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WATP to me means We Are Tax Payers,I wonder what happened to those hard working people.

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Fifty years of fighting.

 

As today is New Year's day it is as good a time as any to look back and see where we were as a club fifty years ago. It goes without saying that things were very different, but do we really appreciate just how different times were? Fifty years ago a Rangers supporter could say what he wanted, sing what he wanted and within reason, do what he wanted.

Contrast that with today's sinister atmosphere of Big Brother and Scotland's very own thought police who have Rangers constantly in their sights.

 

Fifty years ago Rangers was a hugely respected football club both within and without Scotland. Its players and officials from the patrician John Lawrence right down to the ball boys embodied the Scottish Protestant work ethic, where self discipline and fair play were the name of the game. The stories about Rangers players observing a strict dress code were not just stories but true in fact. Even sartorial elegance was important at Rangers, the message was clear to one and all, don't besmirch the name of the club. Those few Rangers players who transgressed the rules were promptly sent on their way without any further ado.

 

The typical Rangers fan was a white working class Protestant. He would have been employed meaningfully in actually making real things, unlike the mickey mouse 'service industries" which now make up so much of our present day economy. Rangers meant hard graft, honest sweat and a release of pent up energy on a Saturday (every Saturday) and at three o' clock!. The impact of Skye was nowhere in sight as the football authorities and clubs determined when and where they would play, rather than some faceless executive of a multi-national communication business.

There was no Scottish assembly nor was there the array of pressure groups which abound in modern Scotland, many of which seem to have a hatred of Rangers as their sole raison d'etre. Furthermore, there was no rapid tele communication, when just having a heavy black telephone in your house seen as a sign of affluence in a sea of poverty.

The internet has given rise to a series of bloggers (mainly strange obsessed individuals who spend much of their sad existence following the fortunes of a club they hate) who had they been located fifty years ago would have been institutionalized for the good and safety of society.

 

There was a tacit understanding then that Rangers were the natural leaders, their size and achievements put everybody firmly in their place. All clubs feared and envied Rangers, their will power and sheer determination to win seen as the template for others to copy.

 

Within the Scottish media respect was afforded to Rangers, this was a time when Scottish journalists wrote about they saw, rather then what they wanted to see. Any attempt to blacken the name of Rangers would be met face on by John Lawrence and his associates and given short shrift.

 

And Celtic? They were nothing, constantly humiliated. The average Celtic supporter who 'sought' work had few educational qualifications and worked (if he felt inclined) as an unskilled labourer. Managerial and supervisory posts were way beyond his reach. Lack of a decent education rather than religious discrimination was therefore the reason for his plight. Catholics were disproportionately over represented in the prison population and unemployment benefit claimants.

Catholics sought a separate apartheid form of education which entrenched their suspicions and fears of mainstream Scottish society. In self-imposed isolation they viewed Rangers with a curious mixture of hatred and admiration.It was here at this embryonic stage, that the future generations of Bernadettes and Declans would roll of the bigoted assembly line ready to subvert the very society which had fed, clothed and educated them.

 

Rangers held the whip hand in the fifties and sixties. So what went wrong? Two things in my opinion. Society changed rapidly especially in the eighties and nineties. Society lost a lot of belief and faith in the nation's institutions. The church lost its way and that was most evident than in the Kirk. The descendants of Calvin and Knox should hold their heads in shame. From a robust defender of the faith, the nation's church was bequeathed to a group of limp wristed apologists who sought to 'accommodate' other faiths. At a political level, the once strong Conservative AND unionist party of Scotland shrunk to zero. Aligned to this was an alarming rise in the SNP, the republican wing of Celtic. Their aim was simple, break up the union and get full independence. For this to happen, you have to have two groups of people doing two different things. One group does nothing, switches off either through apathy or ignorance, unaware of what is unfolding before their very eyes. It is to this group that most of my anger is directed towards because they have betrayed their heritage and legacy.

The other group is the complete opposite, they have a very clear but narrow agenda with fixed objectives. Get political control at local level with the district council. When that is achieved move onto the national stage. To achieve these political objectives they realized that control of the media is necessary. Institutions like the BBC which was once largely neutral in sporting matters has adopted an active anti-Rangers agenda. At local radio the effect is equally corrosive with the constant drip drip of anti-Rangers bile. The number of hostile 'journalists' in the written medium seems to have mushroomed in recent years. The catholic university educated intelligencia has coupled itself to the liberal media in one hell of an unholy alliance. So what is their overriding agenda?

