Drewboy Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I would say many clubs could follow this example set by Liverpool. I'm sure Hearts would. There is a question here tho, do clubs need to tell their fans what behaviour they expect, inside and outside the ground. I know there are is the occasional racist and homophobic shouts around me in Tynecastle that some still think is amusing. And on social media. There are plenty fans pages, hearts badges on profiles that could be taken as misrepresenting and undermining the club. Quite a major thing for most clubs, Hearts particularly in light of profile and sponsorships. Thoughts? http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7076836?utm_hp_ref=tw Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I would say many clubs could follow this example set by Liverpool. I'm sure Hearts would. There is a question here tho, do clubs need to tell their fans what behaviour they expect, inside and outside the ground. I know there are is the occasional racist and homophobic shouts around me in Tynecastle that some still think is amusing. And on social media. There are plenty fans pages, hearts badges on profiles that could be taken as misrepresenting and undermining the club. Quite a major thing for most clubs, Hearts particularly in light of profile and sponsorships. Thoughts? http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7076836?utm_hp_ref=tw Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk i always thought the saying was "no religion and politics in sport" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Next well have the uglies telling us their civil liberties are being breached by not being able to sing their songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Guy is a bigoted wank. Glad to see Liverpool are taking action against him.It's the exact same as chucking bananas at black players or booing a catholic player for crossing himself.Two blokes had a wee pray in a quiet corner of the stadium and it's a disgrace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Guy is a bigoted ****. Glad to see Liverpool are taking action against him. It's the exact same as chucking bananas at black players or booing a catholic player for crossing himself. Two blokes had a wee pray in a quiet corner of the stadium and it's a disgrace? I'm not going to deny his comments were OTT however rather than ask if it should be allowed, do you think clubs should embrace it? I think it could open a can of worms. I appreciate that we must move with the times but where do you draw the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'm an atheist but will freely admit to having uttered a few prayers whilst inside tynecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paterson's Tache Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'm not going to deny his comments were OTT however rather than ask if it should be allowed, do you think clubs should embrace it? I think it could open a can of worms. I appreciate that we must move with the times but where do you draw the line? I don't see anything wrong with clubs embracing it. There are a few players at our club who identify as Muslim and probably a fair number of supporters. There is a demand for pies - so there is a pie kiosk. If there was high demand for men and women of any faith to be allowed to pray - I don't see anything wrong with clubs embracing it and protecting them from bigots like this Liverpool fan. However I hope no such characters are among our support. I think these two gents are showing amazing commitment to their religion and their club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Don't know how to feel on this one. Of course what the guy tweeted isn't right and I personally do not agree with it. I know as well how important it is for Muslims to pray a set number of times a day and absolutely no question they should be allowed to practive their faith wherever they see fit without being disturbed (which they were not at the time) but an issue I have is that we live in a society where "Freedom of Speech" is no longer a thing. Essentially these days you are allowed freedom of speech as long as you don't offend anyone. Being offended is completely subjective to each individual person so these two things cannot possibly co-exist. The guy might be a ****** and his views may be disagreed with by 99% of people but it irks me that he doesn't have the right to say it without being punished. By all means tell him that's a shocking thing to say and a shocking way of thinking in this day and age, then try to educate him on why you think it's wrong but to say "You spoke your mind within Anfield and some other people didn't like it. You can't come anymore" wouldn't be justice IMO. Why is it that when this man, who is clearly offended by these guys praying, says he is offended by the actions of others he is facing punishment, but then these Muslim guys have offended him and that's quite alright? Tolerance needs to be a two way street or it simply doesn't work. If you want to be allowed to pray in public you need to accept that some people won't like it and let them feel that way. I've seen a man with a swastika tattooed on the back of his head at Tynie, his wife also had a shaved head except for a fringe and they were there with their very young son. That offended me. Seeing someone with that tattooed on their head but I shut my mouth because whether I like it or not if he wants to do things like that he can and who the hell am I to say he can't? We live in a very bubble