2NaFish Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yeah I got that but it just wasn't for me. Spend the episode setting up an interesting antagonist who in the end is beaten by being flat out murdered in cold blood. Whilst Magnusson was undoubtedly arrogant we are shown that his personal safety is something he considers (security at his offices, bodyguard presence) so it didn't add up for me that he would throw that all away to meet up with two people who are out to get him. It's more a personal taste thing at this point though. The show seems to be moving away from relying on Sherlock's genius to solve interesting mysteries towards being more of a character drama so if that works for you then all power to you. I think sherlock's genius was still used to solve the mystery; it's just that the only solution was to murder the guy, but it needed to be done in a specific order. He would still be powerful enough to evade conventional justice so Sherlock kills him (it's not as if it was an off the cuff murder) - the more interesting thing is whether he did it to protect his friend and his new bride or the millions of other people at danger from this man. That's why i'd say it's more involving drama in the mystery. If it was just a case of solving a mystery each week it'd get very tiresome - in the same way breaking bad would've gotten tiresome if it was just jesse and mr white getting involved in schemes and heists each week. And he dispensed of the guards as he's arrogant. Once he's got someone by the short and curlies he owns them. To have guards there would've shown weakness. It also would've meant he couldnt have shoved the mind palace stuff in holmes' face as presumably he has stuff on the guards - so why would they work for him if it's shown he has nothing concrete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 you'll need to talk me through that as the first episode was watched by 9.2 million, with 3.5 million watching on catch up (which is a record btw). It dropped to JUST 8.84 million for the second episode. Given that it wasnt the most anticipated and discussed british tv return of the last two years, as was episode 1, i'd say that's a fair return. Havent been able to turn up figures for last night i'm afraid. Do you have a link? It doesnt say it all however. 96% of people watched the second, and given the phenomenal interest in the opener i'd say that was a pretty decent return. Seems very odd to focus on the 4% who watched the first episode live but didnt watch the second live. You dont care for it, but to extrapolate that out to the wider public is not borne out by the facts i'm afraid. edit. It dropped by 70, 000 viewers on sunday night to JUST 8.77million. Meaning a drop of less than 1%. You're talking nonsense. http://www.theguardi...-dancing-on-ice a tad knickers twisted over a tv prog. i'm not alone in thinking its not as good as it was, others on the thread agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a tad knickers twisted over a tv prog. i'm not alone in thinking its not as good as it was, others on the thread agree. You don't care for it, i already acknowledged it. You're welcome to that. But you've clearly made stuff up and then reached conclusions that are nonsense. If all you can offer in reply is that i've gone OTT when all i did was type "sherlock viewing figures" in to google, it's just an example of how out your depth you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 You don't care for it, i already acknowledged it. You're welcome to that. But you've clearly made stuff up and then reached conclusions that are nonsense. If all you can offer in reply is that i've gone OTT when all i did was type "sherlock viewing figures" in to google, it's just an example of how out your depth you are. Its the reaction that happens to a continually good tv series as it goes on, especially with it not being on tv for 2 years, they expect too much so when it does not meet that they write it off completely. Yes they have gone for more character development this season with some of the mystery side being sidelined but I thought it handled it well and thought it was a great series. And some great characters last night, Magnusson was fantastic for the horrible bully, Mary could have been over the top but I thought they handled her back story well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Its the reaction that happens to a continually good tv series as it goes on, especially with it not being on tv for 2 years, they expect too much so when it does not meet that they write it off completely. Yes they have gone for more character development this season with some of the mystery side being sidelined but I thought it handled it well and thought it was a great series. And some great characters last night, Magnusson was fantastic for the horrible bully, Mary could have been over the top but I thought they handled her back story well. last night's actually makes the second more palatable. viewed as a trio they sync together very well. You're right about expectations and people writing something off (a concept the Sherlock writers do very well to defuse with comedy in the beardy pathologist guy) but its a different thing to simply make up facts and present them as evidence for an opinion. And then get defensive about the right to hold an opinion when that wasn't challenged. people are allowed to be as stupid as the want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Given that the first episode was always going to be huge, i think to say that viewing figures have gone down doesnt say much. How much did the figures go down by? And if people didnt watch last night's episode, more full them. Anyway, realistic audience figures include catch up figures which allow a week. But congrats on being contrary. Last night was a school night so Casa Knightley wasn't in the viewing figures. I'd imagine similarly for others. More full us???? All caught up now, though. I can see people's point regarding frustration that he's not solving complex crimes but I've really enjoyed the stories and script from the last two episodes - nothing at all to put me off getting ready for the next series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 More full us???? Depends what you had for dinner....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha. Actually, i wasnt blown away by last night, other posters, in attempt to discredit my point by attacking me, made out as though i would defend the show at all costs, but like i said earlier i thought it was too emotional at times. I enjoy the relationship building but it got a little bit buddy movie at points. Still better than 99.9% of anything else though The viewing figures, not that they actually require explaining, will be skewed as the first episode was, as well as being highly anticipated, firmly in the holiday season so not affected as much by school nights and what not - a ten o'clock finish is too much for any family with kids and even at an hour and half is a bit much for lots of people when catch up so accessible, which is borne out by over a third watching on catch up. So an accurate picture needs the iplayer crowd. In a completely legal endeavour i also noted that last night's episode was in pirate bay's top 10 within an hour or two of it finishing last night, but criminals don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I was blown away last night. I thought it was bloody awesome. It is a bit irking that Sherlock seems to get outwitted by almost everyone this series though, but he isn't supposed to be a superhuman. This isn't Xmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirk_Jambo Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I was blown away last night. I thought it was bloody awesome. It is a bit irking that Sherlock seems to get outwitted by almost everyone this series though, but