whilst I don't disagree with the OP on this occasion He'd vote Scotland out of the union. Kind of ironic..

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 07:12 am

Brexit killed my hamster


Probably one of them foreign hamsters anyway.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 07:22 am

Probably one of them foreign hamsters anyway.


I didn't like my hamster. I voted for Brexit so it would kill it.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 07:31 am

Voted out :facepalm:
No say on the same terms as before :rofl:


you voted out of GB on the white paper

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 08:47 am

Credit to the Japanese government for atleast being honest and open rather than burying the report like our own government have so far.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 08:49 am

USA have explicitly told us that we're at the back of the queue for trade deals.

Japan have sent a 15 page document saying the same thing and also warning that they may pull their car factories out of the UK.

 

And so it begins.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 08:55 am

USA have explicitly told us that we're at the back of the queue for trade deals.
Japan have sent a 15 page document saying the same thing and also warning that they may pull their car factories out of the UK.

And so it begins.



Source of USA explicitly telling us please.

#17 Ibrahim Tall

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 08:55 am

USA have explicitly told us that we're at the back of the queue for trade deals.
Japan have sent a 15 page document saying the same thing and also warning that they may pull their car factories out of the UK.

And so it begins.


It isn't actually limited to car factories, it's Japanese companies in general I know of one first hand.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:26 am

I am proud to have voted to get out unfortuntely the snp will use this to get independence. But it is about time we take control of our borders in the process stop eastern European's abusing the system. The eu is a thing of the past my point it is the time for us the people of Britain to govern ourselves not have a bunch of pen pushers to do it for us.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:27 am

I am proud to have voted to get out unfortuntely the snp will use this to get independence. But it is about time we take control of our borders in the process stop eastern European's abusing the system. The eu is a thing of the past my point it is the time for us the people of Britain to govern ourselves not have a bunch of pen pushers to do it for us.


Only Eastern Europeans abuse the system?

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:28 am

Credit to the Japanese government for atleast being honest and open rather than burying the report like our own government have so far.



Which report?

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:29 am

Only Eastern Europeans abuse the system?

My point is until we are out of Europe we can't control who comes in and who doesn't at the moment they are in the eu along with us so we can't stop them coming.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:29 am

you voted out of GB on the white paper

Didn't read it.
I have no plans to vote SNP at Scotland first General Election.
I voted remain in hope of an indyref2.

People voted out of the EU, OUT, not half in/out. It shouldn't take long to withdraw.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:31 am

I am proud to have voted to get out unfortuntely the snp will use this to get independence. But it is about time we take control of our borders in the process stop eastern European's abusing the system. The eu is a thing of the past my point it is the time for us the people of Britain to govern ourselves not have a bunch of pen pushers to do it for us.

Exactly, the UK is a thing of the past. We should take control of our border and stop England abusing our country/people/assets.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:33 am

I am proud to have voted to get out unfortuntely the snp will use this to get independence. But it is about time we take control of our borders in the process stop eastern European's abusing the system. The eu is a thing of the past my point it is the time for us the people of Britain to govern ourselves not have a bunch of pen pushers to do it for us.

 

Pen pushers? Like the Civil Service?



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:40 am

I am proud to have voted to get out unfortuntely the snp will use this to get independence. But it is about time we take control of our borders in the process stop eastern European's abusing the system. The eu is a thing of the past my point it is the time for us the people of Britain to govern ourselves not have a bunch of pen pushers to do it for us.

 

We do that already, within the constitutional limitations placed upon us.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 10:24 am

Exactly, the UK is a thing of the past. We should take control of our border and stop England abusing our country/people/assets.

 

But happy to have the EU controlling our borders and laws and abusing our country/people/assets?



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 10:48 am

USA have explicitly told us that we're at the back of the queue for trade deals.

Japan have sent a 15 page document saying the same thing and also warning that they may pull their car factories out of the UK.

 

And so it begins.

 

You mean the soon to be ex president? The really crap one who will leave his country in a ******* shambles? That USA?



