Rudiboy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Sorry if already discussed, does anyone know how long he is suspended for, 3 games or less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC86 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Not sure if it's confirmed, but reports yesterday were 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 2 games straight red. ( erse) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skivingatwork Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I take it tomorrow night counts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hopefully tomorrow night counts as it means he only misses 1 league game. I think he would have been rested tomorrow anyway as this season is all about the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hopefully tomorrow night counts as it means he only misses 1 league game. I think he would have been rested tomorrow anyway as this season is all about the league. 3 competitive games in and you think he would have been rested? Dont think so myself. I reckon he would defo have played wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 3 competitive games in and you think he would have been rested? Dont think so myself. I reckon he would defo have played wednesday. Keatings deserves a game - I think he'd have played .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Keatings deserves a game - I think he'd have played .. he does..... for me its who plays with Sow tho. They 2 up top on Wednesday would have been my guess...no anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudiboy Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Yeh hopefully tomorrow counts, as Falkirk at home will prove to be a big game in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Only two games for violent conduct? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praha06 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Automatically misses the next game. Then if violent conduct do they not meet to discuss the severity of the crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Only two games for violent conduct? Really? What did handling get? When does his ban continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praha06 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 What did handling get? When does his ban continue? Handling was given 2 yellows which doesn't constitute an automatic ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I thought the big man was poor on Sunday. Never won a header and couldn't hold the ball up in the first half. There was little to no movement from him as well. Getting sent off was a moment of insanity. The game was won. Not going to complain to much as he was brilliant against Rangers. I am looking forward to see how Keatings gets on tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboMc Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Handling was given 2 yellows which doesn't constitute an automatic ban. Handling was given a straight red for his tackle on Temps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogjh Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I thought the big man was poor on Sunday. Never won a header and couldn't hold the ball up in the first half. There was little to no movement from him as well. Getting sent off was a moment of insanity. The game was won. Not going to complain to much as he was brilliant against Rangers. I am looking forward to see how Keatings gets on tomorrow night. Apart from maybe Holt and Nicholson the entire team played well below par on Sunday. Winning games when the team isn't playing at their best will go a long way to us challenge for the tittle come May. Players like Sow will have far better games than he will poor ones that's for sure but if RN intends using him as a target man the ball must be played into feet. Now the rangers and h1b5 games are out the way we will start playing two up front which will defentaly help big Sow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 3 competitive games in and you think he would have been rested? Dont think so myself. I reckon he would defo have played wednesday. Robbie said he would be making changes as the league was priority so I was guessing sow would be one of those rested as he is pretty important to how we play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I thought the big man was poor on Sunday. Never won a header and couldn't hold the ball up in the first half. There was little to no movement from him as well. Getting sent off was a moment of insanity. The game was won. Not going to complain to much as he was brilliant against Rangers. I am looking forward to see how Keatings gets on tomorrow night. Apart from maybe Holt and Nicholson the entire team played well below par on Sunday. Winning games when the team isn't playing at their best will go a long way to us challenge for the tittle come May. Players like Sow will have far better games than he will poor ones that's for sure but if RN intends using him as a target man the ball must be played into feet. Now the rangers and h1b5 games are out the way we will start playing two up front which will defentaly help big Sow. Sow didn't have a bad game on Saturday, neither did anyone else imo. Sow isn't a target man like Kyle or Sutton, he's mobile and skillfull with the ball at his feet but to give H1b5 credit they pressed the game and didn't give playmakers like Nicholson, Holt,King , etc any time on the ball, which starved Sow of anything he could work with. As the game went on Hearts better technique and fitness showed, hence Nicholson's goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogjh Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Sow didn't have a bad game on Saturday, neither did anyone else imo. Sow isn't a target man like Kyle or Sutton, he's mobile and skillfull with the ball at his feet but to give H1b5 credit they pressed the game and didn't give playmakers like Nicholson, Holt,King , etc any time on the ball, which starved Sow of anything he could work with. As the game went on Hearts better technique and fitness showed, hence Nicholson's goal. The point being, we can play a hell of a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I hope Robbie reads him the riot act about his elbows, he could have been sent off for the first one against Nelson. Not acceptable to throw your elbows into anyones face. Get it stopped Robbie, and I bet Sow is now a marked man by the officials for the rest of the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camwil Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Sow didn't have a bad game on