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#1 i8hibsh

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:15 PM

Everytime I heard this as a child it just never made sense to me.

I totally get it now by the way.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:20 PM

Well thank **** you'll never breed.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:27 PM

View PostI.J, on 27 February 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Well thank **** you'll never breed.

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Na I like kids I just can't stand how little discipline they have now.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:41 PM

Without wishing to sound like a Daily Mail reader, I blame the parents.  It's very rare that you see a parent publicly tell their kid to stop doing something, no matter how annoying they are being.

Edited by A Boy Named Crow, 27 February 2012 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:46 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Na I like kids I just can't stand how little discipline they have now.


The unspoken truth...now spoken.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:51 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Everytime I heard this as a child it just never made sense to me.

I totally get it now by the way.

Why should they be seen and not heard?

Maybe in certain circumstances - but for the most part, why shut them up if they want to talk? They're kids ffs.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:55 PM

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:55 PM

Many wise words are spoken in jest, but they don’t compare with the number of stupid words spoken in earnest.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:25 PM

My children are well disciplined, live in a happy household and are a joy to be around, mostly.

Don't measure everyone by the 'cannae be arsed' school of parenting you have witnessed today. Some of us are doing a great job raising well behaved, responsible and delightful children.

Edited by Craigieboy, 27 February 2012 - 06:26 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:27 PM

I'd rather not see them either tbh. "Children should be quiet and stay out of sight." Yes, I like that much better.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:29 PM

Hated that saying as a kid, the amount of sh*te adults talk and i've to be quiet!

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:39 PM

View PostCraigieboy, on 27 February 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

My children are well disciplined, live in a happy household and are a joy to be around, mostly.

Don't measure everyone by the 'cannae be arsed' school of parenting you have witnessed today. Some of us are doing a great job raising well behaved, responsible and delightful children.

How do you know?  You are on JKB and Hibs.net most of the day  :thumbsup:

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:43 PM

A great exampl was a night in my gym last week (Virgin Active). Had just finished a hard slog at work surrounded by people I hate all day so I went for a workout.

Had a hard slog in the gym too so went through for a jacuzzi and steam.It must've been 7pm and there were 5 or so kids in there screaming at the top of their voice without pausing for breath.

Now the accoustics in a pool meant that the screams were like drills penetrating your skull.

It did not cross their parents minds that it was not a public baths and everyone around them pays a lot of money to relax in there.

Edited by i8hibsh, 27 February 2012 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:46 PM

View PostMr Loverman, on 27 February 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

How do you know?  You are on JKB and Hibs.net most of the day  :thumbsup:

I'm just all that.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:48 PM

Maybe you could get some inflatable kids to supplement your inflatable girlfriend?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:54 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

A great exampl was a night in my gym last week (Virgin Active). Had just finished a hard slog at work surrounded by people I hate all day so I went for a workout.

Had a hard slog in the gym too so went through for a jacuzzi and steam.It must've been 7pm and there were 5 or so kids in there screaming at the top of their voice without pausing for breath.

Now the accoustics in a pool meant that the screams were like drills penetrating your skull.

It did not cross their parents minds that it was not a public baths and everyone around them pays a lot of money to relax in there.

I've said it before, I'm sure there is a physiological, hormonal or whatever reaction in a person when they have children - they just can't see how annoying they are being.  It's probably a survival of the species type thing.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

A great exampl was a night in my gym last week (Virgin Active). Had just finished a hard slog at work surrounded by people I hate all day so I went for a workout.

Had a hard slog in the gym too so went through for a jacuzzi and steam.It must've been 7pm and there were 5 or so kids in there screaming at the top of their voice without pausing for breath.

Now the accoustics in a pool meant that the screams were like drills penetrating your skull.

It did not cross their parents minds that it was not a public baths and everyone around them pays a lot of money to relax in there.

Kids in having fun at swimming pool shocker!  You're right, it's not a public baths - which means the parents also pay for their kids to use the pool.

