Ulysses Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Members are reminded that avatars or other images that link the Heart of Midlothian FC name or crest with either side of the independence referendum debate are not allowed on JKB. If you are using such an avatar or imagery, you should remove or replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 There is being over-cautious and then there is overdoing it. I can't see Hearts suing JKB because a few posters with Hearts name or crest in their avatar comment on the referendum, and if using the Hearts crest is a breach of copyright then we should stop using it altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 There is being over-cautious and then there is overdoing it. I can't see Hearts suing JKB because a few posters with Hearts name or crest in their avatar comment on the referendum, and if using the Hearts crest is a breach of copyright then we should stop using it altogether. Football, Religion and Politics should all be kept apart IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Shouldn't this be in the shed along with the official Hearts statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 There is being over-cautious and then there is overdoing it. I can't see Hearts suing JKB because a few posters with Hearts name or crest in their avatar comment on the referendum, and if using the Hearts crest is a breach of copyright then we should stop using it altogether. I've never seen the wee copyright sign next to the Hearts badge and it's in print almost daily. I don't actually think they'd have a leg to stand on based on how often it's used without permission being sought, just from a practical point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I've never seen the wee copyright sign next to the Hearts badge and it's in print almost daily. I don't actually think they'd have a leg to stand on based on how often it's used without permission being sought, just from a practical point of view You should start selling stuff with the crest outside Tynecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I wonder if the Record's "broken Hearts crest" logo, used for years, fell foul of copyright law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I wonder if the Record's "broken Hearts crest" logo, used for years, fell foul of copyright law. They've been using it so long the copyright has probably ran out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Vespa Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Can we not just ban the No ones for a trial period, say till near the end of September. If no lawsuits v the Yes ones then allow the No ones back in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restonbabe Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 can people not have a right to show which they are choosing on september the 18th. to be honest its petty whichever way you decide to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 can people not have a right to show which they are choosing on september the 18th. to be honest its petty whichever way you decide to look at it. They are not saying you cant show which side your on, just dont include Hearts in that picture. I agree with Ully, people have the right to show who they support but dragging Hearts into is cringeworthy like some avatars which have "heart of midlothian for/against independence." You are a person with a view, you dont speak for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 can people not have a right to show which they are choosing on september the 18th. to be honest its petty whichever way you decide to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 They are not saying you cant show which side your on, just dont include Hearts in that picture. I agree with Ully, people have the right to show who they support but dragging Hearts into is cringeworthy like some avatars which have "heart of midlothian for/against independence." You are a person with a view, you dont speak for the club. Spot on jig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 What referendums that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Doesn't posting on a Hearts message board about the referendum drag Hearts into it?The fact that you customarily post with a Hearts related avatar (or indeed as a moderator on a Hearts message board) doesn't seem to add much to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Francis I think you're behind deliberately obtuse here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Can we not just ban the No ones for a trial period, say till near the end of September. If no lawsuits v the Yes ones then allow the No ones back in ? I think this is quite a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Chris B - I am not being deliberately obtuse. Maybe you could enlighten me on where I have inadvertently gone wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownkg Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 My brother had to pay over ?2000 to SRM retail in order to use the crest on his whisky set for the cup final (still available by the way) . In the old days there was no such massive fee and I do personally think they are being a bit precious about the crest. To my mind it would deflect effort from where it should be going pursuing this but that being said I am sure common sense will prevail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-sad Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Is the crest with "undecided" ok then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Have Hearts actually complained to JKB about this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Football, Religion and Politics should all be kept apart IMHO No more needs saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Can I get a vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Have Hearts actually complained to JKB about this ? No idea but it is consistent with the club statement. My avatar is obviously the Hampden scoreboard on that glorious day. Would this count given there is a Hearts badge included? