Grappling in the penalty area

[Maroon Sailor]

Think there could be a few penalties this season as the officials are clamping down on this.

 

I think they are making a rod for their own backs as it will be impossible to see every incident

[DH1986]

Think there could be a few penalties this season as the officials are clamping down on this.

 

I think they are making a rod for their own backs as it will be impossible to see every incident

 

It's impossible to catch every foul or dive etc anyway so it's makes no difference.

[Maroon Sailor]

It's impossible to catch every foul or dive etc anyway so it's makes no difference.

The decision of a penalty puts more pressure on the officials to get it right. It's the six and two threes incidents that are going to be difficult to judge.

[alanbauld]

Think there could be a few penalties this season as the officials are clamping down on this.

 

I think they are making a rod for their own backs as it will be impossible to see every incident

 

I think the officials have already succeeded in the clamp down. Players already know the result of putting hands on opposing players in the box will be a penalty against the defending team and foul (maybe more) against the attacking team. If you had been at the Inverness game you would have noticed hardly a player put a foot, arm or hand wrong in the box forcing defenders to rely on skill and know how rather than the ridiculous ruckus that the game had degenerated into. Long may it be enforced.

[Bluesy1874]

To be honest It's about time, They are clamping down on it in the EPL as well this season. They were running through the new rules on BT sport after the Leicester Arsenal game over the weekend. I noticed that one of the ways in which a penalty can be conceded is if the opposing player is not looking at the ball but is only focusing on blocking the man, hence why Stoke were awarded a penalty.

 

It will be very difficult for the referee to spot every single incident in a congested penalty area. 

[Maroon Sailor]

To be honest It's about time, They are clamping down on it in the EPL as well this season. They were running through the new rules on BT sport after the Leicester Arsenal game over the weekend. I noticed that one of the ways in which a penalty can be conceded is if the opposing player is not looking at the ball but is only focusing on blocking the man, hence why Stoke were awarded a penalty.

 

It will be very difficult for the referee to spot every single incident in a congested penalty area.

 

I watched a bit of the Derby and Villa match last week and Keogh of Derby was having his shirt basically ripped off him in the box but didn't appeal, neither did any Derby players for some reason and the linesman was looking right across of the incident with no other players in his line of sight.

 

No excuses for that not being a penalty under this new clampdown

[Joe Hearts]

Thought I was going to be reading about Kendo Nagasaki or Big Daddy! Anyway yes if the officials are consistent then there should be plenty penalty's this season.

[norrie1952]

Thought I was going to be reading about Kendo Nagasaki or Big Daddy! Anyway yes if the officials are consistent then there should be plenty penalty's this season.

Joe you are going back a few years surely you weren't watching the wrestling at 4.15pm when the famous were playing til 4.45

[manaliveits105]

In Scotland if you touch an old firm player in the box its a penalty if they touch you in their box its a mans game - simples

[Bazzas right boot]

Think there could be a few penalties this season as the officials are clamping down on this.

 

I think they are making a rod for their own backs as it will be impossible to see every incident

 

Yes and  know, usually both the attacker and the defender are "grappling" the safe option would be to blow for a foul against the attacker, every time unless the defender is really obvious.

 

If this happens, attackers will do it less often and if defenders continue to do it , it will be more obvious, atm 99% of the time both are at it. To blow for a penalty in this case is very risky and could be controversial, a free kick for the defending team has no risk and will over time have attackers stop doing it, which means defenders will need to curb it or be too obvious and then give away a penalty.

 

Easy to  fix, just might take a season or two and teams will change  there culture.

If  look at me refs like our Willie get involved, then yes it could get interesting as you say.

[Don Dan]

Don't worry the Compliance Officer will be scrutinising every free and Corner kick and anybody outside the Weegie Bigot sisters will be offered 2 match bans. Hearts will be particularly singled out due to our renowned fizzicality.

