Bauld Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 There seems to be a lot of people on here with an opinion on where the mistakes have been made this season. As far as I'm concerned 3rd is fine achievement and look forward to seeing how we recruit over the summer. Formations, instructions, player rotation etc etc etc. So now that the season is essentially done. Taking it from the players we had after January what would you have done? Players, formations, style? How would you have gone about winning us games that differed from the approach we took? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mr fox Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Settled 442 us our best formation always has been Play the same team and stick with it There is no other team that chops and changes like this what is Robbie playing at Very grateful for our achievements last year but neilson can't take us forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdannyb Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 You're Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Still think Neilson can improve us. Would like to see him play a more settled team though, agree with those who think he tinkers too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Play to the teams/players strengths and don't try and shoehorn them into a style/system that doesn't suit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Alexander Rossi- stay back Souttar Oz- possibly Blaz for when we are playing against a big lump up front for his Ariel strength Paterson- freedom to run, Kitchen to cover Kitchen- in front of the back 4 Buaben- swap with Sam/ Cowie when required Djoum-in the middle Walker- swap with king when required, Reilly- run about pressure defenders make space for Djoum, Walker etc Junama swap with Dauda if having a mare Master tactics Reilly to press high, go out and score more goals than the other team. Rossi, Souttar, Kitchen and Oz to be defensive, Bauben to be box to box, Djoum to support Walker, Reilly, Junama with Paterson giving further width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Taking it from the players we had after January what would you have done? For me it was always going to be hard when we lost Sow and that Dauda was not a suitable replacement. Bring on next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Robbie can improve us, if he couldnt he wouldnt still be in the job. He is learning as he goes. There will be a point where we outgrow him or perhaps he even outgrows us, but that's not right now. He should have dropped Sam and tried Reilly wide, his energy and enthusiasm is an example to all. Other than that he should have allowed players like paterson to push forward as often as he likes and not have him shackled in his own half at times. I'd have given Jack Hamilton a few more games by now. I would not have let King go out on loan, that had a damaging effect on our squad. He should have taught walker how to take a corner that isnt an easy to defend floaty type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Alexander Souttar Ozturk Rossi Paterson Oshaniawa Kitchen Djoum Walker Reilly Juanma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Irufushi Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 3 at the back can gtf. 442, settled team. Away from home against better opposition 451. Sounds simple, it is simple. Let teams worry about us instead of the constant tinkering to combat the threat of Hamilton or killie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Hire Jim Daubney as a coach and wear these - The league will be ours next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KineticBeat Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Alexander Souttar Ozturk Rossi Paterson Oshaniawa Kitchen Djoum Walker Reilly Juanma I would play either this formation or a 4-1-4-1 with: Alexander Paterson Ozturk Souttar Rossi Kitchen Walker Buaben Djoum Nicholson/Cowie Juanma The 4-1-4-1 is what I would mostly be playing as Rossi has had injury/suspension troubles and I don't think Augustyn works in a back 3. If you look it at its basically what Neilson has been trying to play. In the summer I would focus on a first team left back, winger to replace the Nicholson/Cowie slot and midfielder for Buaben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Great question and positive as well (Thankfully). First of alI I think we have the makings of a very good team. Really encouraged with signings like Souttar, Djoum and Kitchen (who was outstanding on Saturday) What I would change is the temptation to play players in different positions. Let's play 4 at back. Let's play Souttar in middle (he's not a RB). Keeping the same players we could have a great back 4 of Patterson, Souttar, Ozturk and Rossi. With Kitchen sitting in front we could be rock solid at back. I think if we get the backline settled we can play with greater freedom further forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KineticBeat Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Robbie can improve us, if he couldnt he wouldnt still be in the job. He is learning as he goes. There will be a point where we outgrow him or perhaps he even outgrows us, but that's not right now. He should have dropped Sam and tried Reilly wide, his energy and enthusiasm is an example to all. Other than that he should have allowed players like paterson to push forward as often as he likes and not have him shackled in his own half at times. I'd have given Jack Hamilton a few more games by now. I would not have let King go out on loan, that had a damaging effect on our squad. He should have taught walker how to take a corner that isnt an easy to defend floaty type. IIRC at the start of the season we