 

Nothing less than the total destruction of Rangers football club, there can be no other possible explanation for their concerted, merciless pursuit of Rangers football. Their hatred of our great club precludes any rational analysis on their part. This is not paranoia, we leave that to others! It has been gratifying that finally a large number of Rangers supporters have belatedly woken up to their game. No where was that seen more than last Sunday's game at Ibrox against Hibs. The atmosphere generated by the crowd really did evoke the grand days of the sixties when the anthems were sung with gusto and passion. Make no mistake, they heard the lion roar and they shat themselves. What other possible explanation could there be for the amount of critical articles that came out like rats crawling from a sewer.

 

We are very much alive and well and reports of our demise have been exaggerated.Roll on 2116 when Rangers will be the only show in town. Have a goo New Year, and yes we are the people!

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WATP to me means We Are Tax Payers,I wonder what happened to those hard working people.

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Fifty years of fighting.

 

As today is New Year's day it is as good a time as any to look back and see where we were as a club fifty years ago. It goes without saying that things were very different, but do we really appreciate just how different times were? Fifty years ago a Rangers supporter could say what he wanted, sing what he wanted and within reason, do what he wanted.

Contrast that with today's sinister atmosphere of Big Brother and Scotland's very own thought police who have Rangers constantly in their sights.

 

Fifty years ago Rangers was a hugely respected football club both within and without Scotland. Its players and officials from the patrician John Lawrence right down to the ball boys embodied the Scottish Protestant work ethic, where self discipline and fair play were the name of the game. The stories about Rangers players observing a strict dress code were not just stories but true in fact. Even sartorial elegance was important at Rangers, the message was clear to one and all, don't besmirch the name of the club. Those few Rangers players who transgressed the rules were promptly sent on their way without any further ado.

 

The typical Rangers fan was a white working class Protestant. He would have been employed meaningfully in actually making real things, unlike the mickey mouse 'service industries" which now make up so much of our present day economy. Rangers meant hard graft, honest sweat and a release of pent up energy on a Saturday (every Saturday) and at three o' clock!. The impact of Skye was nowhere in sight as the football authorities and clubs determined when and where they would play, rather than some faceless executive of a multi-national communication business.

There was no Scottish assembly nor was there the array of pressure groups which abound in modern Scotland, many of which seem to have a hatred of Rangers as their sole raison d'etre. Furthermore, there was no rapid tele communication, when just having a heavy black telephone in your house seen as a sign of affluence in a sea of poverty.

The internet has given rise to a series of bloggers (mainly strange obsessed individuals who spend much of their sad existence following the fortunes of a club they hate) who had they been located fifty years ago would have been institutionalized for the good and safety of society.

 

There was a tacit understanding then that Rangers were the natural leaders, their size and achievements put everybody firmly in their place. All clubs feared and envied Rangers, their will power and sheer determination to win seen as the template for others to copy.

 

Within the Scottish media respect was afforded to Rangers, this was a time when Scottish journalists wrote about they saw, rather then what they wanted to see. Any attempt to blacken the name of Rangers would be met face on by John Lawrence and his associates and given short shrift.

 

And Celtic? They were nothing, constantly humiliated. The average Celtic supporter who 'sought' work had few educational qualifications and worked (if he felt inclined) as an unskilled labourer. Managerial and supervisory posts were way beyond his reach. Lack of a decent education rather than religious discrimination was therefore the reason for his plight. Catholics were disproportionately over represented in the prison population and unemployment benefit claimants.

Catholics sought a separate apartheid form of education which entrenched their suspicions and fears of mainstream Scottish society. In self-imposed isolation they viewed Rangers with a curious mixture of hatred and admiration.It was here at this embryonic stage, that the future generations of Bernadettes and Declans would roll of the bigoted assembly line ready to subvert the very society which had fed, clothed and educated them.

