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[Magic Numbers]

I have long been thinking about this Rangers "newco" fiasco.  

If I was the chairman of a SFL team, I would be rubbing my hands in anticipation of watching my team play the Currants, the obvious cash windfalls to the lower leagues could mean a lot to the future of the game in this country.  At the moment the small clubs hope to catch Rangers in the Cups, but they would have them playing 2 home games per season, at least, even with a reduced support they would be likely to fill most of the grounds.  I actually would like to see the SFL clubs getting a say in the SPL ballot, particularly as they will be directly affected by a Hun Newco demotion and I am sure the £££s would mean more to the likes of Berwick Newco, Stenhomelessmuir, Albion Rovers etc.

Any thoughts?

[MessengerOfNade]

The SFL clubs will get a say, should Der Hun's application to the SPL be refused (and rightfully so) then they have to reapply for admission to the SFL Division 3.  I remember hearing that a 3rd division manager was saying they didn't want Pennyless FC in their league since it means basically no promotion that year for any other team.

[Peebo]

MessengerOfNade, on 20 June 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

The SFL clubs will get a say, should Der Hun's application to the SPL be refused (and rightfully so) then they have to reapply for admission to the SFL Division 3.  I remember hearing that a 3rd division manager was saying they didn't want Pennyless FC in their league since it means basically no promotion that year for any other team.

IF (and it's a big IF), the signing ban was to carry over and their current squad does do walking away, then they could conceivably toil in any division.

[MessengerOfNade]

Peebo, on 20 June 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

IF (and it's a big IF), the signing ban was to carry over and their current squad does do walking away, then they could conceivably toil in any division.

True as that is, they could stll sign over a bunch of their youngsters, seeing as the ban is only for players over 18.  But on top of that, Livingston lost plenty of players when they were demoted but they just marched straight back up.  Dump them in the 1st division, no promotion for a year, and keep the transfer embargo in place.  Then, next 2/3 years that the Newco is in the SPL, they get a 20-25 point deduction.

[DETTY29]

Old Rangers/team 12 can only be treated and punished in line with SFA/SPL/SFL rules relevant to any crimes they are found guilty of.

Not for personal gain of any other club.

Oh and directors and employees in line with the law of the land.

[DETTY29]

double post

Edited by DETTY29, 20 June 2012 - 04:47 AM.

[jamboozy]

pants on my head, on 20 June 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

I have long been thinking about this Rangers "newco" fiasco.  

If I was the chairman of a SFL team, I would be rubbing my hands in anticipation of watching my team play the Currants, the obvious cash windfalls to the lower leagues could mean a lot to the future of the game in this country.  At the moment the small clubs hope to catch Rangers in the Cups, but they would have them playing 2 home games per season, at least, even with a reduced support they would be likely to fill most of the grounds.  I actually would like to see the SFL clubs getting a say in the SPL ballot, particularly as they will be directly affected by a Hun Newco demotion and I am sure the £££s would mean more to the likes of Berwick Newco, Stenhomelessmuir, Albion Rovers etc.

Any thoughts?

Agree with what your saying here, it's a win-win situation imo, everybody happy (except the currants of course) as a side issue, it's east stirlingshire thats homeless not stenhousemuir they still play at ochilview with east s/shire sharing, just thought i'd say likes

[Chrambo]

Would fans be as interested though?  Chances are Rangers would be winning 3/4-0 ever week and have the league pretty much sown up by Xmas.  With nothing else to play for would fans turn up for games. Ontop of this a much higher policing cost when Rangers come to town.

[adeb74]

Who says rangers are going to get voted in to the sfl? Surely teams out with the league from east of Scotland and highland league have the Chance to apply to join? Just saying.....never happen but certainly a wee twist to the assumption!!!

[SUTOL]

I presume you are all talking about what will happen in 3 years time after they (the sevco club) can produce 3 years accounts to make them elligible to apply for league status.

