Scottish Clubs In Europe Thread

[Bauld]

So with Aberdeen and ourselves making it into the next round and Hibs and Celtic still to get involved I thought it worth while to have a wee European thread.

 

Should also save us from having 20 different "FTH" threads after brondby slide them a Scandinavian dry one. You have my full permission to leave it all in here.

 

It's also come to my attention in the news that hibs manager Neil Lennon also has no plans to make any permanent signings this week. That could leave them going into a European fixture against a top side with a significantly weaker team than the one that ended the season, even lacking a first choice keeper.

 

 

Strongly fancy us to get the job done in the next round though. Tougher test but we're going to be prepared.

[Heartsmad1874]

Ourselves and Aberdeen should atleast make the 3rd round then its the luck of the draw from there, Brondby should quite easily dispose of Hibs whilst Celtic should atleast make the Group Stages of the Champions League under Rodgers

 

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[Son Of Anarchy]

May I be the first to say. FTH FTC FTA.

[Ferryjambo99]

Are hibs the only 2nd tier team in the competition?

[Irufushi]

Hope they all get pumped rotten.

[IveSeenTheLight]

Ourselves and Aberdeen should atleast make the 3rd round then its the luck of the draw from there, 

 

If we play like we did last night, were not getting to the third round this year.

We were absolutely dire last night.

The worst performance I have EVER seen from the Dons.

 

We're through now, so on to the next games.

 

Were playing Ventspils and watching the highlights of their game last week vs Vikingur, I was confident of progressing.

Not so now given our own inept performance.

Ventspils have a higher co-efficient than us, so we are seeded to go out in the 2nd round.

That said, they are a weaker team than Groningen and Rijeka whom we put out in the 2nd round the last two years.

 

For Hearts, despite Bakirkira's great result against West Ham last season, I'm hopeful that you guys will qualify.

They seem to be a different team having lost some players, so can see you guys brushing them aside and go into the QR3 draw next week

 

Let's hope we all progress as far as we can in the Europa League to boost the co-efficients

[Heartsmad1874]

If we play like we did last night, were not getting to the third round this year.

We were absolutely dire last night.

The worst performance I have EVER seen from the Dons.

 

We're through now, so on to the next games.

 

Were playing Ventspils and watching the highlights of their game last week vs Vikingur, I was confident of progressing.

Not so now given our own inept performance.

Ventspils have a higher co-efficient than us, so we are seeded to go out in the 2nd round.

That said, they are a weaker team than Groningen and Rijeka whom we put out in the 2nd round the last two years.

 

For Hearts, despite Bakirkira's great result against West Ham last season, I'm hopeful that you guys will qualify.

They seem to be a different team having lost some players, so can see you guys brushing them aside and go into the QR3 draw next week

 

Let's hope we all progress as far as we can in the Europa League to boost the co-efficients

Why was it such a horrid performace? Was it the absence of McGinn or McInnes's failure to drop that poor excuse of a defender Ash Taylor, Was shocked at the result but then read he had a shocker so wasn't so surprised anymore.

 

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[IveSeenTheLight]

Why was it such a horrid performace? Was it the absence of McGinn or McInnes's failure to drop that poor excuse of a defender Ash Taylor, Was shocked at the result but then read he had a shocker so wasn't so surprised anymore.

 

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We just did not turn up at all.

 

Effort was poor.

Incapable of passing to a teammate

Incapable of closing down.

Players breathing out of their arses.

No midfield presence whatsover.

no commitment whatsoever.

 

We turned up thinking it would be a stroll and they turned up looking to play.

We were extremely lucky to go through. they had a shot off the post and across the goal and a last minute flick to the back post which was spinning in, but Lewis just managed scramble across the goal. Also they almost lobbed Lewis in the first couple of minutes.

 

Not wanting to make excuses, but do wonder if it was the heat, altitude or horrendous strip we choose to wear which seemed to blend in with the opposition on a bright day. At least if that was the case we should not be subjected to such a woeful performance again, but I don't hold my breath.

 

Fortunately we will have McGinn back and Miles Storey joining up with the team, we should have other options, but stone me, it was the hardest game ever to watch.

[Getintaethem]

In the long run its better for Hearts if the other Scottish clubs do well. After a few seasons it would make ir far, far easier to get to the group stages where big money can be made, just can't bring myself to want Hibs to win though. C'mon Brondby!

[Erik]

Both Hearts and Aberdeen SHOULD progress given the opposition. No excuses for either club not seeing off their opponents.

