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Okay, so after a few mundane days, kickbacks burst into life in the last few hours and not for entirely great reasons either.

 

So, to try and bring some calm and normality to the forum once again, I thought I'd get talking about how we should line up during the season.

 

Pre-season is now done and dusted so who's out strongest XI and what system is the way forward?

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Jambof3tornado

I liked the 3 centrebacks. Jordan did ok as did the new guy Rossi. Alim was steady as usual.

 

Danny who??

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And he's not praying

Alexander

 

Paterson

Ozturk

Augustyn

New left back

 

Gomis

Pallardo

 

Walker

Sow

King

 

Juanma

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Alexander

 

Paterson

Ozturk

Augustyn

New left back

 

Gomis

Pallardo

 

Walker

Sow

King

 

Juanma

Replace Gomes for bauben and I agree

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Sanny Vicious

Assuming everyone is fit:

 

4-2-3-1

 

Alexander

 

Paterson

Ozturk

Augystyn

Osh

 

Pallardo

Gomis

 

King

Buaben

Walker

 

Sow

 

 

Fully expect Gary Oliver and Sean mckirdy to be pushing though if they continue to impress

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Assuming everyone is fit:

 

4-2-3-1

 

Alexander

 

Paterson

Ozturk

Augystyn

Osh

 

Pallardo

Gomis

 

King

Buaben

Walker

 

Sow

 

 

Fully expect Gary Oliver and Sean mckirdy to be pushing though if they continue to impress

So Juanma on the bench then?  I think it will be horses for courses and Robbie will vary the line-up and formation depending on the opposition.

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Sanny Vicious

So Juanma on the bench then?  I think it will be horses for courses and Robbie will vary the line-up and formation depending on the opposition.

 

Difficult to call given how little we've seen of them but reckon Sow is our best attacker. Yeah you're probably right, can defo see us changing formation from week to week

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I think we'll go 4-2-3-1 the majority of games. I'd go with -

 

Alexander

Paterson

Ozturk

Augustyn

Mchattie(until Juwon hopefully arrives)

Gomis

Pallardo

Walker

Bauben

Nicholson

Sow

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Anythingbutgreen

Nobody expecting Neilson to go with 3-5-2 this season given he tried it today?

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Sanny Vicious

Nobody expecting Neilson to go with 3-5-2 this season given he tried it today?

 

Almost certainly against celtic

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Not a fan of 3 centre backs unless we have two wing backs(or full backs adapted to this position) who have the basic awareness to know when they must get forward and when to cover back or hold their position.

 

Not sure we are there yet and i`m not sure if RN will give it time from the start of the season, or if its a wise idea on our return to the top flight when we are trying to re-establish ourselves.

 

Let the players start with what they know and what  they bedded into last season.

 

Strongest team for me would be (given everyone is fit next week)......

 

Alexander............ Paterson. Augustyn. Ozturk. McHattie(only because we don`t have another LB we know can do  the job)

 

Pallardo  Buaben Gomis King

 

Walker

 

Sow.

 

I`d play a central 3 with King playing left and ask Paterson to get up on the right as much as possible.  

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Jambof3tornado

Nobody expecting Neilson to go with 3-5-2 this season given he tried it today?

I quite liked it. Better if we had a left footed version of paterson.

 

Still need someone behind the striker who can unlock a defence with a pass. I'd love walker to get a wee shot in there.

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I've not seen Augustyn but liked the look of Rossi today.

Alexander

Paterson
Ozturk
Augustyn 
Oshinawa (Maybe)
Gomis
Pallardo 
Walker
King
Juanma
Sow 

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Watt-Zeefuik

We mixed it up some last season so I expect us to mix it up some this season as well.  My guesses:

 

Base formation: 4-4-2, double pivot, Walker and Nicholson on the wings, two strikers out of Juanma, Sow, and Reilly

Alternate formation to keep from being predictable: 4-2-3-1 with Pallardo and Gomis in the middle, Sow as lone striker

Narrow shape for home games against teams with strong midfields: 4-4-2 with the diamond mid, Walker at the top of the diamond

Against Celtic and possibly away to in form top six teams: 5-2-3/3-4-3 hybrid we played against Everton, but with Juwon at LB instead of McHattie.

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Bert Le Clos

Alexander

 

Paterson  Ozturk  Augustyn  Oshaniwa

 

Pallardo  Buaben

 

King               Walker                  

 

                            Sow

Juanma

 

 

In fairness I haven't seen a huge amount of Auustyn or Juanma but I believe they have been signed as starters based on what the scouts and RN/CL have seen so I'm happy with them in my best XI.

 

Oshaniwa's pedigree on paper and McHattie's form are enough for Juwon to slot in at LB without me even having seen him play.