Don't get me wrong, kids need to learn manners and good vs bad behavior but they also should be allowed to be kids.  I take my boys to many places and sometimes they do something 'wrong' and they are spoken to but i want them to have fun and laugh and play - not sit in a corner being quiet because it might piss someone off if they're making noise.  We take our boys out to dinner every week so they are used to it, and receive compliments on how well behaved they are - but they're not quiet.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:10 PM

View PostA Boy Named Crow, on 27 February 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Without wishing to sound like a Daily Mail reader, I blame the parents.  It's very rare that you see a parent publicly tell their kid to stop doing something, no matter how annoying they are being.

Very rare? Nonsense.

As for 'seen and not heard', what a load of p1sh. Great for raising North Koreans, but not much else.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:50 PM

View PostCraig Gordons Gloves, on 27 February 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Kids in having fun at swimming pool shocker!  You're right, it's not a public baths - which means the parents also pay for their kids to use the pool.

Don't get me wrong, kids need to learn manners and good vs bad behavior but they also should be allowed to be kids.  I take my boys to many places and sometimes they do something 'wrong' and they are spoken to but i want them to have fun and laugh and play - not sit in a corner being quiet because it might piss someone off if they're making noise.  We take our boys out to dinner every week so they are used to it, and receive compliments on how well behaved they are - but they're not quiet.

They were having fun but everyone around them weren't. How is that fair?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:57 PM

Have you ever thought of just banjoing the kids dad?
Or would you rather just wait and come on kickback and bitch about it?



sorry, wrong time, wrong place, wrong thread. :whistling:

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:23 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

They were having fun but everyone around them weren't. How is that fair?

to use another line that you probably heard during your childhood (i know i did)

life isn't fair.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:31 PM

View PostCraig Gordons Gloves, on 27 February 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

to use another line that you probably heard during your childhood (i know i did)

life isn't fair.

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I was brought up on the following saying....

E.g

"Can I have a comic please"

"i'll comic you in a minute"

"I want a Star Wars figure"

"i'll Star Wars figure you"

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:35 PM

Did that saying not go out along with beating women?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:38 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

I was brought up on the following saying....

E.g

"Can I have a comic please"

"i'll comic you in a minute"

"I want a Star Wars figure"

"i'll Star Wars figure you"

Or "Do you think money grows on trees"?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:44 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

I was brought up on the following saying....

E.g

"Can I have a comic please"

"i'll comic you in a minute"

"I want a Star Wars figure"

"i'll Star Wars figure you"

"Can I get a blow up girlfriend"

"I'll blow up girlfriend you"

"Can I steal the neighbours daughters pants from the line"

"I'll steal the neighbours daughters pants from the line you"

"Too late, I already have them..............." :ninja:

FTFY

#26 Craig Gordons Gloves

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:06 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

I was brought up on the following saying....

E.g

"Can I have a comic please"

"i'll comic you in a minute"

"I want a Star Wars figure"

"i'll Star Wars figure you"

dear me, and you're complaining about the manners of today's kids?  It's "please may i have...." not "can i have"

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:17 PM

Kids will be kids. Let them enjoy themselves I say. As long as they don't take things too far.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

You've got to be a special type of miserable sod to get that worked up about bairns having a bit of fun in a pool.



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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:47 AM

View Postbikerjambo, on 27 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

Or "Do you think money grows on trees"?

:mellow:

"I'll money grows on trees you in a minute"  :whistling:

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:49 AM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

A great exampl was a night in my gym last week (Virgin Active). Had just finished a hard slog at work surrounded by people I hate all day so I went for a workout.

Had a hard slog in the gym too so went through for a jacuzzi and steam.It must've been 7pm and there were 5 or so kids in there screaming at the top of their voice without pausing for breath.

Now the accoustics in a pool meant that the screams were like drills penetrating your skull.

It did not cross their parents minds that it was not a public baths and everyone around them pays a lot of money to relax in there.


So this is a problem with the parents and not the children for not being sociably responsible.

Your post kinda outlines that too.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:50 AM

Good lord.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:52 AM

Isn't this thread an online version of what you are annoyed about the kids doing?

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:00 AM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

They were having fun but everyone around them weren't. How is that fair?

Have you ever been to an Edinburgh derby?  :thumbsup:

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:27 PM

I thought this was another thread about your new 21 year old "girlfriend"... :rolleyes:

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:02 PM

My kids are well behaved and disciplined but even the best meaning parents in the world will have to deal with the occasional meltdown in public from their offspring. We were all kids once, so allowances need to be made for the next generation.