wrapped, "lets all be friends" type world where rather than educating people and trying to change their views we bottle it all up and pretend it's not happening. Then when it does happen we punish people, rather than try to help them understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'm not going to deny his comments were OTT however rather than ask if it should be allowed, do you think clubs should embrace it? I think it could open a can of worms. I appreciate that we must move with the times but where do you draw the line? What do you mean "open a can of worms"? Are you suggesting that we'll have beheadings in the centre circle at half time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Pathetic to tweet that comment but I'm not sure LF should get overly exercised about this wankstain. Elf and safety may have something to say about it on the other hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 What do you mean "open a can of worms"? Are you suggesting that we'll have beheadings in the centre circle at half time? As usual someone attempts to put words into others mouths. If you look at my previous post you'll see I mention the uglies. That's the can of worms I'm referring too however knock yourself out if you want to make something else of it I know it's a jump from praying to singing religious songs however I'm sure the footballing authorities will have something to say about it. Beheadings Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchy frog Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'm an atheist but will freely admit to having uttered a few prayers whilst inside tynecastle. HAHA! Touche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'm an atheist but will freely admit to having uttered a few prayers whilst inside tynecastle. me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Liverpool acting against filth? Whilst it's a remarkable volte face, it's most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Don't know how to feel on this one. Of course what the guy tweeted isn't right and I personally do not agree with it. I know as well how important it is for Muslims to pray a set number of times a day and absolutely no question they should be allowed to practive their faith wherever they see fit without being disturbed (which they were not at the time) but an issue I have is that we live in a society where "Freedom of Speech" is no longer a thing. Essentially these days you are allowed freedom of speech as long as you don't offend anyone. Being offended is completely subjective to each individual person so these two things cannot possibly co-exist. The guy might be a ****** and his views may be disagreed with by 99% of people but it irks me that he doesn't have the right to say it without being punished. By all means tell him that's a shocking thing to say and a shocking way of thinking in this day and age, then try to educate him on why you think it's wrong but to say "You spoke your mind within Anfield and some other people didn't like it. You can't come anymore" wouldn't be justice IMO. Why is it that when this man, who is clearly offended by these guys praying, says he is offended by the actions of others he is facing punishment, but then these Muslim guys have offended him and that's quite alright? Tolerance needs to be a two way street or it simply doesn't work. If you want to be allowed to pray in public you need to accept that some people won't like it and let them feel that way. I've seen a man with a swastika tattooed on the back of his head at Tynie, his wife also had a shaved head except for a fringe and they were there with their very young son. That offended me. Seeing someone with that tattooed on their head but I shut my mouth because whether I like it or not if he wants to do things like that he can and who the hell am I to say he can't? We live in a very bubble wrapped, "lets all be friends" type world where rather than educating people and trying to change their views we bottle it all up and pretend it's not happening. Then when it does happen we punish people, rather than try to help them understand. Excellent post and pretty much how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve444 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve444 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 What about the beer sales at Liverpool FC? Should they be banned so as to cause offence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 HSE inspector's nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 What about the beer sales at Liverpool FC? Should they be banned so as to cause offence? I sincerely hope that is tongue in cheek! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 What law was broken here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 He's obviously an arsehole but I'm fairly sure he's broken no laws so a bit of a waste of the polices time tbh. Liverpool should just tell him if he doesn't like it he can **** off. That'd be the best response to this type of comment Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 He's obviously an arsehole but I'm fairly sure he's broken no laws so a bit of a waste of the polices time tbh. Liverpool should just tell him if he doesn't like it he can **** off. That'd be the best response to this type of comment Imo. This. Some idiot made a stupid tweet and it would appear he has already received a lot of abuse for it, so maybe he will think twice before doing anything like this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Don't know how to feel on this