Saturday, neither did anyone else imo. Sow isn't a target man like Kyle or Sutton, he's mobile and skillfull with the ball at his feet but to give H1b5 credit they pressed the game and didn't give playmakers like Nicholson, Holt,King , etc any time on the ball, which starved Sow of anything he could work with. As the game went on Hearts better technique and fitness showed, hence Nicholson's goal. This 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I thought the big man was poor on Sunday. Never won a header and couldn't hold the ball up in the first half. There was little to no movement from him as well. Do not blame Sow, blame his teammates, As has been already mentioned Sow is not a target man. Nelson & Forster may not be the most mobile of defenders but they can attack a ball in the air especially if only Sow is up front.. The team missed Carrick's touches on Sunday. Anyway, with no Sow, the team will have to learn how to keep the ball on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I thought the big man was poor on Sunday. Never won a header and couldn't hold the ball up in the first half. There was little to no movement from him as well. Getting sent off was a moment of insanity. The game was won. Not going to complain to much as he was brilliant against Rangers. I am looking forward to see how Keatings gets on tomorrow night. Tbf he's not a target man & Robbie doesn't want him playing like one either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Seemed to be a fairly good target the week before, so I don't buy into that. Our new philosophy of keeping it on the deck, will be tested on small grounds like Tynecastle. Dimensions of the pitch, will mean we have to quickly move the ball aerially when pressed as we were on Sunday. To play through teams you need the full backs moving back to the goal line to receive, to open more space, they cant take it on the edge of the box. Robbie you need to watch Bayern. I also believe that the arms thrown out, not particularly the elbows, is a habit. His back is turned to Nelson and he is watching the ball, some hysteria, that he has went to do him. He has been extremely clumsy, which of course he cant be, as that will be a red card every week. Some good coaching needed, don't know who is going to volunteer to jump for the ball with him in training though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I hope Robbie reads him the riot act about his elbows, he could have been sent off for the first one against Nelson. Not acceptable to throw your elbows into anyones face. Get it stopped Robbie, and I bet Sow is now a marked man by the officials for the rest of the campaign. Like McCulloch of Sevco??? Oh ma sides! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I hope Robbie reads him the riot act about his elbows, he could have been sent off for the first one against Nelson. Not acceptable to throw your elbows into anyones face. Get it stopped Robbie, and I bet Sow is now a marked man by the officials for the rest of the campaign. Like McCoist will do with McCulloch and Stubbs will do with El Glue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldenjambo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I thought the big man was poor on Sunday. Never won a header and couldn't hold the ball up in the first half. There was little to no movement from him as well. Getting sent off was a moment of insanity. The game was won.Not going to complain to much as he was brilliant against Rangers. I am looking forward to see how Keatings gets on tomorrow night. Sending off could well have been frustration on the big guys behalf. Still looks promising, think hibs done their homework on him and had him shut down from the start considering he was our biggest threat before ko. Would like to see him coming in from wider angles as he seems to have quick feet for a big lad. All in all good position to be in and good problems to have all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Sorry if already discussed, does anyone know how long he is suspended for, 3 games or less? not sure your original question has been answered on this thread yet? What games does he miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Has the length of Sow's ban been officially announced, I can't see anything on the Hearts website. My understanding was that a straight red was an immediate one match ban but people seem to be assuming that it's two or three games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I thought violent conduct which is what an elbow would be classed as was a 3 game ban, but that goes against what Walker was given yesterday so maybe it is only a 2 game ban. It definitely won't just be a 1 game ban though. Can't imagine he'd have played tonight anyway so it's only Saturday's game that will be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I thought violent conduct which is what an elbow would be classed as was a 3 game ban, but that goes against what Walker was given yesterday so maybe it is only a 2 game ban. It definitely won't just be a 1 game ban though. Can't imagine he'd have played tonight anyway so it's only Saturday's game that will be a problem. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poggs Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 If the Sfa follow their own rules (yes I know!) then it will be classed as Serious foul play rather than violent conduct. This is because the incident occurred during a challenge for the ball. Yes it was an elbow, but it was during a challenge. If its serious foul play (which again it should) it will be either one or a two game ban, depending on how the ref writes the report and what action is taken. I would equate it to a two footed jumping tackle that got a straight red. I would expect a two game ban, but it might only be one. For violent conduct to be the case, the incident should occur during a stoppage in the game or off the ball, or in circumstances where the referee was of the opinion that there was no challenge for the ball but the player was simply using the ball as 'cover' for a violent assault (suarez bite is a prime example). So, I dont think Sow's elbow could be classed as violent conduct. Walkers attempted head butt would be violent conduct, for which the penalty is a minimum 2 game ban. Stevensons over the ball assault was serious foul play though as it was a challenge. Both got the 2 game ban option however! Clear as mud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 If the Sfa follow their own rules (yes I know!) then it will be classed as Serious foul play rather than violent conduct. This is because the incident occurred during