 

Harsh on Gomis to leave him out but I believe him and Pallardo are fairly equal in what they offer in defence and attack however Pallardo is more composed on the ball. Neither offer a huge amount going forward so I've slotted in Prince ahead of Gomis as I think he can provide defensive cover whilst also getting forward to support the front 4.

 

King in ahead of Nicholson as I think he's physically capable of producing more in the top flight.

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Watt-Zeefuik

 

Alexander

 

Paterson  Ozturk  Augustyn  Oshaniwa

 

Pallardo  Buaben

 

King               Walker                  

 

                            Sow

Juanma

 

 

In fairness I haven't seen a huge amount of Auustyn or Juanma but I believe they have been signed as starters based on what the scouts and RN/CL have seen so I'm happy with them in my best XI.

 

Oshaniwa's pedigree on paper and McHattie's form are enough for Juwon to slot in at LB without me even having seen him play.

 

Harsh on Gomis to leave him out but I believe him and Pallardo are fairly equal in what they offer in defence and attack however Pallardo is more composed on the ball. Neither offer a huge amount going forward so I've slotted in Prince ahead of Gomis as I think he can provide defensive cover whilst also getting forward to support the front 4.

 

King in ahead of Nicholson as I think he's physically capable of producing more in the top flight.

 

 

 

I like this in general, but hasn't King generally played on the left side?

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Bert Le Clos

I like this in general, but hasn't King generally played on the left side?

 

Think between the three of them they've all had spells on the right or left. I think with Sow being left footed he might be used to partner Juanma up front but drifting slightly wider to provide a bit of width on the left.

 

As others have said though I'm sure Neilson will mix and match formations and personnel throughout the season though depending on who we're playing. That would just be my team for the likes of Killie at home. 

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Alexander

 

Paterson

Ozturk

Augustyn

Oshaniwa

 

Nicholson

Pallardo

Gomis

Walker

 

Sow

Juanma/Reilly

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 i could take a stab but the permutations are varied and many- i just hope Robbie :thinking2:  knows or at least has an inkling 

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Other than around 91/92 under Jordan I can't recall 3 at the back being utilized ow when it has, it ever working.

 

3 at the back with two deep lying midfielders against a side invariably playing 1 up top just isn't for me.

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Oh that's right - that eye bleeding debacle at Easter Road back end of last season had a back 3.

 

That was so successful I see why we'd experiment again.

 

Whiff of DoF involvement........

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Oh that's right - that eye bleeding debacle at Easter Road back end of last season had a back 3.

 

That was so successful I see why we'd experiment again.

 

Whiff of DoF involvement........

Shitebag.

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Care to elaborate beyond abuse?

We have the players to play that system so why not try it? I can see us giving a few teams a doing.

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We have the players to play that system so why not try it? I can see us giving a few teams a doing.

I'd suggest we don't have the midfield personnel to play that way. Neilson tried it at Easter Road at it was abysmal

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I'd suggest we don't have the midfield personnel to play that way. Neilson tried it at Easter Road at it was abysmal

Pallardo, Gomis, Buaben, Walker, Nicholson, King, El Hass, Anderson.

I think we can scrape together a decent 5 man midfield.

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LarrysRightFoot

Alexander

 

Paterson

Ozturk

Augustyn

New left back

 

Gomis

Pallardo

 

Walker

Sow

King

 

Juanma

That's potentially a very good team.

 

Would prefer a quality new signing potentially to Gomis until McKirdy is ready to play week in week out. But on paper that's a good team - pace, strength, height, goal threat, tenacity, skill.

 

With Nicholson and Reilly (and Oliver unless he's loaned) to come in that front 4 of 6/7 will cause any team problems.

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That's potentially a very good team.

 

Would prefer a quality new signing potentially to Gomis until McKirdy is ready to play week in week out. But on paper that's a good team - pace, strength, height, goal threat, tenacity, skill.

 

With Nicholson and Reilly (and Oliver unless he's loaned) to come in that front 4 of 6/7 will cause any team problems.

I think Morgaro Gomis is hugely undervalued by a number of Hearts fans.

 

Absolutely outstanding last season and the fittest player in our squad.

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I think Morgaro Gomis is hugely undervalued by a number of Hearts fans.

 

Absolutely outstanding last season and the fittest player in our squad.

Players player of the year, his team mates know how important he is that's good enough for me
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I think Morgaro Gomis is hugely undervalued by a number of Hearts fans.

 

Absolutely outstanding last season and the fittest player in our squad.

 

I have always like him just hope he can not dwell on the ball  that wee bit too long and get caught in possession other than that he is great for us. He is a good example to the young guys in the team the way he trains etc.

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stuartmitchell

Other than around 91/92 under Jordan I can't recall 3 at the back being utilized ow when it has, it ever working.

 

3 at the back with two deep lying midfielders against a side invariably playing 1 up top just isn't for me.

 

Think the last time it worked well was the 98 cup final but then you had Thomas Flogel and Gary Naysmith as wing backs which helped greatly!!