one. Of course what the guy tweeted isn't right and I personally do not agree with it. I know as well how important it is for Muslims to pray a set number of times a day and absolutely no question they should be allowed to practive their faith wherever they see fit without being disturbed (which they were not at the time) but an issue I have is that we live in a society where "Freedom of Speech" is no longer a thing. Essentially these days you are allowed freedom of speech as long as you don't offend anyone. Being offended is completely subjective to each individual person so these two things cannot possibly co-exist. The guy might be a ****** and his views may be disagreed with by 99% of people but it irks me that he doesn't have the right to say it without being punished. By all means tell him that's a shocking thing to say and a shocking way of thinking in this day and age, then try to educate him on why you think it's wrong but to say "You spoke your mind within Anfield and some other people didn't like it. You can't come anymore" wouldn't be justice IMO. Why is it that when this man, who is clearly offended by these guys praying, says he is offended by the actions of others he is facing punishment, but then these Muslim guys have offended him and that's quite alright? Tolerance needs to be a two way street or it simply doesn't work. If you want to be allowed to pray in public you need to accept that some people won't like it and let them feel that way. I've seen a man with a swastika tattooed on the back of his head at Tynie, his wife also had a shaved head except for a fringe and they were there with their very young son. That offended me. Seeing someone with that tattooed on their head but I shut my mouth because whether I like it or not if he wants to do things like that he can and who the hell am I to say he can't? We live in a very bubble wrapped, "lets all be friends" type world where rather than educating people and trying to change their views we bottle it all up and pretend it's not happening. Then when it does happen we punish people, rather than try to help them understand. Poetry in motion. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Don't know how to feel on this one. Of course what the guy tweeted isn't right and I personally do not agree with it. I know as well how important it is for Muslims to pray a set number of times a day and absolutely no question they should be allowed to practive their faith wherever they see fit without being disturbed (which they were not at the time) but an issue I have is that we live in a society where "Freedom of Speech" is no longer a thing. Essentially these days you are allowed freedom of speech as long as you don't offend anyone. Being offended is completely subjective to each individual person so these two things cannot possibly co-exist. The guy might be a ****** and his views may be disagreed with by 99% of people but it irks me that he doesn't have the right to say it without being punished. By all means tell him that's a shocking thing to say and a shocking way of thinking in this day and age, then try to educate him on why you think it's wrong but to say "You spoke your mind within Anfield and some other people didn't like it. You can't come anymore" wouldn't be justice IMO. Why is it that when this man, who is clearly offended by these guys praying, says he is offended by the actions of others he is facing punishment, but then these Muslim guys have offended him and that's quite alright? Tolerance needs to be a two way street or it simply doesn't work. If you want to be allowed to pray in public you need to accept that some people won't like it and let them feel that way. I've seen a man with a swastika tattooed on the back of his head at Tynie, his wife also had a shaved head except for a fringe and they were there with their very young son. That offended me. Seeing someone with that tattooed on their head but I shut my mouth because whether I like it or not if he wants to do things like that he can and who the hell am I to say he can't? We live in a very bubble wrapped, "lets all be friends" type world where rather than educating people and trying to change their views we bottle it all up and pretend it's not happening. Then when it does happen we punish people, rather than try to help them understand. You are arguing against yourself here are you not? You are saying that some idiot who finds offense at muslims taking prayers has the right to voice his offense, but when you see a guy with a swastika shaved into his head, which you find offensive, you respect his right to do so and keep your mouth shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 You are arguing against yourself here are you not? You are saying that some idiot who finds offense at muslims taking prayers has the right to voice his offense, but when you see a guy with a swastika shaved into his head, which you find offensive, you respect his right to do so and keep your mouth shut. Was the "disgrace" that two muslims were praying, or that only two had turned up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Whilst I've no doubt the guy is a bit of an intolerant dick, that tweet could have been taken in any number of ways... As many people have said, he could have been a health and safety officer or a fireman or a steward, tweeting in that way because he knew his followers would get the joke. It could have been a satirical post, like all the fake Nigel Farage Twitter accounts that say borderline racist stuff in order to appear like Farage. It's important