 

Rangers held the whip hand in the fifties and sixties. So what went wrong? Two things in my opinion. Society changed rapidly especially in the eighties and nineties. Society lost a lot of belief and faith in the nation's institutions. The church lost its way and that was most evident than in the Kirk. The descendants of Calvin and Knox should hold their heads in shame. From a robust defender of the faith, the nation's church was bequeathed to a group of limp wristed apologists who sought to 'accommodate' other faiths. At a political level, the once strong Conservative AND unionist party of Scotland shrunk to zero. Aligned to this was an alarming rise in the SNP, the republican wing of Celtic. Their aim was simple, break up the union and get full independence. For this to happen, you have to have two groups of people doing two different things. One group does nothing, switches off either through apathy or ignorance, unaware of what is unfolding before their very eyes. It is to this group that most of my anger is directed towards because they have betrayed their heritage and legacy.

The other group is the complete opposite, they have a very clear but narrow agenda with fixed objectives. Get political control at local level with the district council. When that is achieved move onto the national stage. To achieve these political objectives they realized that control of the media is necessary. Institutions like the BBC which was once largely neutral in sporting matters has adopted an active anti-Rangers agenda. At local radio the effect is equally corrosive with the constant drip drip of anti-Rangers bile. The number of hostile 'journalists' in the written medium seems to have mushroomed in recent years. The catholic university educated intelligencia has coupled itself to the liberal media in one hell of an unholy alliance. So what is their overriding agenda?

 

Nothing less than the total destruction of Rangers football club, there can be no other possible explanation for their concerted, merciless pursuit of Rangers football. Their hatred of our great club precludes any rational analysis on their part. This is not paranoia, we leave that to others! It has been gratifying that finally a large number of Rangers supporters have belatedly woken up to their game. No where was that seen more than last Sunday's game at Ibrox against Hibs. The atmosphere generated by the crowd really did evoke the grand days of the sixties when the anthems were sung with gusto and passion. Make no mistake, they heard the lion roar and they shat themselves. What other possible explanation could there be for the amount of critical articles that came out like rats crawling from a sewer.

 

We are very much alive and well and reports of our demise have been exaggerated.Roll on 2116 when Rangers will be the only show in town. Have a goo New Year, and yes we are the people!

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Tiberius Stinkfinger

Well I can't fathom why anyone would dislike them.

 

:cornette: x many.

 

50 years ago you where 27.

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Im not even going to read that. Why post that shite on this forum.

For a laugh...Skye TV, Have a Goo New Year just for starters.:)

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Yes Rangers and Celtic fans were the class of Scottish Football, that is the special needs class.  Every bit as despicable then as they are now, mebbe even worse because there was no segregation, cowardly acts could be carried out with anonymity because of the density of the crowds.  Lots of policemen in attendance, stewards were the mostly elderly men who showed you to your seats in the main stand. Arrests were made with a realm of delicacy not seen nowadays, offenders were moved gently through the crowd to the wall at the track, the offender being slightly lower than the policeman on the track was assisted in climbing up to the track by the "friendly bobby" grabbing a handful of his manky hair, and with this convenient handle achieving the rescue effort.  He was then walked quietly through the tunnel to where he was again gently deposited in a police van to be conveyed to Torphichen Street police station, where quite often the friendly desk sergeant would give some counselling on future behaviour and the impropriety of advising the police officers that they were either papish illegitimates, or proddy illegitimates dependent on the team loyalty of the gentleman now a guest of the Edinburgh City Police.  They were different days with mutual respect shown by all, and appreciated by most.

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Jesus Christ. Wtf is the "Scottish protestant work ethic?" Laughable bigoted sectarian *****.

Apologies bud,just noticed it's a double post.
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132goals1958

I remember being taken to Ibrox and Parkhead with my uncle, much to my mother?s displeasure, who quite naturally had no time for any form of religious intolerance. That was over 60 years ago, and sadly the cultural malaise that encapsulated both sides of the Old Firm then remains alive and kicking.

 

 My first impressions way back then, were of a sinister and indefinable atmosphere that pervaded the air. Lots of paraphernalia including lapel badges, with Irish type emblems adorned old-fashioned scarves most of which had seen better days.

 

 

. Battle hymns were bellowed out and in those days both sides drew huge crowds particularly Ibrox. Whilst initially it was an intimidating atmosphere, I found it intriguing that somehow sport and sectarianism /bigotry was so closely intertwined.

 

The media in those days were averse to addressing the sectarian issue although the rivalry then was as much tied up in religion as it is today.