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Perfectly reasonable request by Uly. Was thinking of changing my avatar anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Thanks to everyone for their contributions to the thread..... .....but (WADR) this isn't a debate. The position is what it is, and the purpose of the message I posted is to let members know the position and, where necessary, give members an opportunity to amend or edit avatars and other images, hopefully without this requiring the intervention of the moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Perfectly reasonable request. Hearts and politics should be kept apart. We're not Celtic! We don't want people hijacking the crest for any purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHO Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 They are not saying you cant show which side your on, just dont include Hearts in that picture. I agree with Ully, people have the right to show who they support but dragging Hearts into is cringeworthy like some avatars which have "heart of midlothian for/against independence." You are a person with a view, you dont speak for the club. Spot on. Whichever way you vote is nothing to do with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Meanwhile back in the real world 13 posts on the last page of the referendum superthread have Hearts-related avatars. It's a Hearts website FFS. People are expressing their personal views, not trying to associate Hearts with either side of the campaign. If it is protection against beach of copyright fair enough - ban all use of copyrighted material. If it s about not involving Hearts in political debate close political threads on a Hearts website. Simples, as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Meanwhile back in the real world 13 posts on the last page of the referendum superthread have Hearts-related avatars. It's a Hearts website FFS. People are expressing their personal views, not trying to associate Hearts with either side of the campaign. What about the posters who have an avatar that has "Hearts for Independence," Not Hearts fans, Hearts themselves. That is pretty clearly trying to associate Hearts with the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Fair enough, ban that one, though I can't believe it will increase the Yes vote. . But every Hearts-related avatar? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Meanwhile back in the real world 13 posts on the last page of the referendum superthread have Hearts-related avatars. It's a Hearts website FFS. People are expressing their personal views, not trying to associate Hearts with either side of the campaign. If it is protection against beach of copyright fair enough - ban all use of copyrighted material. If it s about not involving Hearts in political debate close political threads on a Hearts website. Simples, as they say. This really is obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Fair enough, ban that one, though I can't believe it will increase the Yes vote. . But every Hearts-related avatar? Come on. The OP specifically refers to avatars that link the crest to the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 OK I misread the OP. Apologies. YYYassss Keatings Hat trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 It's entirely up to the club to decide in what circumstances they want to pursue a breach of copyright in. They have made it clear they don't want the badge used in any political capacity, it's really not hard to understand. Some Hearts fans support independence which they are perfectly entitled to but it's pretty bizarre that they feel the need to conflate the 2 things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Meanwhile back in the real world 13 posts on the last page of the referendum superthread have Hearts-related avatars. It's a Hearts website FFS. People are expressing their personal views, not trying to associate Hearts with either side of the campaign. If it is protection against beach of copyright fair enough - ban all use of copyrighted material. If it s about not involving Hearts in political debate close political threads on a Hearts website. Simples, as they say. Using the Hearts badge within a 'Yes' or 'No' is ******* tragic. I trust this clarifies matters for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "Tragic"? Really? As I said I misunderstood Uly's orders. Unfortunate but not many died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "Tragic"? Really? As I said I misunderstood Uly's orders. Unfortunate but not many died. Yes, completely tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share Posted August 23, 2014 Some Hearts fans support independence which they are perfectly entitled to.... Also, some Hearts fans oppose independence which they are perfectly entitled to. JKB's position is that neither side should use avatars or images that have the effect of associating Hearts with their referendum voting position. There are a few members who use avatars or signature images that clearly demonstrate their personal support for independence, or the Union, or for a vote in one direction or the other. There is no reason why those should not continue to be used. If anyone is in doubt about a particular image they are using, they can drop me a line by PM to clarify if it's OK or not - as a small number of members have already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Also, some Hearts fans oppose independence which they are perfectly entitled to. JKB's position is that neither side should use avatars or images that have the effect of associating Hearts with their referendum voting position. There are a few members who use avatars or signature images that clearly demonstrate their personal support for independence, or the Union, or for a vote in one direction or the other. There is no reason why those should not continue to be used. If anyone is in doubt about a particular image they are using, they can drop me a line by PM to clarify if it's OK or not - as a small number of members have already done. Indeed. Only reason I singled out the yes voters is that while I can recall seeing plenty of 'Hearts supporters for independence' avatars I can't remember seeing any of the opposite. Easily could have just missed them though if they were there. Either way, sensible idea to have them removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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