 

Hibs however should expect to be back concentrating on league football soon enough. They should get ridden rotten by Brondby.

[Bauld]

In the long run its better for Hearts if the other Scottish clubs do well. After a few seasons it would make ir far, far easier to get to the group stages where big money can be made, just can't bring myself to want Hibs to win though. C'mon Brondby!

I'm happy for Aberdeen to get as far as possible to help the coefficient.

 

I can even take Celtic getting into the champions league groups.

 

I hope hibs gets absolutely destroyed.

[Erik]

I'm happy for Aberdeen to get as far as possible to help the coefficient.

 

I can even take Celtic getting into the champions league groups.

 

I hope hibs gets absolutely destroyed.

 

Generally speaking I couldn't really care less about the coheeefishunt or the effects of other teams results on us as a nation.

 

BUT....... the bit in bold is the one thing I feel strongly about NOT happening.

 

The money involved in the CL group stages is too significant to ignore. Celtic not in the CL group stages are a MUCH weaker prospect than one who are earning millions for not even winning.

[Statto]

Regarding Hibs. They will get beat. Wanting them to do well or badly won't make a difference. The only question is; can they keep the score down to single figures?

[IveSeenTheLight]

Generally speaking I couldn't really care less about the coheeefishunt or the effects of other teams results on us as a nation.

 

BUT....... the bit in bold is the one thing I feel strongly about NOT happening.

 

The money involved in the CL group stages is too significant to ignore. Celtic not in the CL group stages are a MUCH weaker prospect than one who are earning millions for not even winning.

 

I see your point, however on the otherhand, the additional games midweek has affected them in the league as well.

Stretching their squad and players picking up injuries.

 

Celtics signing policy has not been great in the last few years, spending millions on players and then not playing them / moving them on.

 

They seem to go on quantity, hoping they unearth a Wanyama, Van Dyke or Forster.

A lot more have been Raphael Scheidt though

[Dayman]

Has a team ever entered at the first round like us and got to the group stages?

[itsnomarooned]

I could look this up but can't be bothered. How many qualifying rounds till the competition proper? Also, is the first stage of the actual competition still a knockout game?

[Erik]

I see your point, however on the otherhand, the additional games midweek has affected them in the league as well.

Stretching their squad and players picking up injuries.

 

Celtics signing policy has not been great in the last few years, spending millions on players and then not playing them / moving them on.

 

They seem to go on quantity, hoping they unearth a Wanyama, Van Dyke or Forster.

A lot more have been Raphael Scheidt though

 

I'd still rather they didn't have that financial windfall tbh.

 

I'd rather they didn't have the money at all than had it to waste.

[IveSeenTheLight]

I could look this up but can't be bothered. How many qualifying rounds till the competition proper? Also, is the first stage of the actual competition still a knockout game?

 

There's three qualifying round and then a play off round.

so 4 rounds till the group stages

 

This is a nae bad site

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2016.html

 

Shows the clubs and the co-efficients, including if teams have benefitted from beating the oppositions seeding i.e. MTK Budapest have a co-efficient of 2.475, but because they beat FK Aktobe (8.075) they now inherit the 8.075 for round two and will play Gabala

[West Jambo]

Agree that Hibs have no chance, but my preference would be that that they fluke their way through in ridiculous circumstances to play-off before going out to a cricket score. While being made to travel as far as possible, eating into any financial gain made from being in Europe.

[Midloth_Iain]

 

 

 

 

 

1st Qualifying Round July  

2nd Qualifying Round July  

3th Qualifying Round Jul/Aug  

4th Qualifying Round August  

Group stage Sep-Dec

[Erik]

Basically, its geared against the teams coming in early not making it as far as the group stages.

 

8 matches before you make the group stages.

 

Meanwhile - a team can lose their one tie in the CL qualifying round and still make the playoff stage of qualification for group stage in Europa, or worse still lose the CL playoff round and inherit a group place in the EL anyway.

 

The format is a nonsense.

[Ray Gin]

The parachuting of Champions League teams into the UEFA Cup after they've been knocked out is a farce.

[Fort Vallance]

Are hibs the only 2nd tier team in the competition?

There's another Scottish team that have never played in their country's top tier yet.

[jambogemz]

The parachuting of Champions League teams into the UEFA Cup after they've been knocked out is a farce.

Absolutely. It's a devalued competition when this happens.

[cheetah]

There's another Scottish team that have never played in their country's top tier yet.