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 10:50 am

Didn't read it.
I have no plans to vote SNP at Scotland first General Election.
I voted remain in hope of an indyref2.

People voted out of the EU, OUT, not half in/out. It shouldn't take long to withdraw.


so as suspected you didn't read the conditions you were voting for you just donned your see you jimmy hat and voted independence, and now you have the stupidity to dig up the conditions of brexit and point this out to everyone

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 10:51 am

Source of USA explicitly telling us please.

 

The lame duck who is currently in the White House (oh how that name must grind his gears). As for the House of Representatives and the Senate they'll fine doing business with the UK.  After all they've just signed one with Oman. 



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 11:02 am

You mean the soon to be ex president? The really crap one who will leave his country in a ******* shambles? That USA?

 

That will be the same president who told us not to vote for independence as well?

 

Obama is piissed off that the UK will not be joining TTIP and allowing the USA to open up the NHS to their companies.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 11:41 am

That will be the same president who told us not to vote for independence as well?

 

Obama is piissed off that the UK will not be joining TTIP and allowing the USA to open up the NHS to their companies.

 

Surely he has a greater chance of achieving that with a Brexited UK, than an EU bound UK, given the French want to veto TTIP?

 

It's simply that the US does more trade with the EU and with SE Asia so they have a higher priority.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 11:51 am

Surely he has a greater chance of achieving that with a Brexited UK, than an EU bound UK, given the French want to veto TTIP?

 

It's simply that the US does more trade with the EU and with SE Asia so they have a higher priority.

 

Didn't know about the French position on TTIP.  I hope that our government stands up against it or the NHS is screwed.  However, looking at the junior doctor's position with Jeremy Hunt, I think the NHS could be heading for trouble anyway.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 01:57 pm

so as suspected you didn't read the conditions you were voting for you just donned your see you jimmy hat and voted independence, and now you have the stupidity to dig up the conditions of brexit and point this out to everyone


Many of us voted for Brexit without a care for the economic fallout, maybe he was the same in the indy ref.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 02:12 pm

Many of us voted for Brexit without a care for the economic fallout, maybe he was the same in the indy ref.

Those that voted on immigration issues wont be particularly enthused by the PM's statement today.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 02:36 pm

Those that voted on immigration issues wont be particularly enthused by the PM's statement today.


I've not seen my MP's statement yet but immigration was a silly basis for anyone's vote anyway.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 02:49 pm

I've not seen my MP's statement yet but immigration was a silly basis for anyone's vote anyway.

 

Yet was probably the single biggest reason for so many voting for Brexit...



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 02:58 pm

Yet was probably the single biggest reason for so many voting for Brexit...

Correct.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 02:58 pm

Message to the oil industry. Your contracts are with the UK government not an independent Scotland.


What oil industry?

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 03:05 pm

Yet was probably the single biggest reason for so many voting for Brexit...


It may well have been. I don't really give a toss about other people's reasons for voting one way or the other to be honest.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 04:07 pm

Exactly, the UK is a thing of the past. We should take control of our border and stop England abusing our country/people/assets.


Abusing? I'd like to hear an explanation for that..

We are currently running the biggest deficit in Europe, worse than Greece by quite some distance without the penalties imposed by Brussels.

The uncomfortable truth is that Scottish Independence with entry to Europe means huge tax hikes, unimaginable levels of austerity and no doubt unchecked immigration to solve the German made immigration crisis which is working out so well for the rest of Europe. Still putting up blockers to trade with the rest of the UK (70%) to resolve the wailing over blockers to trade with Europe (30%) will help that situation won't it

I can only deduce that anyone who still thinks indy is an option is either criminally stupid or smoking crack.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:00 pm

My point is until we are out of Europe we can't control who comes in and who doesn't at the moment they are in the eu along with us so we can't stop them coming.


I would want to get rid of a lot of British people. Does it work that way too?

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:06 pm

Abusing? I'd like to hear an explanation for that..

We are currently running the biggest deficit in Europe, worse than Greece by quite some distance without the penalties imposed by Brussels.