he isn't supposed to be a superhuman. This isn't Xmen. Did he get outwitted last night though? I have a suspicion that Sherlock figured out the situation after examining the glasses, the rest was just set up to get him close to the baddie. Perhaps the Moriarty thing was a Sherlock ruse as well, they would never let him disappear with mental Jim around. Hope not though. Moriarty back.next season would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Did he get outwitted last night though? I have a suspicion that Sherlock figured out the situation after examining the glasses, the rest was just set up to get him close to the baddie. Perhaps the Moriarty thing was a Sherlock ruse as well, they would never let him disappear with mental Jim around. Hope not though. Moriarty back.next season would be The main time he got outwitted was when he got shot in the chest and almost died! It also showed that John's gf/wife had been taking the piss out of him the last two episodes also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyJambo Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 He did make sure Watson, before getting in the helicopter to Magnusson, had his gun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Yeah I got that but it just wasn't for me. Spend the episode setting up an interesting antagonist who in the end is beaten by being flat out murdered in cold blood. Whilst Magnusson was undoubtedly arrogant we are shown that his personal safety is something he considers (security at his offices, bodyguard presence) so it didn't add up for me that he would throw that all away to meet up with two people who are out to get him. It's more a personal taste thing at this point though. The show seems to be moving away from relying on Sherlock's genius to solve interesting mysteries towards being more of a character drama so if that works for you then all power to you. Here's gatiss and moffatt on it Moffat: [i wrote a scene where] Sherlock and John go to him, and Magnussen?s decided to go for a swim so he just takes his clothes off. He gets into his Speedos. So he?s so bored of them, so uninterested, so unaware that they?re there, that he just behaves like that. Gatiss: It would be like a Roman emperor, where they just didn?t even acknowledge that the servants were there. They just put their hand out for something. Moffat: That sense of entitlement... It?s what brings him down of course, that it doesn?t occur to him that Sherlock Holmes might just shoot him. He hasn?t factored that in. He doesn?t think people can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Much prefer Elementary with Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Lui. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Fascinating documentry on BBC 4 charting the many portrayals of sherlock holmes http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03pzsd9/Timeshift_Series_13_How_to_be_Sherlock_Holmes_The_Many_Faces_of_a_Master_Detective/ Weird to think the is 3 versions of Holmes at the moment, Bendict Cumberbatch's, Johnny Lee Miller's and Robert Downey Jrs, all play it differently and all enjoyable to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The best thing about Sherlock ( wife watches it ) is Watson's clothes. Very understated but smart. That big Belstaff overcoat Holmes wears is a shocker, but works well as a modern take on the traditional Holmes cape. Whoever is in charge of the wardrobe on the show has done a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The best thing about Sherlock ( wife watches it ) is Watson's clothes. Very understated but smart. That big Belstaff overcoat Holmes wears is a shocker, but works well as a modern take on the traditional Holmes cape. Whoever is in charge of the wardrobe on the show has done a good job. Probably because Martin Freeman is Modtacular! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Hudson Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Empire Magazine have a very good podcast interview with Stephen Moffat and Mark Gatiss that's well worth a listen (about series 3) - http://www.empireonline.com/podcast/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The best thing about Sherlock ( wife watches it ) is Watson's clothes. Very understated but smart. That big Belstaff overcoat Holmes wears is a shocker, but works well as a modern take on the traditional Holmes cape. Whoever is in charge of the wardrobe on the show has done a good job. Spot on. Constantly admiring that man's wardrobe. Feck knows where he gets the cash for it all though, as it's all designer gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Spot on. Constantly admiring that man's wardrobe. Feck knows where he gets the cash for it all though, as it's all designer gear. He's a doctor with an army pension, boy'll be badword minted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Just watched the last episode and I thought it was brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Last week was terrible This week was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Amazing episode tonight. On a par with the Reichenbach falls one in season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 A fantastic episode. Thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish. Loved the bit in the "psychiatrists" house when Sherlock pre-emptied the arrival of Molly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 We watched the first episode of season 4 a few nights ago. Supremely disappointed to the point that I've considered not bothering with the rest. You're saying I should push on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 We watched the first episode of season 4 a few nights ago. Supremely disappointed to the point that I've considered not bothering with the rest. You're saying I should push on? 2nd episode was more like the Sherlock of the first 2 series' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 2nd episode was more like the Sherlock of the first 2 series' Cheers, we'll probably watch it in the next few nights. I loved the first two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Well this week's is a load o'shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Meh. That season was crap, hope that's the last one as it's totally lost it's way. Used to be slightly implausible but now it's just downright daft. Trying to be too clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Meh. That season was crap, hope that's the last one as it's totally lost it's way. Used to be slightly implausible but now it's just downright daft. Trying to be too clever. Much better season than the last one. But I do agree I think it has ran it's race as a show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinJambo Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 The best bit of this last episode was the final five minutes. I might go back and watch that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Quite enjoyed last episode. Not every show needs to be full of brain dead action and while everything was completely resolved, still left scope for future episodes, after a break of a year or so. Was good to see Mycroft and Sherlock showing frailties and being found to be more human than they would both normally like to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 That final episode was a shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Just watched the last episode. Thought it was the poorest episode of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'll stick to Elementary from now on. Sherlock has disappeared up its own arse. Pity Did love it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'll stick to Elementary from now on. Sherlock has disappeared up its own arse. Pity Did love it .Agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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