Snedds76 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Every game regardless off who we're are playing, it's no rocket science and Reilly should start with 1 other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 It looks like we are using these games to experiment for next season rather than go for 2nd. It's the only explanation I can come up with for how some of the players are being asked to play and how Reilly isn't starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 If we're being experimental then we shouldnt be playing our near strongest team. The entire bench should have started in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Every game regardless off who we're are playing, it's no rocket science and Reilly should start with 1 other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would also start with Reilly and A.N. Other up front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snedds76 Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 I would also start with Reilly and A.N. Other up front Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Hearts Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 When Sow departed I would have thought the simple thing to do would have been to bring Jaunma in to form a partnership with Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Every game regardless off who we're are playing, it's no rocket science and Reilly should start with 1 other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not 2 up front Snedds, will never work!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 We need to play a system that suits the players we have at our disposal rather than trying to fit the players into a system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr fox Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 The players are constantly moved from one system to another and one position to another ..... This will never result in a sustained period of success Tinkering is beyond a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Oh God! The days of Locke never cease to amaze! As for Reilly, he runs around a lot and doesn't score many goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Unlikely as we look to safety in numbers in the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Neilson was trying to say in the papers today that he started with a 3-5-2 formation.What he actually started with was a 3-6-1 formation!! One man up, Cowie our wide right, no Paterson, no Reilly, and everybody behind the ball - at home against a pish poor Celtic team! FFS he had nothing to lose! Not for the first time this season we put in a shocking first half IMO due to Robbie's tinkering and negative formation. It was only when he put Paterson on, another attacker on, and switched to a positive 4-4-2 formation that we got into the game. I have fully supported Robbie this season, however I am becoming totally pissed off with his boring tactics. Something is gonna have to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texia Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Every time we lose a couple of games. Git 2 up top. Stoap pissing about in midfield we need goalllzzz. Couple poor performances and 17000 people think there managers, baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Talk on here of Reilly starting next season. I hear the sentiment but frankly I am hoping we sign two brand new, shiny and significantly better strikers than we have at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Neilson was trying to say in the papers today that he started with a 3-5-2 formation. What he actually started with was a 3-6-1 formation!! One man up, Cowie our wide right, no Paterson, no Reilly, and everybody behind the ball - at home against a pish poor Celtic team! FFS he had nothing to lose! Not for the first time this season we put in a shocking first half IMO due to Robbie's tinkering and negative formation. It was only when he put Paterson on, another attacker on, and switched to a positive 4-4-2 formation that we got into the game. I have fully supported Robbie this season, however I am becoming totally pissed off with his boring tactics. Something is gonna have to change. Bang on. The worrying thing for me is if we take the current approach against this Celtic side, what are we going to do when they inevitably improve over the summer before we next play them. We've hardly laid a glove on them in 5 games this season. We've shown them far more respect than any other team has this season. The dropped points they've had this season are hardly down to us and our positive approach against them. The "promoted team" line can't be wheeled out next season thankfully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Every time we lose a couple of games. Git 2 up top. Stoap pissing about in midfield we need goalllzzz. Couple poor performances and 17000 people think there managers, baffling. How do you feel about the approach taken on Saturday out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Every time we lose a couple of games. Git 2 up top. Stoap pissing about in midfield we need goalllzzz. Couple poor performances and 17000 people think there managers, baffling. Aye right then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Talk on here of Reilly starting next season. I hear the sentiment but frankly I am hoping we sign two brand new, shiny and significantly better strikers than we have at the club. Well if that is the case why is Neilson not playing him to - 1. Give him experience in the first team 2. Build up his confidence 3. Give him a run of games to see if he is the man for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 The players are constantly moved from one system to another and one position to another ..... This will never result in a sustained period of success Tinkering is beyond a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Texia Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 How do you feel about the approach taken on Saturday out of interest?I thought it was the right approach. It worked at Celtic park until again some more inexperience based defensive errors cost us goals. He then changed it at the right time after a half of it not working and we came into the game. Then defensive errors cost us again because we're inexperienced and Celtic are clinical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Every game regardless off who we're are playing, it's no rocket science and Reilly should start with 1 other. Spot on, keep it simple Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I thought it was the right approach. It worked at Celtic park until again some more inexperience based defensive errors cost us goals. He then changed it at the right time after a half of it not working and we came into the game. Then defensive errors cost us again because we're inexperienced and Celtic are clinical. Based on our totally inept performance in the first half it was patently the WRONG approach! Again Neilson over thinking his tactics. How many games this season has he tinkered about with the starting line up, then had to change to a conventional