The uncomfortable truth is that Scottish Independence with entry to Europe means huge tax hikes, unimaginable levels of austerity and no doubt unchecked immigration to solve the German made immigration crisis which is working out so well for the rest of Europe. Still putting up blockers to trade with the rest of the UK (70%) to resolve the wailing over blockers to trade with Europe (30%) will help that situation won't it

I can only deduce that anyone who still thinks indy is an option is either criminally stupid or smoking crack.

Scotland isn't an independent country yet and so does not run a deficit. I can only deduce etc,,,



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:17 pm

Scotland isn't an independent country yet and so does not run a deficit. I can only deduce etc,,,


Scotland spends more than it brings in.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:18 pm

I would want to get rid of a lot of British people. Does it work that way too?

I have to wait 3 weeks for a doctor's appointment with a doctor also I know people that have been moved out of their doctor's surgeries because of overcrowding. I do think the services that we need are being stretched and it cannot continue. But maybe you don't agree with me on this but british people must come first besides with millions of people on the dole and young people can't get work now is the time to say enough is enough.



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:21 pm

Scotland isn't an independent country yet and so does not run a deficit. I can only deduce etc,,,


I'm not sure if your trolling or just thick? Check the GERS figures published last week and explain how we're not running a deficit.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:23 pm

I have to wait 3 weeks for a doctor's appointment with a doctor also I know people that have been moved out of their doctor's surgeries because of overcrowding. I do think the services that we need are being stretched and it cannot continue. But maybe you don't agree with me on this but british people must come first besides with millions of people on the dole and young people can't get work now is the time to say enough is enough.


Are the strains you mention really down to immigration? Or years, decades even, of underfunding by government?

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:25 pm

Scotland isn't an independent country yet and so does not run a deficit. I can only deduce etc,,,

 

It is the starting point for an independent Scotland though isn't it? We currently spend £15bn more than we raise in taxes. Yes, every country has a deficit but no country is overspending as much as we are.

 

Scotland could change lots of things about including taxing more or spending less to try and change our current income/spending ratio. 

 

What would you suggest Indy-Scotland do to reduce this deficit once we have our hands on all these elusive levers. 

 

Cutting Trident will save a paltry amount of approx £200m a year (white paper claimed £500m). 

 

What else? 



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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:36 pm

Are the strains you mention really down to immigration? Or years, decades even, of underfunding by government?

 

I can count on one hand the number of times I've visited my GP in almost 20 years so I acknowledge this this is a really small sample size, but even though the practice serves an area that probably has one of the higher rates of immigration in Edinburgh (Sighthill/ Wester Hailes) I've never actually seen anybody at the practice who I'd suspect was an immigrant- all local accents.

 

It would be interesting to see actual statistics regarding a breakdown of ethnic heritage/tax funds received/time or money spent for those using GP or rest of NHS services.


Edited by Bring on the Future, 05 September 2016 - 05:36 pm.


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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:45 pm

I have to wait 3 weeks for a doctor's appointment with a doctor also I know people that have been moved out of their doctor's surgeries because of overcrowding. I do think the services that we need are being stretched and it cannot continue. But maybe you don't agree with me on this but british people must come first besides with millions of people on the dole and young people can't get work now is the time to say enough is enough.


Millions of people on the dole? Less than 800,000 out of 60,000,000+ are on jobseekers.
Services are stretched because of lack of government funding.

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:51 pm

It is the starting point for an independent Scotland though isn't it? We currently spend £15bn more than we raise in taxes. Yes, every country has a deficit but no country is overspending as much as we are.

Scotland could change lots of things about including taxing more or spending less to try and change our current income/spending ratio.

What would you suggest Indy-Scotland do to reduce this deficit once we have our hands on all these elusive levers.

Cutting Trident will save a paltry amount of approx £200m a year (white paper claimed £500m).

What else?

Health service
Education
Benefits
Armed services..
Pensions

Combined with some meaty tax hikes for those who remain we should just about break even..

The first cuts will be the populist SNP policies designed to buy the votes of the stupid.

Edited by kingantti1874, 05 September 2016 - 05:57 pm.






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