a challenge for the ball. Yes it was an elbow, but it was during a challenge. If its serious foul play (which again it should) it will be either one or a two game ban, depending on how the ref writes the report and what action is taken. I would equate it to a two footed jumping tackle that got a straight red. I would expect a two game ban, but it might only be one. For violent conduct to be the case, the incident should occur during a stoppage in the game or off the ball, or in circumstances where the referee was of the opinion that there was no challenge for the ball but the player was simply using the ball as 'cover' for a violent assault (suarez bite is a prime example). So, I dont think Sow's elbow could be classed as violent conduct. Walkers attempted head butt would be violent conduct, for which the penalty is a minimum 2 game ban. Stevensons over the ball assault was serious foul play though as it was a challenge. Both got the 2 game ban option however! Clear as mud? When are the punishments normally confirmed officially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG ECK Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 So when is Sow free from suspension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busman Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I would imagine at the final whistle in kirkcaldy as this is the second of his ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 As far as I'm aware, both Walker and Sow were suspended for last night (Walker would have played), both are suspended for the Raith game, as is Robinson. All three will then be available for Stenhousemuir and Falkirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 No update yet from Fri: http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_document_libraries.cfm?page=2567 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG ECK Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Cheers guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 As far as I'm aware, both Walker and Sow were suspended for last night (Walker would have played), both are suspended for the Raith game, as is Robinson. All three will then be available for Stenhousemuir and Falkirk. Robinson can play against Raith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Robinson can play against Raith No, Chris, he is available after Raith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 No, Chris, he is available after Raith 3 game ban. Annan, huns, hibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 3 game ban. Annan, huns, hibs. 3 league games. Just wasn't selected for Annan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 3 league games. Just wasn't selected for Annan. So how come his suspension is league only and Walker and Sow served one of their games last night? Wish they'd just go back to how they did it before (and England still do) where domestic suspensions count for any domestic matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Just realised Sow and Walker would've been classed as violent conduct which covers all competitions. Ignore me, second point stands though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 So how come his suspension is league only and Walker and Sow served one of their games last night? Wish they'd just go back to how they did it before (and England still do) where domestic suspensions count for any domestic matches. Maybe, it is because it was 2 bookings for Robinson rather than a straight red for violent conduct or serious foul play so got added to league games? If it had been for vc/sfp in the friendly, maybe he would have been given an additional 2 match any competitive game ban to the existing 2 league game ban, meaning he would have missed Annan and Livingston. All maybe, but it does well to understand the rules. Maybe, Robinson should have headbutted a Dinamo (?) player before the referee got a chance to pull out the second yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh ah grantona Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Going by the scottish FA link above we should find out today seems they publish every friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Maybe, it is because it was 2 bookings for Robinson rather than a straight red for violent conduct or serious foul play so got added to league games? If it had been for vc/sfp in the friendly, maybe he would have been given an additional 2 match any competitive game ban to the existing 2 league game ban, meaning he would have missed Annan and Livingston. All maybe, but it does well to understand the rules. Maybe, Robinson should have headbutted a Dinamo (?) player before the referee got a chance to pull out the second yellow. It also does well to read the rest of the posts before jumping in like a smart ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I thought the big man was poor on Sunday. Never won a header and couldn't hold the ball up in the first half. There was little to no movement from him as well. Getting sent off was a moment of insanity. The game was won. Not going to complain to much as he was brilliant against Rangers. I am looking forward to see how Keatings gets on tomorrow night. Agree with all this tbh, he had one penetrating run down left 2 nd half where his pace was evident but Nelson had him in pocket all day in the air, quite dissapointing really and prob the reason elbows where getting used for "leverage" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Agree with all this tbh, he had one penetrating run down left 2 nd half where his pace was evident but Nelson had him in pocket all day in the air, quite dissapointing really and prob the reason elbows where getting used for "leverage" Its pretty clear that he doesn't want the ball in the air. We need to get the ball into his chest or feet to get the best out of him. I didn't think he help himself much against hibs as he was pretty static. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It also does well to read the rest of the posts before jumping in like a smart ***** Sorry, That post didn't come over as it was intended. I was using 'maybe' along the lines 'I personally have absolutely no idea, but here are some potential options'. And that line about rules was meant to be a tongue in cheek about the players and how ridiculous some of the rules are. i.e - my follow up that if Robinson, or any player knew the impact of various sending off offences, bizarrely, sometimes it's worth it to be sent off for the more serious offence. I was actually agreeing with your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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