 

 

They are not in Europe though.

[John Findlay]

There was a time when I wanted all Scottish clubs to do well in Europe. I am old enough to remember when Hibs had fantastic ties against Juventus, Leeds and Liverpool in the 70s. Fair few Hearts supporters attended the home legs.

Now it's all changed. Why?

 

For me a combination of things. Uefa and therefore by association the SFA and FA pandering to the perceived big clubs or G14 as they were once known. By introducing co-efficient, which has lead to seedings which in turn has lead to the Champions and runners up, runners up, runners up league and the Europe League. Starting European competitions in June is a total nonsense.

Then in Scotland there is the big two from Glasgow who like to operate a closed shop as in no-one apart from us is allowed to qualify for the aforementioned Champions league. Though who at a drop of a hat would depart from Scottish football if they had access to richer pickings else where. They genuinely don't give a shit for Scottish football but we are expected to bend over and take it up the arse from them in the meantime. We want this we want that. We will take the lion's share of all TV monies and anything else that is going. Bollocks to them two I hope they get Rogered senseless every game regardless of their opposition.

Hibs. Their hate of us has gone beyond parody. Hope Brondy tear them apart.

Mutton molesters. As for Hibs.

It shouldn't be how I feel but, football has changed for the worst these past 20 years European wise that it is definitely now only Hearts and Hearts only.

[DG_HMFC]

As much as I hate them, the fact Celtic have to qualify for the groups is a joke. They won their league, so should automatically be right in to the group stages.

 

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[Heartsmad1874]

Has a team ever entered at the first round like us and got to the group stages?

Was done last season by both Rosenborg and Qabala i think, Very tough ask though

 

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[Stanley_]

Are hibs the only 2nd tier team in the competition?

 

Zurich are second tier as well.  Relegated last season but won the Swiss Cup.  They go straight into the group stages.

[Bazzas right boot]

Hope Celtic get pumped to Europa league.

Hope the rest get to the 3rd/4th stage at least, then Aberdeen and hibs to get pumped out, we march on to group stage.

 

Bronby will probably knock hibs out with a few too spare, Aberdeen and ourselves will surely progress.

 

Allot is made of this teams result v west ham, we had a draw at anfield, doesn't mean we're marching in to the semi finals, we shouldn't get beat of a Maltese team who ended up third in thier league.

[Bazzas right boot]

There's another Scottish team that have never played in their country's top tier yet.

You'll offend them, their a British team!

[Hearts Heritage]

6 teams have made it through from qualifying round 1

 

Fulham    2012

Internazionale    2013

Twente (Enschede)    2013
Rosenborg    2013

Qabala FK    2016
Rosenborg    2016

[Mr Rabbit]

6 teams have made it through from qualifying round 1

 

Fulham 2012

Internazionale 2013

Twente (Enschede) 2013

Rosenborg 2013

Qabala FK 2016

Rosenborg 2016

So you're saying our chances are high....

[Jambo 4 Ever]

Which teams could we potentially meet in the 3rd qualifying round?

[Heartsmad1874]

Full list of clubs although these will be shortened to about 4 or 5 on the morning of the draw

 

AZ Alkmaar

Genk/Buducnost Podgorica

Lille

Saint Etienne

Gent

Krasnodar

Rapid Wien

Slovan Liberec

Maribor/Levski Sofia

Kairat/Maccabi Tel Aviv

Spartak Moscow

Austria Vienna/Kukesi

Partizan/Zaglebie Lubin

West Ham

Hertha Berlin

Panathinaikos

Midtjylland/Vaduz

Rijeka

Sassuolo

Rio Ave

Vorksla Poltava

Maccabi Haifa/Nomme Kaliju

Beroe Stara Zagora/HJK Helsinki

CMS Iasi/Hajduk Split

Arouca

Apollon Limassol

Mlada Boleslav

Dinamo Minsk/St Patricks

Beitar Jerusalem/Omonia

 

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[Irufushi]

Wouldn't fancy us against many of those teams tbh.

[RudiHMFC]

Boleslav, Hajduk Split, Omonia Nicosia, Rijeka, Vorksla and possibly the Portugese mobs I'd give us a chance.