[tian447]

No point debating it, as we all know all the clubs will bottle it, and Newco Club 12 FC will be playing in the SPL come August, with very little sanctions.

It's the way Scottish Football works.  We've made it this way over the years, and the cycle is now impossible to break.

[Gene Parmesan]

Four wee divisions is too much. I'd like to see two tiers of 18 and the regional feeders below.

More on topic, I can't wait to see how Albion cope with Rangers coming to town.

[DalryJambo]

What SHOULD happen is as follows;

Ranges are no more and no longer have a place in the league.

The Rangers don't meet the criteria for a SPL place and due to Old Rangers Financial and Administrative irregularities, and The Rangers obvious association to Rangers, shouldn't be granted favourable treatment to regain a SPL membership.

The team that finished Second the the SFL last season should be given the space vacated. This will create a space in the 1st division and that will be filled from the 2nd division and so on, until all the leagues have the correct number of teams in them, apart from the 3rd division.

The Rangers can then choose to join the SFL, which will be declined as The Rangers don't meet the SFL's criteria for submission, and don't deserve a favourable hearing as they breached so many rules in their former life.

The SFL will then ask all SFA member clubs outwith the current league structure if they want to fill the space in the 3rd division and the team with the best case will be offered the space.  If no team applies the SFL could fairly, and without accusation of corruption offer the place to The Rangers.  

If another team meets the criteria and joins the SFL The Rangers can then choose to join an amateur league in their area and when they meet the criteria for submission to the SFL ie 3 years of accounts, apply when a space becomes available.

The SFA could, in the meantime, restructure Scottish football in such a way as a Pyramid system is introduced allowing a suitable, honest mechanism for teams to move between Junior and Senior ranks based on on-field performance.

This could see The Ranges back in the Senior league structure within a 1 or 2 seasons and back in the top league in a minimum of 3-5 years, assuming the restructure doesn't reduce the number of leagues (which if done for legitimate reasons would be perfectly acceptable,)

This obviously won't happen.

[cocomac]

pants on my head, on 20 June 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

I have long been thinking about this Rangers "newco" fiasco.  

If I was the chairman of a SFL team, I would be rubbing my hands in anticipation of watching my team play the Currants, the obvious cash windfalls to the lower leagues could mean a lot to the future of the game in this country.  At the moment the small clubs hope to catch Rangers in the Cups, but they would have them playing 2 home games per season, at least, even with a reduced support they would be likely to fill most of the grounds.  I actually would like to see the SFL clubs getting a say in the SPL ballot, particularly as they will be directly affected by a Hun Newco demotion and I am sure the £££s would mean more to the likes of Berwick Newco, Stenhomelessmuir, Albion Rovers etc.

Any thoughts?

The SFL clubs especially in the lower divisions do not want them either. Crowd restrictions means that the cost of policing and stewarding games at home to much bigger clubs far outweighs the financial benefits.

[Teuchterjambo]

pants on my head, on 20 June 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

I have long been thinking about this Rangers "newco" fiasco.  

If I was the chairman of a SFL team, I would be rubbing my hands in anticipation of watching my team play the Currants, the obvious cash windfalls to the lower leagues could mean a lot to the future of the game in this country.  At the moment the small clubs hope to catch Rangers in the Cups, but they would have them playing 2 home games per season, at least, even with a reduced support they would be likely to fill most of the grounds.  I actually would like to see the SFL clubs getting a say in the SPL ballot, particularly as they will be directly affected by a Hun Newco demotion and I am sure the £££s would mean more to the likes of Berwick Newco, Stenhomelessmuir, Albion Rovers etc.

Any thoughts?

Just don't see this level of benefits - each team in Division 3 next year get 2 home games max against them - firstly these teams don't have big enough grounds to make mega bucks, secondly it is a one season only job.



Same the year after in Division 2 and the year after that in Division 1 - the majority of clubs will get the benefit of 2 games in 3 years, hardly significant.