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Defensively we are good through the middle but it going forward im worried about this season so i think this is our strongest XI

alexander

Paterson ozturk augustyn oshinwa(if he signs)

Gomis. Pallardo

Prince

King. Walker

Juanma

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I think Morgaro Gomis is hugely undervalued by a number of Hearts fans.

 

Absolutely outstanding last season and the fittest player in our squad.

Very, very much this. Sadly he's developed a reputation for dwelling on the ball, and I accept that he does that now and then, but the number of times he shows the composure to wait and pick out the right pass is remarkable. He always shows for the ball and doesn't just want to ping it away for the sake of it as soon as he's put under pressure. I also disagree about him not having any attacking value. A ridiculous number of our attacks last year were started by him picking up the ball and setting things off. Fair enough he doesn't dribble past players or get beyond the forwards, but you can contribute to attacks by starting them. He was so important to the balance of the team last season and I think he will be again this year.

 

On topic:

 

Alexander

 

Paterson Ozturk Augustyn Oshaniwa (hopefully)

 

 

Pallardo Gomis

 

Nicholson Walker

                             Sow

 

 

Juanma

 

 

With Buaben slotting in as a third midfielder in away games and against better opposition, Nicholson dropping out in those cases. King will get a good number of starts too.

 

 

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jamboinglasgow

For me looking at the team now we have a strong squad, where you can put a strong first XI and a decent 2nd XI

 

First XI

 

                  Alexander

 

Paterson Ozturk Augustyn Oshaniwa

 

               Pallardo Gomis

 

Sow                Walker          Nicholson

 

                      Juanma

 

 

Second XI

 

                          Hamilton

 

Smith     McGhee       Igor Rossi    McHattie 

 

              Anderson   Buaben

 

King                  El Hassnaoui            Oliver

 

                           Reilly

 

 

And you have McKirdy, Buchanan, Beith (when back from injury,) Howlett-Mundle as well to push into the first team. Now I know El Hass is injured so you could put Anderson into his place and move McKirdy next to Buaben (and even then I think its close between Buaben and Gomis for the first XI.) To me that quality in depth is what is most important in a season. Interestingly I have seen already two pre-season reviews put us 3rd.

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I liked the 3 centrebacks. Jordan did ok as did the new guy Rossi. Alim was steady as usual.

 

Danny who??

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I'll be the first to put my hands up and say that outside of computer games I know nothing about tactics but it seems odd to me to play Sow behind Juanma.

 

Sow is at his best running off the shoulder of the last defender and surely we'd stifle his ability to glide past people by playing him in behind?

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I'll be the first to put my hands up and say that outside of computer games I know nothing about tactics but it seems odd to me to play Sow behind Juanma.

 

Sow is at his best running off the shoulder of the last defender and surely we'd stifle his ability to glide past people by playing him in behind?

I think the idea is that by playing him off a main striker rather than him being the main guy, he can play facing goal and work off Juanma's holdup play. If anything he should be able to run at people more often, which I agree is one of his best attributes. It seems a waste to ask him to be the no 9 who spends more time with his back to goal than anyone else. I don't think it really suits him. It's early days and I've not seen much of Juanma, but I think it could work quite well.

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Buffalo Bill

Alexander

 

Paterson  Ozturk  Augustyn  Oshaniwa

 

Gomis   Pallardo

 

King       Walker      

                               Sow

 

Juanma

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Watt-Zeefuik

I was only able to catch most of the second half tonight so I didn't get to see a lot of what we were doing, but Robbie was substituting all over the park, and to my eye it looks like we played 4 different formations over the course of the game.

 

From the club website, here's the squad sheet:
 

Hearts: Hamilton, Paterson, McHattie, Ozturk, McGhee, King, Gomis (Juanma, 65'), McKirdy, Nicholson, Oliver (Walker, 52'), Sow (Rossi, 76'). Subs: Alexander, L. Smith, Buchanan, Anderson.

 

The starting side is easy to figure -- the classic 4-4-2 we did last year with King on the left and Nicholson on the right with Sow playing more centrally and Oliver playing off of him.

 

Walker coming on for Oliver shifted us to a 4-2-3-1, I think, with McKirdy and Gomis in the middle and Walker playing right behind Sow.

 

Juanma on for Gomis was bit of an odd one -- I *think* we shifted into a 4-4-2 with a diamond mid, with McKirdy at the base and Walker at the top, but with only one Hearts TV camera I couldn't quite tell.

 

Rossi on for Sow is the hardest to figure.  Rossi and Ozturk were clearly the ones sitting deep, with McGhee playing in front of them but not far, and McKirdy not much past him.  I would say 5-3-2 with Walker back in a #10 role, but that may be reading it wrong.

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Diadora Van Basten

Alexander

 

Patterson ozturk augustyn Juwon

 

Bauben gomis

 

King walker Nicholson

 

Sow

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