[glastonbury jambo]

To put it simply , there is grappling at every single corner and free kick that is heading into a box since football began,

this is an area that will be very inconsistent and gives biased refs a chance to give penaltys for nothing one week and ignore it another.

[Gambo]

Refs also have to punish forwards backing their bodies into defenders as ball comes into box.

[Maroon Sailor]

Refs also have to punish forwards backing their bodies into defenders as ball comes into box.

I was just thinking about that and I always think about Ally McCoist who made an art of doing that.

 

Time and time again he would keep backing in to the defender, push him back 3 or 4 yards then fall down. Refs fell for it 99.9 per cent of the time

[indianajones]

Thankfully we don't have Zaliukas in defence anymore!

 

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[Debut 4]

Great there's a crackdown. Its become a bit of a defenders fad in football that has spread like wildfire.

 

Always cringed a bit at it through embarrassment.

 

Good to see that numpty hatchet man at the back for Stoke get pulled for it at the weekend.

 

Average players like him gained an advantage for too long doing that carp.

[Debut 4]

To put it simply , there is grappling at every single corner and free kick that is heading into a box since football began,

this is an area that will be very inconsistent and gives biased refs a chance to give penaltys for nothing one week and ignore it another.

Its been too obvious for too long though mate.

 

Some of it is embarrassing. Of course you can't avoid contact and a coming together of players is fine who are genuinely attacking the ball, but the pulling, wrapping round of arms and deliberate obstruction are basically fouls. Simple as that.

[Thig Ar Latha]

Think there could be a few penalties this season as the officials are clamping down on this.

 

I think they are making a rod for their own backs as it will be impossible to see every incident

They made a rod for their own back by not clamping down from the start. Having said that, Big Zal was one of the worst offenders in years gone by.

[glastonbury jambo]

Its been too obvious for too long though mate.

 

Some of it is embarrassing. Of course you can't avoid contact and a coming together of players is fine who are genuinely attacking the ball, but the pulling, wrapping round of arms and deliberate obstruction are basically fouls. Simple as that.

Fair enough , but its not so black and white , there are a lot of grey areas that will cause uproar.

you can bet the ugly sisters will benefit from this though.

[Sharpie]

To put it simply , there is grappling at every single corner and free kick that is heading into a box since football began,

this is an area that will be very inconsistent and gives biased refs a chance to give penaltys for nothing one week and ignore it another.

  not sure what level of football you are referring to, but as a veteran of midweek amateur football in the fifties and sixties, I can assure you if as a right back defending a corner I had grappled some of the opposition the way I see on television now, my nose would be somewhere alongside my left or right ear now.  There is no  way opposition players would have stood for all that grabbing and pulling that so openly goes on now.

 

I cannot say in the same eras I saw Hearts or opposition defenders carry out on a regular basis the nonsense that passes now as defending a corner. Sure I guess there would be some what was thought to be hidden shirt grabbing, or arm tangling, but this would have been done in a very hidden way.

[Paolo]

To be honest It's about time, They are clamping down on it in the EPL as well this season. They were running through the new rules on BT sport after the Leicester Arsenal game over the weekend. I noticed that one of the ways in which a penalty can be conceded is if the opposing player is not looking at the ball but is only focusing on blocking the man, hence why Stoke were awarded a penalty.

 

It will be very difficult for the referee to spot every single incident in a congested penalty area.

I know what decisions will and will not be see. By officials up here.

[glastonbury jambo]

  not sure what level of football you are referring to, but as a veteran of midweek amateur football in the fifties and sixties, I can assure you if as a right back defending a corner I had grappled some of the opposition the way I see on television now, my nose would be somewhere alongside my left or right ear now.  There is no  way opposition players would have stood for all that grabbing and pulling that so openly goes on now.

 

I cannot say in the same eras I saw Hearts or opposition defenders carry out on a regular basis the nonsense that passes now as defending a corner. Sure I guess there would be some what was thought to be hidden shirt grabbing, or arm tangling, but this would have been done in a very hidden way.