Throw into the pot that the assumed year on year rise through the divisions by the Huns actually denies the other teams a promotion spot and therefore their legitimate ambition and I don't think this scenario will be of much benefit to any of the lower league teams.

[jambofaefife]

DalryJambo, on 20 June 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

What SHOULD happen is as follows;

Ranges are no more and no longer have a place in the league.

The Rangers don't meet the criteria for a SPL place and due to Old Rangers Financial and Administrative irregularities, and The Rangers obvious association to Rangers, shouldn't be granted favourable treatment to regain a SPL membership.

The team that finished Second the the SFL last season should be given the space vacated. This will create a space in the 1st division and that will be filled from the 2nd division and so on, until all the leagues have the correct number of teams in them, apart from the 3rd division.

The Rangers can then choose to join the SFL, which will be declined as The Rangers don't meet the SFL's criteria for submission, and don't deserve a favourable hearing as they breached so many rules in their former life.

The SFL will then ask all SFA member clubs outwith the current league structure if they want to fill the space in the 3rd division and the team with the best case will be offered the space.  If no team applies the SFL could fairly, and without accusation of corruption offer the place to The Rangers.  

If another team meets the criteria and joins the SFL The Rangers can then choose to join an amateur league in their area and when they meet the criteria for submission to the SFL ie 3 years of accounts, apply when a space becomes available.

The SFA could, in the meantime, restructure Scottish football in such a way as a Pyramid system is introduced allowing a suitable, honest mechanism for teams to move between Junior and Senior ranks based on on-field performance.

This could see The Ranges back in the Senior league structure within a 1 or 2 seasons and back in the top league in a minimum of 3-5 years, assuming the restructure doesn't reduce the number of leagues (which if done for legitimate reasons would be perfectly acceptable,)

This obviously won't happen.

If only

[jambofaefife]

cocomac, on 20 June 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

The SFL clubs especially in the lower divisions do not want them either. Crowd restrictions means that the cost of policing and stewarding games at home to much bigger clubs far outweighs the financial benefits.

A lot of wee teams do not have segregation, which works in the civilised world however I do not know if Govans finest could understand the concept of behaving

[Hugh Phamism]

The best scenario for all non hun fans is that Rangers just cease to exist, a la Third Lanark & Gretna.

End off.........

[cocomac]

Or they could go play in Northern Ireland. This would impove the league there, guarantee them a place in Europe, save their fans on travelling costs, improve their carbon footprint, save thousands of fans from listening to bile every time they play against them and the attendances may actually improve as real football fans come back to a game which is Rangers free. Even better - Celtic can then join the Southern Irish league and ditto to the above. I am convinced the game in Scotland would be a million times better without them both.

[Agent Double O Jambo]

jambofaefife, on 20 June 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

A lot of wee teams do not have segregation, which works in the civilised world however I do not know if Govans finest could understand the concept of behaving

The SFA could threaten them, before the start of the season, with cancellation of their membership and kick them out if they cause trouble in and around the grounds which may cause them to behave themselves although we all know how much they like their acts of defiance.

[Fozzyonthefence]

cocomac, on 20 June 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

The SFL clubs especially in the lower divisions do not want them either. Crowd restrictions means that the cost of policing and stewarding games at home to much bigger clubs far outweighs the financial benefits.

Correct.  I know an East Stirling fan (didn't realise they were now playing st Stenhousemuir until an earlier post) - he was saying their capacity is 800, so there would only be a few hundred Sevco fans but, as you say, with far greater policing and stewarding costs plus the town gets subjected to the knuckledraggers for the day.

[Magic Numbers]

jamboozy, on 20 June 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

Agree with what your saying here, it's a win-win situation imo, everybody happy (except the currants of course) as a side issue, it's east stirlingshire thats homeless not stenhousemuir they still play at ochilview with east s/shire sharing, just thought i'd say likes

Haha, didn't actually realise that, the homeless thing was actually a wee dig at Der Hun, as was the Berwick Newco!