formation - the first game at Dens was a perfect example. Irrespective of the defensive errors in the 2nd half, at least we were in the game playing an attacking 4-4-2 formation - just for feckin once why can't Robbie have a go??? We had NOTHING to lose FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texia Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Based on our totally inept performance in the first half it was patently the WRONG approach! Again Neilson over thinking his tactics. How many games this season has he tinkered about with the starting line up, then had to change to a conventional formation - the first game at Dens was a perfect example. Irrespective of the defensive errors in the 2nd half, at least we were in the game playing an attacking 4-4-2 formation - just for feckin once why can't Robbie have a go??? We had NOTHING to lose FFS. Capatalising words doesn't mean your right. He went with something that worked before. I think you would have found a negative you could spin about him even if we'd won yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Capatalising words doesn't mean your right. He went with something that worked before. I think you would have found a negative you could spin about him even if we'd won yesterday. "Capatalising" certainly isn't the right word..... "Something that worked before"?? We lost that game 3-1. We lost the game on Saturday 3-1. Great. As for your last sentence - do one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texia Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 "Capatalising" certainly isn't the right word..... "Something that worked before"?? We lost that game 3-1. We lost the game on Saturday 3-1. Great. As for your last sentence - do one. A slight mispelling, still the point stands. Again momentary defensive errors from a young defence, not the systems fault. So you would have then? Nice to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Drifter Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Every game regardless off who we're are playing, it's no rocket science and Reilly should start with 1 other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not sure Reilly's the answer to any of our problems up front though I will admit that the previous home game against Celtic was one of his best in a Hearts shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 A slight mispelling, still the point stands. Again momentary defensive errors from a young defence, not the systems fault. So you would have then? Nice to know. Just a bit banter mate I agree there were two bad errors - however the "system" he started with was a disaster. We were totally out of balance, no threat and a goal down. I have always supported Neilson and I am certainly not calling for his head. I am happy that he stays and we will see what next season brings, however I have to say I am reaching the conclusion that his ingrained defensive philosophy will not take this Club to where we want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 442 has merit, but is a system that is currently out of fashion in world football for a reason. If playing wingers, or even one winger, it is very easy to get overloaded in midfield (or down one flank if playing asymmetrically). Against Celtic, we often lose the midfield battle (partly because the rules are different when it comes to tackling). I think most of us would want 3 midfielders in there against Celtic. In retrospect, two wingers might have been a better idea. Dropping Buaben would either force Djoum to play holding or leave Kitchen with three men to mark at times (counterattacks, etc). He's good, but he's not that good. The old 442 diamond often struggles against modern 4-5-1. We would need another hyper mobile midfielder to either play the Hartley role (with Djoum narrow right), or another box to box type to play narrow right midfield and allow Djoum in behind the strikers. We don't have that player at present. A flat 442 leaves big gaps between the lines and makes it hard to play the ball out, isolates the forwards and leaves the midfield outnumbered IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 It's simple. Play 4-4-2 and you will win all of your games by three or four goals. It's incredible that more teams don't do it as you are guaranteed success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Formations alone do not win you games. Hard work as a team with no passengers is how you win games. We have passengers in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Formations alone do not win you games. Hard work as a team with no passengers is how you win games. We have passengers in every game. Agreed - not alone. But a vital part none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 It's simple. Play 4-4-2 and you will win all of your games by three or four goals. It's incredible that more teams don't do it as you are guaranteed success. Good try Ray. 4-4-2 can never guarantee success. One thing that could be guaranteed is if Neilson had stuck with that set up he started with on Saturday we would never have got back in the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Not many big clubs opt for the 4-4-2 nowadays and I am not a fan of saying this is what we must always play. I think we should set up to what suits our players. Trouble is after a whole SPL season I am none the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Not many big clubs opt for the 4-4-2 nowadays and I am not a fan of saying this is what we must always play. I think we should set up to what suits our players. Trouble is after a whole SPL season I am none the wiser. Neither is Robbie...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Neither is Robbie...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KineticBeat Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I don't think 4-4-2 is the answer as I don't think it would let us get the best out of Walker which is important as our only good stretch of form in 2016 so far was when he was on fire. Sticking him out wide as our one winger (which is how we would play 4-4-2) isn't the answer. It worked when we played is during the winter as Reilly and Sow formed a good partnership which complimented the other's skills (we didn't see that when Reilly and Juanma played together). Also Nicholson was still playing well then whilst operating as our one winger and his current form says he wouldn't be able to repeat that play right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 A lot of how a formation works can be down to playing the right personel. Getting it wrong leads to uncertainty and a disjointed look. If it's a 4-4-2 because you want to work the opposition defence but also turn it quickly back to a defensive formation, I'd have thought one of your strikers needs to be a good worker who can drop back in to close down. This worked quite well for me when we played Reilly along with another up top. Reilly's energy and workrate allowed him to chase down balls even when a move broke down and we lost possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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