were putting Reilly wide and he wasn't really doing much. It was only when we put him in the centre v Celtic where we saw the performances that are making as all want him to start for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beijingandrew Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Fast counter attacking play. Rossi Soutar Ozturk and Paterson at the back. Paterson playing as a wing back. Left CM Buaben - box to box. Kitchen right cm winning the ball and covering Paterson. CM Djoum just in front of Kitchen and slightly to the right of centre linking up with Paterson and the attack. Main playmaker in the team. Nicholson wide on the left. Inside forward cutting in and looking to set up Walker/Juanma or shoot. Walker, just behind Juanma and very slightly left of centre. Helping Juanma close down the defenders. Juanma - cf making a nuisance for himself. Getting on the end of Paterson's crosses and playing in Walker, Nicholson and Djoum. I'm basically Guardiola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tackle Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 You're* Had to edit your correction of the op's mistake I would stop tinkering with the team so much. And go back to how we played in the first 5 matches before we shat the bed and employed this "game management" nonsense. OK results matter but I want some excitement. I'm not a phoodle out proponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee! Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Play with 2 strikers. Play to our strengths and let teams worry about us. Why worry about the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Oz- possibly Blaz for when we are playing against a big lump up front for his Ariel strength Does he wash the kits too? More of a Bold man myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@VladMagic Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 He's had a good season in my opinion bar a few frustrating games. Some where I think he was accountable for the losses and others when the players let him down so a mix of both. I think next season will see a more settled starting 11 so changes only when forced either via suspension or injuries. We are close to a really decent side and have proven on many occasions we can play very attractive football. Fitness: Has been excellent so I expect same come start of new season. 10/10 Discipline: Poor but some questionable refereeing decisions means we have had far more red cards than we deserved. 5/10 Shape: At times looked great then 7 days later all over the place. Less tinkering so the players learn and get used to the shape of the team. 4/10 Tactics: Really mixed bag again sometimes brilliant and then next game change in formation and its woeful. 4/4/2 is without doubt our best formation. 5/10 Motivation: Hard to tell. Players look up for it at the start of the game but lose it when things dont go according to plan. Think a stronger more vocal captain would sort this. 5/10 Transfer activity: Still think Osh and Dauda will find their game. More and more there are signs of improvement. Players brought in and existing squad will get better when shape/tactics of the team are improved. 1.5 mill for Sow excellent! 7/10 Press: Humble, eloquent, intelligent, well spoken. Handles the press beautifully and represents the Club well. 9/10 Overall: Been discussed to death. A real marmite manager. Frustrating at times with decisions and formations but overall a decent season. If we hadn't lost to Hibs im pretty sure there would be less anti Neilson comments but we lost so we take it. 6.5/10 I would like to see him find a more settled approach to management. Appoint a new club captain. Trust the players more and give them a formation and shape they are happy with. I would like to see him change things only when necessary and install a better attitude in terms of discipline. In other words STFU with back chat to refs and no silly bookings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Does he wash the kits too? More of a Bold man myself. Non bio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Persilnel question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Alexander Paterson Ozturk © Rossi Oshaniwa (I haven't written him off, left final judgement to next season if he is poor I'll join the NEW LB brigade but i feel the areas which need to be addressed as priority are attack) NEW RIGHT WINGER Kitchen Djoum NEW LEFT WINGER NEW CF/PLAYMAKER NEW ST Bench: Juanma, NEW RB TO PUSH CALUM, Souttar, Nicholson, Reilly, Cowie, NEW GK (Hamilton on loan for the season) I believe Walker will be sold, possibly either King or Nicholson to go too - I expect one out of the 3 of them will still be with us, difficult to say who that will be. I think the evidence has shown that the team can't be built around the 3 of them as many of us hoped to see, due to their inconsisency which will no longer be acceptable next year we need attackers who can deliver every week. 4-4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 He's had a good season in my opinion bar a few frustrating games. Some where I think he was accountable for the losses and others when the players let him down so a mix of both. I think next season will see a more settled starting 11 so changes only when forced either via suspension or injuries. We are close to a really decent side and have proven on many occasions we can play very attractive football. Fitness: Has been excellent so I expect same come start of new season. 10/10 Discipline: Poor but some questionable refereeing decisions means we have had far more red cards than we deserved. 