 "but as a veteran of midweek amateur football in the fifties and sixties".... exactly , its a physical game , even more so then.

your not going to tell me it was not a physical game back then?

[Sharpie]

 "but as a veteran of midweek amateur football in the fifties and sixties".... exactly , its a physical game , even more so then.

your not going to tell me it was not a physical game back then?

  I am certainly not going to tell you that it was not a physical game then, I was reading a thread on grappling in the penalty box, and you made a comment that it had always gone on.  My response was to the fact that I do not believe that was true,and I mean strictly grappling, my own experience as a low league player, and as a regular viewer of professional football is that it was not true in either case.

 

Players like Bobby Parker, Duncan McClure, and to some extent Tommy Mac spadyen tackled with full power every time, body contact was heavy and inevitable, however to act by grappling and hugging and pulling in the penalty box would have had such a man ridiculed off the field, I should of course remember Dave Mackay, of the same ilk.

 

To be honest some of the plays I see now would have been laughed at in womens football, a corner takes time to be taken as referees are constantly telling players to stop grabbing, obstructing , jersey pulling, pushing off, the old hard men of football just would not have stood for it, of course nor would the old referees. How often now do you see a goalie go up fo a ball on the line, come down on to two feet with the ball in his grasp, and getting shouldered into the net, the sight of grown men rolling about on the ground as if shot is to say the least disgusting, I appreciate it is a whole new generation, times and games change, but from my point of view the game as played now is not the game of my era of playing and watching.  But  hey, to each his own and difference of opinion is what makes the world go round.

[glastonbury jambo]

  I am certainly not going to tell you that it was not a physical game then, I was reading a thread on grappling in the penalty box, and you made a comment that it had always gone on.  My response was to the fact that I do not believe that was true,and I mean strictly grappling, my own experience as a low league player, and as a regular viewer of professional football is that it was not true in either case.

 

Players like Bobby Parker, Duncan McClure, and to some extent Tommy Mac spadyen tackled with full power every time, body contact was heavy and inevitable, however to act by grappling and hugging and pulling in the penalty box would have had such a man ridiculed off the field, I should of course remember Dave Mackay, of the same ilk.

 

To be honest some of the plays I see now would have been laughed at in womens football, a corner takes time to be taken as referees are constantly telling players to stop grabbing, obstructing , jersey pulling, pushing off, the old hard men of football just would not have stood for it, of course nor would the old referees. How often now do you see a goalie go up fo a ball on the line, come down on to two feet with the ball in his grasp, and getting shouldered into the net, the sight of grown men rolling about on the ground as if shot is to say the least disgusting, I appreciate it is a whole new generation, times and games change, but from my point of view the game as played now is not the game of my era of playing and watching.  But  hey, to each his own and difference of opinion is what makes the world go round.

yes..good post.

[RickDeckard]

Players are always going to come into contact with each other when competing for the ball and is a part of football 99% of people are fine with and find an enjoyable aspect of the game. However shirt pulling and holding should always be a foul imo as there's literally no argument for doing it if you're trying to win/play the ball cleanly.

[Maroon Sailor]

Eddie Howe has been speaking about this at his press conference saying if it's a clear foul he has no problem with but it's the ones where both players are at it and the ref usually favours the attacking side he is not an advocate of believing defenders should be able to engage in physical contact, should be able to contest balls fairly and evenly and thinks we are going to go in to dangerous areas where there are going to be 3 or 4 penalties a game

[socrates82]

Could you imagine if we still had Zali - penalty against us every week for grappling, deserved or not!

[Maroon Sailor]

Could you imagine if we still had Zali - penalty against us every week for grappling, deserved or not!

Yes he had the art of grappling weighed off !

[Debut 4]

Quite often see the grappling as a hindrance.

 

You often see defenders get it all wrong and an attackers gets to the ball or at least free from marking.

 

Defenders should just concentrate on attacking the ball and get their timing right.