[Bazzas right boot]

Full list of clubs although these will be shortened to about 4 or 5 on the morning of the draw

 

AZ Alkmaar

Genk/Buducnost Podgorica

Lille

Saint Etienne

Gent

Krasnodar

Rapid Wien

Slovan Liberec

Maribor/Levski Sofia

Kairat/Maccabi Tel Aviv

Spartak Moscow

Austria Vienna/Kukesi

Partizan/Zaglebie Lubin

West Ham

Hertha Berlin

Panathinaikos

Midtjylland/Vaduz

Rijeka

Sassuolo

Rio Ave

Vorksla Poltava

Maccabi Haifa/Nomme Kaliju

Beroe Stara Zagora/HJK Helsinki

CMS Iasi/Hajduk Split

Arouca

Apollon Limassol

Mlada Boleslav

Dinamo Minsk/St Patricks

Beitar Jerusalem/Omonia

 

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With a lucky draw, we might have a good chance, although some of the teams are a good level and we would be in danger of taking a whopping.

[Heartsmad1874]

With a lucky draw, we might have a good chance, although some of the teams are a good level and we would be in danger of taking a whopping.

Think if we can get someone like HJK Helsinki we could do them over two legs but if we get a big hitter like Saint Etienne its au revoir

[tynietigers]

As I have said before, anybody that wins their top flight league in all of Europe should be rewarded with a champions league place, it is that simple. Letting teams that finish in 3fd & 4th is a complete joke. And this if you feck up in the Champions league we will give you another go shit just takes the whole fun/chance of other teams trying to make a name for themselves

[Dayman]

There's three qualifying round and then a play off round.

so 4 rounds till the group stages

 

This is a nae bad site

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2016.html

 

Shows the clubs and the co-efficients, including if teams have benefitted from beating the oppositions seeding i.e. MTK Budapest have a co-efficient of 2.475, but because they beat FK Aktobe (8.075) they now inherit the 8.075 for round two and will play Gabala

We beat Rijeka in the 3rd round, take their seeding and then are the seeded team playing against one of the bottom unseeded teams... boom hearts are in the group stages!

[Heartsmad1874]

We beat Rijeka in the 3rd round, take their seeding and then are the seeded team playing against one of the bottom unseeded teams... boom hearts are in the group stages!

Happy days if that was how it works mate but in the play off round the draw is a day after the 2nd leg of the Third Round so therefore if we got Rijeka and beat them we'd still be unseeded

 

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[milky_26]

We beat Rijeka in the 3rd round, take their seeding and then are the seeded team playing against one of the bottom unseeded teams... boom hearts are in the group stages!

wrong, we would not take their seeding for the 4th/playoff round

[Dayman]

6 teams have made it through from qualifying round 1

 

Fulham 2012

Internazionale 2013

Twente (Enschede) 2013

Rosenborg 2013

Qabala FK 2016

Rosenborg 2016

Let's hope robbies been on the phone to the Rosenberg manager...!

4/5 of those teams had no right being inthe first qualifying rounds to be honest. It would be interesting to find out why.

[Dayman]

wrong, we would not take their seeding for the 4th/playoff round

Ah you're right! Oh well! Just have to get lucky and get the lesser teams in both rounds I suppose.

[Heartsmad1874]

Let's hope robbies been on the phone to the Rosenberg manager...!

4/5 of those teams had no right being inthe first qualifying rounds to be honest. It would be interesting to find out why.

Fulham,Twente and i think Rosenborg were in the 1st round because of the Fair Play system Uefa used to run scrapped it this year not sure why.

 

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[Ferryjambo99]

There's another Scottish team that have never played in their country's top tier yet.

Wonder who

[Ferryjambo99]

Zurich are second tier as well. Relegated last season but won the Swiss Cup. They go straight into the group stages.

Thanks

[TNCASTLE]

Agree that Hibs have no chance, but my preference would be that that they fluke their way through in ridiculous circumstances to play-off before going out to a cricket score. While being made to travel as far as possible, eating into any financial gain made from being in Europe.

I think Hibs will surprise, generally the quality in Scotland has lifted a bit in recent years. I suspect they will run Brondby close and might even get through. I also expect us, Aberdeen and Celtic to progress to the next stages. That would have a very positive hit on the coefficient.

[La_Leyenda]

A lot of people on here wanting Rijeka because Aberdeen beat them last year, but they have very impressive home record in Europe and have a higher seeding for a reason.

 

They've only lost 3 European home games in 16 years (that's 3 defeats in 22 games). That includes beating Feyenoord and Standard Liege two tears ago and drawing with Sevilla.

 

They finished second in the league last season, losing just one game all season.

 

I for one wouldn't want Aberdeen to face them again.