Generally, I take my kids out to places where they can be themselves and be with other kids; swimming classes, friends houses/gardens, play parks, sports, the beach and lots of other out-doors stuff.


I would avoid places where people without kids, or don't like them tend to be; especially if they're really bitter old folk.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:13 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Na I like kids I just can't stand how little discipline they have now.


I have two boys, now grown up and at uni, never caused a problem, same for their pals, probably where you live or the people you hang around. :thumbsup:

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:41 PM

View PostA Boy Named Crow, on 27 February 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

I've said it before, I'm sure there is a physiological, hormonal or whatever reaction in a person when they have children - they just can't see how annoying they are being.  It's probably a survival of the species type thing.

Similarly, there seems to be a correlation between not liking children and being an insufferable jeb-end.

Which is handy.




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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:23 PM

I dont doubt there's very good parents out there and some well behaved kids but the way you hear some kids talk to adults these days and some of the stuff that comes out there mouth is unreal.

Have some respect ffs, I'd have got a leathering for some of the stuff I've heard. Bairns on the bus hame,some of them could honestly do with a slap.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:18 PM

View PostJ.C 7, on 28 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

...I'd have got a leathering for some of the stuff I've heard....

Which, of course, would be wonderful parenting.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:25 PM

View PostCreepy Lurker, on 28 February 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Which, of course, would be wonderful parenting.

Never done me any harm mate!

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:32 PM

View PostJ.C 7, on 28 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

I dont doubt there's very good parents out there...I'd have got a leathering...

To be honest, if that's genuinely your idea of good parenting then I reckon things have probably improved.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:42 PM

View PostCreepy Lurker, on 28 February 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

To be honest, if that's genuinely your idea of good parenting then I reckon things have probably improved.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:47 PM

View PostCreepy Lurker, on 28 February 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

To be honest, if that's genuinely your idea of good parenting then I reckon things have probably improved.

Never once said it was my idea of good parenting. I stated a fact from my childhood.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:45 AM

View PostCreepy Lurker, on 28 February 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Similarly, there seems to be a correlation between not liking children and being an insufferable jeb-end.

Which is handy.

My beef is with ignorant parents. As so many have said here, kids are kids  - they don't belong everywhere though, and that's the parents' call.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:34 PM

View PostJ.C 7, on 28 February 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

Never once said it was my idea of good parenting. I stated a fact from my childhood.

So you think your parents raised you badly?  That's pretty ungrateful, J.C 7.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:57 PM

Kids are sound, mostly.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:55 PM

View PostCreepy Lurker, on 29 February 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

So you think your parents raised you badly?  That's pretty ungrateful, J.C 7.

No.

They done a great job. I consider myself a very reasonable individual who knows right from wrong and had a great upbringing.

Times have changed,what was once acceptable may not be now. I was never battered or anything like that.

I wouldnt see the problem in kids gettin 'a smack' within reason. For me we live in a bit of a molly coddle society these days.

Overall with kids, I blame the parents,especially yours.

;D

Edited by J.C 7, 29 February 2012 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:27 PM

View Posti8hibsh, on 27 February 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

They were having fun but everyone around them weren't. How is that fair?
Strongly suspect that kids were having fun, the rest of the population failed to give a shit, and i8hibsh was getting outraged again.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:04 PM

View PostJ.C 7, on 29 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

I wouldnt see the problem in kids gettin 'a smack' within reason. For me we live in a bit of a molly coddle society these days.

What do you think Diana would make of it?

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:06 PM

View PostJ.C 7, on 29 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

No.

They done a great job. I consider myself a very reasonable individual who knows right from wrong and had a great upbringing.

Times have changed,what was once acceptable may not be now. I was never battered or anything like that.

I wouldnt see the problem in kids gettin 'a smack' within reason. For me we live in a bit of a molly coddle society these days.

Overall with kids, I blame the parents,especially yours.

;D

In my experience, smacking your child shows a lack of basic parentic skills.

Don't get me wrong, I've done it on occasion. But there are many other ways to discipline your kids without physically assaulting them.

With our third kid we have started to use other methods. I wish we had used these mehods with our first and second rather than smacking (or hand tapping).

Physical assault is not good corrective discipline.