5/10 Shape: At times looked great then 7 days later all over the place. Less tinkering so the players learn and get used to the shape of the team. 4/10 Tactics: Really mixed bag again sometimes brilliant and then next game change in formation and its woeful. 4/4/2 is without doubt our best formation. 5/10 Motivation: Hard to tell. Players look up for it at the start of the game but lose it when things dont go according to plan. Think a stronger more vocal captain would sort this. 5/10 Transfer activity: Still think Osh and Dauda will find their game. More and more there are signs of improvement. Players brought in and existing squad will get better when shape/tactics of the team are improved. 1.5 mill for Sow excellent! 7/10 Press: Humble, eloquent, intelligent, well spoken. Handles the press beautifully and represents the Club well. 9/10 Overall: Been discussed to death. A real marmite manager. Frustrating at times with decisions and formations but overall a decent season. If we hadn't lost to Hibs im pretty sure there would be less anti Neilson comments but we lost so we take it. 6.5/10 I would like to see him find a more settled approach to management. Appoint a new club captain. Trust the players more and give them a formation and shape they are happy with. I would like to see him change things only when necessary and install a better attitude in terms of discipline. In other words STFU with back chat to refs and no silly bookings. Regarding fitness I have yet to see us look less tired than our opponents late on in games.Not convinced we are 10/10 fitness wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 In an ideal world, teams would not press us and we could play direct football on the floor i.e. 6-0 vs Motherwell Alexander Paterson Ozturk Souttar Rossi Nicholson Kitchen Djoum Walker Reilly Juanma Otherwise, I'd like to see us attack and press teams like we did against Aberdeen in the cup. The fans were up for it, Tynecastle was rocking, the opposition looked like rabbits in headlights and our players looked like they were enjoying themselves! If we did that every week, we'd get that feel-good factor of winning every game, just like the beginning of this season and the majority of last season. We need to stop by-passing our midfield. We've got great technical players who can only perform at their best when we're not hoofing a ball over their heads. We're never going to win every game, referees in Scotland for one are too shite and give horrendous decisions week in, week out but I'd like to see teams like Hamilton afraid to play us, not get a confidence boost because we're not trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Apologies, mis read the OP thought we were on about changes for next season from the players we've had since January. In the time since January I can't say if there is a huge amount which could have been done differently given how many of our results have been caused by a lack of clinical attackers and by some tough injuries at the back leading to constant re-jigging, I would certainly have given Reilly a lot more game time but it seems from training he has not done enough to merit a place. I would also have definitely kept king, Nicholson has gone right off the boil without a direct competitor for his spot I consider that to be the biggest mistake of the season. Perhaps we could have played more attacking football in some away games but at the end of the day the draw at ICT secured European football even though it was not a good performance it proved a very valuable point. The rest of the games since have seemed almost bounce games for some of the players, I'd definitely have continued with smith I'm still scratching my head as to why he was dropped since parkhead, and there must be other young lads knocking. Surely the mcghee-souttar partnership which was excellent at Ross county should have been given another run out, hope to see that before the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Played Reilly more We played okay in spell Dec\Jan when he played. He pulls defences around and disrupts. Defences have been far too comfortable. Would give rest.of team more options. But that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Try to play football, rather than try to stop the opposition playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Alexander Paterson Ozturk Souttar Rossi Kitchen Bauben Walker Djoum Nicholson Juanma As things stand but I think we need at least 5 new signings in the summer if we are serious about closing the gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Up the tempo. Far too pedestrian at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith&Weston Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 New GK Paterson Ozturk Soutter New LB Kitchen New CM Djoum Walker New CF New CF 5 new starters Back-up New RM Alexander Rossi Nicholson Juanma Smith Zanatta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboJohn1874 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Played Reilly more We played okay in spell Dec\Jan when he played. He pulls defences around and disrupts. Defences have been far too comfortable. Would give rest.of team more options. But that's all. He doesn't score goals so as a forward he is pointless. Lets get someone who can and do the work. Reilly can go with Neilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Neilson Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'd probably start with not shiting it from Hibs and sitting on our own 18 yard line for 45 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 He doesn't score goals so as a forward he is pointless. Lets get someone who can and do the work. Reilly can go with Neilson You keeping Stokes next season? Arguably how you've gone to shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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