to point out that criticising a religion (or criticising people for following a religion) is not racist, nor is it illegal. Liverpool is a club and it's up to them who they want as members of the club, so if they want to ban him it's up to them... But a lengthy ban would be harsh IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 You are arguing against yourself here are you not? You are saying that some idiot who finds offense at muslims taking prayers has the right to voice his offense, but when you see a guy with a swastika shaved into his head, which you find offensive, you respect his right to do so and keep your mouth shut. Yeah I can see how it comes across like that but what I was trying to say was that I personally choose to let people live their lives based on their opinions and beliefs without passing comment because of my views of their choices. But at the same time I think it has to work both ways wherein that if he believes he has the right to publicly show his support for something like that then I have the right to publicly declare that I disagree with it. Whether I choose to excecise that right or not is down to me and I chose not to but if I had it should be accepted because those are my feelings on the matter. In this, hypothetical, case most people would most likely agree with me but it's not about what the majority of people agree with it's about being able to voice your opinion without fear of punishment. Alas the world will never, ever work this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiepolio Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Don't know how to feel on this one. Of course what the guy tweeted isn't right and I personally do not agree with it. I know as well how important it is for Muslims to pray a set number of times a day and absolutely no question they should be allowed to practive their faith wherever they see fit without being disturbed (which they were not at the time) but an issue I have is that we live in a society where "Freedom of Speech" is no longer a thing. Essentially these days you are allowed freedom of speech as long as you don't offend anyone. Being offended is completely subjective to each individual person so these two things cannot possibly co-exist. The guy might be a ****** and his views may be disagreed with by 99% of people but it irks me that he doesn't have the right to say it without being punished. By all means tell him that's a shocking thing to say and a shocking way of thinking in this day and age, then try to educate him on why you think it's wrong but to say "You spoke your mind within Anfield and some other people didn't like it. You can't come anymore" wouldn't be justice IMO. Why is it that when this man, who is clearly offended by these guys praying, says he is offended by the actions of others he is facing punishment, but then these Muslim guys have offended him and that's quite alright? Tolerance needs to be a two way street or it simply doesn't work. If you want to be allowed to pray in public you need to accept that some people won't like it and let them feel that way. I've seen a man with a swastika tattooed on the back of his head at Tynie, his wife also had a shaved head except for a fringe and they were there with their very young son. That offended me. Seeing someone with that tattooed on their head but I shut my mouth because whether I like it or not if he wants to do things like that he can and who the hell am I to say he can't? We live in a very bubble wrapped, "lets all be friends" type world where rather than educating people and trying to change their views we bottle it all up and pretend it's not happening. Then when it does happen we punish people, rather than try to help them understand. Superb post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 See if I had all that power to create a Universe, planets, stars, life...I don't think I'd be too bothered about my creations having to go to all this bother several times a day just to tell me how amazing I am. That would be like me putting some food crumbs down for the ants at the bottom of the garden every day to see them through the winter and then, a week later, crushing them all to death for not roasting a flea alive or building a temple out of stale bread in tribute to my awesomeness. Surely their is a get-out clause in the Q'uran to allow these poor 'followers' some leniency as to when they have to pray? Otherwise where does it end - do they pray (and this goes for those who cross themselves going onto the pitch) before or during supermarket shopping, the cinema? Airline pilot mid-flight?? Seriously, though, if we keep culling people on twitter for 'offensive remarks' we'll soon sanitize society to the point we won't even need to converse with each other - because we will all hold the same mandatory viewpoints on everything. It's still possible to turn the other cheek or just ignore stuff! Even the two folk blocking the exit and stairwell with their bottoms in the air to their imaginary sky fairy only wanted the chap who posted the tweet to gain some insight. Which is fair enough, provided they are sent on a Health & Safety course in return. Oh and I did like the idea that having a safe area to pray - pointlessly - for a better result at half-time would lead to beheadings in the centre of the pitch. I think that has merit, nothing would spur on players to greater heights if that was the reward for poor performances/results!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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