 

Sadly the sectarianism that manifests itself in the old firm rivalry allowed them to capture the market, a situation that is unique to Scottish football. Rangers and Celtic still have Scottish Football stitched up, predominantly but not wholly as a result of bigotry sewn into the fabric of both clubs. All the initiatives such as Bhoys against Bigotry and various Old Firm joint alliances is unlikely to disassociate them from sectarianism 

 

The one ray of light is that paradoxically their domestic supremacy may be their undoing. The demise of Rangers (long may it continue) has had an adverse effect on their bigot brother across the city and whilst it is unlikely a level playing field will ensue, it may at least narrow the gap.

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'There was a tacit understanding then that Rangers were the natural leaders, their size and achievements put everybody firmly in their place. All clubs feared and envied Rangers, their will power and sheer determination to win seen as the template for others to copy.'

 

:rofl:

 

Righto.

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Absolutely astonishing piece of text. The fact that they appear to directly associate their downfall with changes within the  "Kirk" is beyond belief. Delusions of granduer in massive doses it would appear.

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The OP should only be read wearing a hazmat suit.

 

 

PS The Protestant Work Ethic is/was a genuine expression and, when you consider the very high percentage of influential Scots across a wide spectrum of achievement based on the best education system in Europe, it produced an ethic that matched that achievement.

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Im not even going to read that. Why post that shite on this forum.

Best post of 2016.

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Im not even going to read that. Why post that shite on this forum.

 

Its a reminder of what to expect once these bigots are back in the top league beside their equally bigoted rivals. 

I hope Falkirk can win the Championship.

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Im not even going to read that. Why post that shite on this forum.

Think Sid's allegiance is there for us all to see, as you say this has not one single ounce to do with Hearts or this forum.

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Words fail me.  Fact is, Deadco and Celtic were loathed then and Celtic and Rangers International are loathed now.  Oddly, I had some good experiences with Celtic supporters at games back then but absolutely non with the drunken, vile scum who supported Deadco.

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Big Slim Stylee

Jesus Christ. Wtf is the "Scottish protestant work ethic?" Laughable bigoted sectarian *****.

 

I have to be honest, man.  That was something my Grandpa harped on about a lot.  Very common terminology, unfortunately.

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Son Of Anarchy

I have to be honest, man. That was something my Grandpa harped on about a lot. Very common terminology, unfortunately.

Fair enough bud but that was then. Who even knows someone religion these days at work? I stopped reading it after that tbh.

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Think Sid's allegiance is there for us all to see, as you say this has not one single ounce to do with Hearts or this forum.

You mean am I a Celtic fan,yes I am.

It was a Jambo relative who told me about JKB,he did ask me not to stir the shit so to speak so if you've seen any posts of me where ive criticised Hearts then feel free to contact administration and they can bar me,I've also told Sons of Anarchy I was a Celtic fan and another Jambo who left the forum 2 years ago but if my presence upsets you then I've got no problem with you.

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Son Of Anarchy

Like I said at the time dude, other fans are welcome to contribute if that's their thing and their not easily offended ;) but bear in mind most of us hate both cheeks and not just one.

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132goals1958

I have to be honest, man.  That was something my Grandpa harped on about a lot.  Very common terminology, unfortunately.

 

 Unbelievably this is a quote from a Graham Spiers article. Outlandish as it seems it was the perception of many.from the West of Scotland.

 

 Along with the Scottish legal system and the Church of Scotland, Rangers FC was once described as ?one of the three great pillars of Scottish society

Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/graham-spiers-ecstasy-and-agony-for-rangers-fans-1

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scott herbertson

"The impact of Skye was nowhere in sight"

50 years ago was foggy times I guess.

 

 

That bridge has got a lot to answer for

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Billy Bad Brakes

Its a reminder of what to expect once these bigots are back in the top league beside their equally bigoted rivals. 

I hope Falkirk can win the Championship.

Now that would be funny.
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Eldar Hadzimehmedovic

The problem with the phrase "Protestant work ethic", totally fine on the face of it, is that in Scotland it always implied the opposite, that Irish Catholic immigrants were lazy dependant charity cases.

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The problem with the phrase "Protestant work ethic", totally fine on the face of it, is that in Scotland it always implied the opposite, that Irish Catholic immigrants were lazy dependant charity cases.

 

I believe that the term was first used by German Sociologist Max Weber,  He affirmed that the reason the Industry revolution happening in the North of Europe was the "Protestant Work Ethic", and lack of industrial growth in the south to the lack of it.

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