[Livvyjambo]

Any good defender does it , Rossi for us . Just means he will have to change his ways which he will cope with no probs

[Back to 2005]

Don't give Collum ideas..

[Guest Paul Allen]

"Grabbling" in the box at set-pieces is part and parcel of the game in my experience.

[Busby8]

Think there could be a few penalties this season as the officials are clamping down on this.

 

I think they are making a rod for their own backs as it will be impossible to see every incident

 

Scott Brown will keep them right.

[Sharpie]

We come from a different era Bob. I was talking with a fellow ex-amateur about this the other day. While the games we played in were ultra physical you're right that holding at a corner would just get you a fist or elbow in the face. Remember, of course, that apart from Scottish Amateur Cup games we normally only had a ref and no linesmen. So off the ball stuff was fairly routine. It was also not the done thing to let an opponent who had tackled you badly have the satisfaction of knowing you were hurt. So you trudged off and put up with the pain rather than rolling around in agony. Maybe amateur footie is still like that but the senior game definitely isn't.

 

I thought after mebbe I was just having old man memories, but you have made me feel good. The pain thing, I played in a game out by Livingstone, it was a winter day and I ran out of the dressing room and a guy flicked a ball to me no warm up, I tried to flick it back and something gave in my upper thigh, I played the whole game.  The next day I limped to work and in the police box at Niddrie another man asked what was wrong, I dropped the pants and he looked at the back of my thigh and it was jet black bruising. Off to the Doc, torn hamstring, off work for two weeks, but I finished the game. Pretty tough man, but really stupid.

[CJGJ]

Tonights example of grappling that should have led to a Rangers penalty simply shows referees will apply it as and when they want  and not because they are supposed to.

 

Like the 'missed' handball that should have led to a Kilmarnock penalty it'll all boil down to a referees interpretation of the football laws

[Maroon Sailor]

Leicester and Liverpool denied blatant penalties today for grappling.

 

Refs under even more pressure to be consistent

[Shooter McGavin]

It's already been a nightmare down south consistency wise

[michael_bolton]

Defenders have been getting away with murder in this regard for years. There are few things more annoying than watching a corner where the defender is all over an attacker, yet as soon as the attacker raises a hand to fight back the whistle goes for a free kick to the defending team. Referees simply bottle it and go for the easy option of favouring the defender, usually.

 

If this is changing then it's a good change and well overdue. Defenders should learn to defend rather than just assuming they can get away with fouling attackers.

[Guest Paul Allen]

Leicester and Liverpool denied blatant penalties today for grappling.

Stoke and Crystal Palace penalised very harshly yesterday for grappling.

 

It's "raining penalties".

[Maroon Sailor]

Ipswich concede a 95th minute penalty for blatant grappling from their defender. Wasn't even looking at the ball

 

The corner had to be retaken as it was with Berra grappling in a 6 and two 3's scenario which both players got booked.

 

So the ref was eagle eyed as it was and had no option but to award the 3rd penalty of the match.

 

Madness from Ipswich Town - McCarthy stamp all over that defence

[Benny Factor]

Ipswich concede a 95th minute penalty for blatant grappling from their defender. Wasn't even looking at the ball

 

The corner had to be retaken as it was with Berra grappling in a 6 and two 3's scenario which both players got booked.

 

So the ref was eagle eyed as it was and had no option but to award the 3rd penalty of the match.

 

Madness from Ipswich Town - McCarthy stamp all over that defence

 

Right in front of him too.... Crazy!

[Maroon Sailor]

Right in front of him too.... Crazy!

 

I would say the manager would go absolutely radio rental with his player but we are talking about Mick McCarthy here who probably encourages it

[Maroon Sailor]

TBF to McCarthy he was seething with his player for giving the ref an opportunity to award a penalty especially as he warned the players just before.

 

He says you could probably give a penalty at every corner kick, what happened to good old fashioned defending where you stood your ground